Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Who exactly is this disgruntled player ? If it's Rashford, Maguire or Shaw then they have to worry about their form themselves.

Paul Scholes came out at the weekend and said he's heard direct from Lingard the dressing room is a disaster.

McTominay in his post match interview on Saturday said more than once there's issues with the players.

Why should they have to worry about their form? Over the past 10 years players have been allowed to get new contracts, even when they've not been playing or have played badly.

Every player in that dressing room must be starting from the position that, if United finish 8th next season, it will be Ten Hag who gets the blame. That's what has happened over the past decade. So why would they bust a gut to change? Don't like this manager? Get him sacked, try the next one. Roy Keane has been proven right with time.

Unless Man Utd 100% back Ten Hag he's a hostage to the dressing room. These latest ESPN briefings make me worry that Ten Hag won't even get half the backing Ajax gave him. The second the players scent a bit of weakness in his position they'll pounce like the jackals they are. I fear for the guy.
 
Paul Scholes came out at the weekend and said he's heard direct from Lingard the dressing room is a disaster.

McTominay in his post match interview on Saturday said more than once there's issues with the players.

Why should they have to worry about their form? Over the past 10 years players have been allowed to get new contracts, even when they've not been playing or have played badly.

Every player in that dressing room must be starting from the position that, if United finish 8th next season, it will be Ten Hag who gets the blame. That's what has happened over the past decade. So why would they bust a gut to change? Don't like this manager? Get him sacked, try the next one. Roy Keane has been proven right with time.

Unless Man Utd 100% back Ten Hag he's a hostage to the dressing room. These latest ESPN briefings make me worry that Ten Hag won't even get half the backing Ajax gave him. The second the players scent a bit of weakness in his position they'll pounce like the jackals they are. I fear for the guy.

This is exactly what will happen. Nothing has changed much, a bit of reshuffling and leaking to the media, but ultimately, it will be more of the same as soon as we have a period of struggle.
 
Paul Scholes came out at the weekend and said he's heard direct from Lingard the dressing room is a disaster.

McTominay in his post match interview on Saturday said more than once there's issues with the players.

Why should they have to worry about their form? Over the past 10 years players have been allowed to get new contracts, even when they've not been playing or have played badly.

Every player in that dressing room must be starting from the position that, if United finish 8th next season, it will be Ten Hag who gets the blame. That's what has happened over the past decade. So why would they bust a gut to change? Don't like this manager? Get him sacked, try the next one. Roy Keane has been proven right with time.

Unless Man Utd 100% back Ten Hag he's a hostage to the dressing room. These latest ESPN briefings make me worry that Ten Hag won't even get half the backing Ajax gave him. The second the players scent a bit of weakness in his position they'll pounce like the jackals they are. I fear for the guy.
I think fans should be allowed to take rotten fruit and eggs into the ground to lob at under performing players. Like they used to do at theatres if the acts were rubbish. That would be entertaining if nothing else.
 
After which the Board will then tell Ten Hag, unless we get £20m-30m for each you have to keep them. Then the cycle of leaks and sour grapes from disgruntled players will start up again.

Nothing has changed.

ETH will walk if that's the case. He surely mentioned in his interviews that the team needs a rebuild and most of the players suck and they need to go.
 
Who exactly is this disgruntled player ? If it's Rashford, Maguire or Shaw then they have to worry about their form themselves.
If you listen to their interviews they don't sound like they believe their form is an issue.
 
Getting a manager is important, but getting a manager who feels the pains of losing and gains of wining. A manager who starts a march like he is already a goal down.
what united needs is the likes of Guardiola, Klop, Tuchel and Xavi. a coach whose ideology will be to always have possession of the ball every minute. such managers are few but they get the job done.
lets not be quick to celebrate.
 
I find that funny that some players a questioning if he has the personality to deal with the squad. when it’s much more likely he’ll simply ship out any troublemakers before it even becomes an issue.
 
Another journalist using the same exact words. Another person has been talking again.
 
Think Ronaldo and Varane could produce a few.
Probably also the kind of players who know that shit-stirring gets you nowhere, but that you should work hard and go with the program to be successful. I.e., people a coach can build on.
 
Probably also the kind of players who know that shit-stirring gets you nowhere, but that you should work hard and go with the program to be successful. I.e., people a coach can build on.
The club have created this atmosphere by paying players well above their talents.
 
ETH should hand Ronaldo the captaincy and build his team around Ronaldo for the next 2 years. It would be easier in than building a team around his unproven team-mates. Ronaldo will command instant respect and his performances in a dysfunctional team have been very good. You can't be the 3rd highest scorer in the league as an average player, even in a fully functional team.

I mean what kind of leadership qualities have Maguire/Varane/De Gea/Rashford/Fred displayed in the last 2-3 years? How many of them are NT captains? Which one of them has ever been one of the world's undisputed top-15 players even once in their career? Let them focus solely on playing and let Ronaldo deal with the burden of captaincy.
 
Getting a manager is important, but getting a manager who feels the pains of losing and gains of wining. A manager who starts a march like he is already a goal down.
what united needs is the likes of Guardiola, Klop, Tuchel and Xavi. a coach whose ideology will be to always have possession of the ball every minute. such managers are few but they get the job done.
lets not be quick to celebrate
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What the hell is this post about?


They literally went and got that manager you just laid out,

Xavi a total nobody in coaching and management at the moment :lol:
 
Getting a manager is important, but getting a manager who feels the pains of losing and gains of wining. A manager who starts a march like he is already a goal down.
what united needs is the likes of Guardiola, Klop, Tuchel and Xavi. a coach whose ideology will be to always have possession of the ball every minute. such managers are few but they get the job done.
lets not be quick to celebrate.
Is this the same Xavi that has just led his Barca team to three straight home defeats in a row, for only the second time in their history?

Sounds like a winner.
 


Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

Especially when he is discussing "captaincy" with Maguire.
 
1. He seems great with (most) players. He is generally not too great at press conferences, but it's also pretty clearly because he doesn't care about those. At times (and more often after more experience) he has been praised for some of the interviews, though. His interviews are rather transparent about the tactical plan, but reserved about the more team spirit, atmosphere, and other extra information sides of things.

2. He is not known as a subs-man, more of a consistency and I guess accommodate/patient type of trainer. If someone disrespects the team he isn't afraid to make a change, but he won't drop someone after a mistake or even a string of them if he believes in the tactical plan and player. He's really a builder rather than a spontaneous combustion every game type manager.

3. He will have a clear direction with some slight adjustments depending on the opposition. The team's own play and dominance are most important, but let's say you play against a slower full-back one weekend, he'll be sure to make use of that. It's probably not as set in stone which formation he'll play. At Utrecht we saw a lot of 4-4-2 diamond type stuff, but at Ajax the stadium will be against you from the start if you don't play something that is (presented as) 4-3-3, since it's part of the club culture and the way the squad was already built. But to be honest, many of his earlier tactics were presented as a 4-3-3 'with a 10', while often that 10 played as a shadow striker rather than a true midfielder, with the wingers being less of the old dutch pacy crossing winger types, too. If the mancunians want a 4-4-2 it wouldn't be surprising if he just wrote down someone like Sancho as a striker that drops deep and have more forward winger types on the sides of the midfield if he thought the 4-3-3 would fit the squad better, so to speak.
Same goes for 3 at the back. He'll consider it, but it'd have to fit the squad. Now when Alvarez plays it's already very much of a 3/5 at the back, but instead of the middle one being the deepest, he is a bit more forward, but less so than many other anchor men (imo). But with someone like Varane or Maguire there, it'd look different. And if you don't have technical defenders like Martinez and Timber next to them, he'd probably rather play a technical player close to defense than add an extra defender just because you play against a strong double striker formation. So, in short, he'll be the consistent type with the occasional surprise up his sleeve to hurt the opponent where possible. Also don't be surprised to see a player put in a weird position because Ten Hag will believe it'll work in the long run. Like Mazraoui at RB rather than CM or Frenkie at CB or DM/CM rather than AM. He could practically play someone like Pogba at CB if he thinks it'll be a great fit to his natural positioning play and the team's overall structure.

Hope this answers some of what you were looking for.
That's quite an elaborate answer, well written too. Thanks for the information mate.
 
Think Ronaldo and Varane could produce a few.

I feel our season went to shit after these signings, not that these two are lacking in quality. But, I have a feeling they ruffled few feathers (especially Ronaldo) when it came to demanding for higher standards. I believe a month after his signing, Ronaldo spoke about younger generation having things come too easily for them. Or how, they don't come up to him for advice.

It was also the interview where he spoke about Top 3 not being good enough for us, as we should be aiming for PL. And, spoke about players and squad needing to believe in themselves. Season after season playing for Top 4 will do that to a club and players, they are settled into that mentality.
 
I feel our season went to shit after these signings, not that these two are lacking in quality. But, I have a feeling they ruffled few feathers (especially Ronaldo) when it came to demanding for higher standards. I believe a month after his signing, Ronaldo spoke about younger generation having things come too easily for them. Or how, they don't come up to him for advice.

It was also the interview where he spoke about Top 3 not being good enough for us, as we should be aiming for PL. And, spoke about players and squad needing to believe in themselves. Season after season playing for Top 4 will do that to a club and players, they are settled into that mentality.
Maybe it has brought things to a head, instead of just rolling along the mediocre road. Something needed to change.
 
Trust me, if you give him everything that he wants, he will build United perfectly and in 3-4 years United will come back to UCL contenders . He is the perfect coach in term of building system, although he needs to improve some details like defensive schemes, tactical flexibility( his big weakness) or managing stars etc.
Thanks.
I look forward to seeing us give you a decent match and not just roll over.
 


Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

Especially when he is discussing "captaincy" with Maguire.

This sounds like classical ETH. I really hope it is true and not some made up gossip in the papers.

I really hope he will use this as a pretext to take the captaincy off Maguire without damaging his already fragile ego. This might alleviate the pressure on him and who knows, maybe he can be a decent footballer again.

I feel our season went to shit after these signings, not that these two are lacking in quality. But, I have a feeling they ruffled few feathers (especially Ronaldo) when it came to demanding for higher standards. I believe a month after his signing, Ronaldo spoke about younger generation having things come too easily for them. Or how, they don't come up to him for advice.

It was also the interview where he spoke about Top 3 not being good enough for us, as we should be aiming for PL. And, spoke about players and squad needing to believe in themselves. Season after season playing for Top 4 will do that to a club and players, they are settled into that mentality.
I think Ronaldo was mentioning Rashford, Greenwood and maybe AWB in that interview. The thing that stood out to me is that he basically said that those youngsters were contempt with their level and refused to listen to his advice that would take their game to the next level.

I remember him getting a lot of flack for it at the time, but it was proven that those 2 actually had attitude problems.

Looking at his relationship with our other youngsters, you can clearly see that they get along and they look up to him. The double siuu with Elanga, the shirt and encouragement to the Argentine academy lad, etc

The good thing though is that finally we have a manager that will not settle with Top3 and he has a core group of players that will back him up and things are also looking promising on the footballing side of the fence.
 
Another 'exclusive' from the Mirror :rolleyes:


This is the thing. I really don't believe David McDonnell has made it up. Someone close to the players has given him this info. You don't hear stories like these about Liverpool and City and it's not because the press aren't interested.
 
ETH will walk if that's the case. He surely mentioned in his interviews that the team needs a rebuild and most of the players suck and they need to go.

He won't walk. Anybody who believes that a manager will resign and walk away from a huge pay-out if he is sacked instead knows very little about how life works.
Ole would've been the ideal candidate to resign, but even he stayed till he was sacked.
 
I think Ronaldo was mentioning Rashford, Greenwood and maybe AWB in that interview. The thing that stood out to me is that he basically said that those youngsters were contempt with their level and refused to listen to his advice that would take their game to the next level.

I remember him getting a lot of flack for it at the time, but it was proven that those 2 actually had attitude problems.

Looking at his relationship with our other youngsters, you can clearly see that they get along and they look up to him. The double siuu with Elanga, the shirt and encouragement to the Argentine academy lad, etc

The good thing though is that finally we have a manager that will not settle with Top3 and he has a core group of players that will back him up and things are also looking promising on the footballing side of the fence.
He definitely took Elanga under his wing.
It says a lot about Rashford if he's not taking advice. He seem to think he's made it and sometimes acts like that on the pitch, along with being in atrocious form.
 
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This is the thing. I really don't believe David McDonnell has made it up. Someone close to the players has given him this info. You don't hear stories like these about Liverpool and City and it's not because the press aren't interested.
Agreed. And it’s been the same all season, really. Any time a negative story like this has come out people are saying “ahh journalists making shite up” etc. I get it, it’s a profession where they are bending truths to get clicks and generate buzz, but like you say, these stories are often not baseless. In fact they’ve probably been proven true for the most part (that the dressing room doesn’t like each other etc)…
 
He won't walk. Anybody who believes that a manager will resign and walk away from a huge pay-out if he is sacked instead knows very little about how life works.
Ole would've been the ideal candidate to resign, but even he stayed till he was sacked.
Hes from a rich family and its already been said he isnt signing just for the £9 mill a year. Apparently he was given every assurance he wanted, to not fail through lack of support before he signed.
There was a lot of information about this from different sources. Couple of links below
Link 1 Link 2
 
He won't walk. Anybody who believes that a manager will resign and walk away from a huge pay-out if he is sacked instead knows very little about how life works.
Ole would've been the ideal candidate to resign, but even he stayed till he was sacked.

Why would Ole have resigned? It was his dream job, he wasn't going to get a bigger job than United.

ETH is a no nonsense manager, his stock is high, he can get another big job and he wouldn't have taken this job if he did not get the reassurances required.
 
Its already started. I wait for the fans to turn on the next manager whilst backing the players while they downtool and the board looks on.

These fans also share the blame for the circus we've become, blindly backing the players while they throw manager after manager under the bus.

 
Its already started. I wait for the fans to turn on the next manager whilst backing the players while they downtool and the board looks on.

These fans also share the blame for the circus we've become, blindly backing the players while they throw manager after manager under the bus.



Half that dressing room won't be there next season so who cares what they think.
 
Half that dressing room won't be there next season so who cares what they think.
The dressing room runs has had the authority instead of the manager for a number of years. The same dressing room also enjoys unquestioned continuous support from a section of the fanbase.
 
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