Agree with this
we've only kept him as none of the available replacements wanted the job.
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we've only kept him as none of the available replacements wanted the job.
Going by the views here and perhaps INEOS too, seems like that’d be considered acceptable as long as there’s no “better” candidate available in the market.
I think this season just gets a pass as it was a year of the club sale etc. if we did it 2 years in a row then that’s unacceptable.
Standards should stay high but yeh this last season was probably the strangest we’ve had.
None of this screams, he’s our first pick, he’s clearly been kept out of necessity and not out of choice.
Plan A, B, C didn’t work over reported financial differences, Plan D Erik.
Feels like he’s a stop gap until Ashworth is fully in post and their preferred candidate(s) become free, once Ten Hag tanks downwards again.
He has the ability physically, it’s a shame he hasn’t been able to kick into gear.
There's a thread on the front page about a possible player transfer to either Liverpool, Madrid or United. I'm thinking that if Liverpool and Madrid are interested, United is out of the running.
Same thing may be true of managers. It's been so many years since Utd has looked competent, would top level managers want to come? And risk tanking their reputation.
On the other hand it'd be a brilliant time to come in - 30 year low position, on verge of a new era, be the manager to lead us back to glory.
Yeah, but...the problem is that the club itself is a known mess. Utd wound up in 8th place, presumably they'd get an 8th place quality manager and 8th place quality players if they add anyone. (or the players will be looking at money rather than success, not a good thing.)
Plus, your comment is how fans think. Professionals would be looking at the quality of the recruiting, the medical, etc.
He wanted Casemiro and De Jong to play together. It is in an interview.
Let’s also not forget Cashmere was awesome in his first season.
He truly was the goat that year
What justifies offering a new contract in light of poor performance?
A trophy? Isn't that what football is all about at the end of the day.
So Fergie should have been sacked for finishing 11th, 2nd, 12th, 13th, 6th then by that logic.
This is why it makes no sense to look solely at league position in a vacuum, whether you're ETH in or ETH out. That's the point I was responding to and the point I was making.
Ron did better in the league in his first 5 seasons than Fergie. So if we were in 1986 right now you'd be arguing for Ron to stay.
There is no logic to what you're saying, along with most other things in this thread. These things aren't comparable.
They are not but the club has had 5 permanent managers since Sir Alex and the 4 before ETH have not even made it through their 3rd season. Sacking every manager after 2 seasons because of an underachieving season has not worked. It is difficult for any manager to keep a continuous improvement and build a team if they only get 2 seasons and are sacked.
Sometimes a team goes back first before moving forward. Sir Alex himself said to back the manager and give him time. It takes more than 2 seasons to get things right.
I wanted Ten Hag to stay, I agree that he should be given another season, given the circumstances around last season. I was simply saying that the comparisons and gotcha logic that poster was trying to use made zero sense.
I wasn't criticising your post, I was just pointing out that the club needs to give a manager more than 2 years and give them a good set up to try and build something.
At what cost? Would you be satisfied with finishing 12th in the league for an FA Cup win? Your perspective seems biased. The idealization of managers at this club needs to end.
Would those of you who want Ten Hag to stay be happy to keep him if you walked in on him satisfying your wife? She climaxes for the first time ever (you thought it was a myth) and orders a takeaway that night.
If the possibility of getting top 4 was out of the window, then 6th and an FA Cup win is not all that different to 12th and an FA Cup win as they both grant the same things for the most part.
There is a difference of £12m quid between finishing 6th and finishing 12th which with ffp can have a huge affect on what you can spend.
For me it now boils down to this:
The managerial situation has been decided, like it or not;
Close this thread and support the club and team you claim to support;
Let's look for positives rather than whataboutery.
The managerial situation has been decided, like it or not;
Close this thread and support the club and team you claim to support;
Let's look for positives rather than whataboutery.
It’s zinger after zinger with you isn’t it?
This level of binary thinking does my head in.
Would you be happy with Ten Hag if he won the league, but came 8th in the Championship? Standards are a disgrace at this club.
You try to open the door but there's too much jizz on the knob...
My question is about the transfer budget, sir.
Casemiro was still the wrong signing. At best we were going to get 3-4 good seasons out of him and were not going to be competitive near the top anyway.
Reply of the year so far.
That was simply down to the incompetency of those in charge of transfers, we finished the season knowing we desperately needed a DM and a Striker but somehow started the next one without signing either and as a result had to sign Casemiro who wasnt one of Eriks preferred choices.
We're the only "big club" in Europe who wouldn't have sacked this guy after the season he just had.
Agreed, personally I think it’s the lack of real top quality managers available that saved him. I wanted him sacked after the performances we’ showed last season as they simply weren’t good enough BUT he’s our manager still and it’s a new season so I’ll back him and hope the performances improve.
I just disagree that "Fergie did badly in his first five years so we should give ETH more time regardless of anything else" is good logic.
I'm fine with the decision INEOS made as I'm hopeful until proven otherwise that they've done a proper assessment on things that we aren't privy to. But I highly doubt that their sole reasoning was "Fergie did bad then good though" like some people on this thread keep reducing their reasoning to. The decision should be based on a whole bunch of factors involving various measures of progression and the wider environment. People who keep bringing up Fergie's early years as a reason to keep ETH are doing exactly as you say - comparing things that are pointless to compare.
That's all I'm saying and you seem to either disagree or have missed my point.
100% agree...we have now accepted mediocrity as the norm
We’re also the only big club in Europe that have been intricately and purposefully destroyed from within by its owners for over a decade. This has infected every area of the club and it makes those kind of side by side comparisons a little problematic imo
Fergie's early years aren't being brought up as evidence that Ten Hag will come good. They're brought up as an example of someone who struggled early and figured things out later. The fact that Ten Hag struggled this season is no guarantee he'll continue to struggle given more time and support.
Plus the fact that he kept going and managed to keep most of the squad motivated through the season despite a raft of injuries, frequent player drama, constant speculation about his role under the new ownership and a bafflingly hostile media environment is a point in his favour, IMO. Mourinho, Conte and Tuchel tend to create drama bombs to extract themselves from these kinds of situations early instead of toughing them out.
If we finish in the top 3 next season, are you going to admit you were wrong and Ineos made the correct decision?
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