Spouting a lot of shit here.
What did I do/say during the protests that has so annoyed you?
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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What did I do/say during the protests that has so annoyed you?
No one, of course. And a manager shouldn't even pick signings like ETH did.
It's just a little concerning that he looked at him and saw a United player there. Because ultimately you do expect some sound judgement regarding players and their abilities as he does pick up the lineup, etc.
Sometimes you get things wrong, reminding everyone that years ago Atletico paid 120m for Joao Felix.
I have been a supporter of Ten Hag and have argued for him to stay even before we won the FA Cup. However, it would be absolutely ridiculous to give him a new contract which doesn't have some sort of sacking clause which protects the clubs finances. Ten Hag not getting sacked is backing enough. However, if we're still performing in the same way come December, what rationale would be there to keep him on? He has 12 months on his deal and the club has an option to extend that by another 12 months. As the management, how can you justify giving him another contract when he's done quite poorly, barely escaped the sack and still has another 24 months?
We sacked Jose and Ole the same year they were given contract extensions. Let's not find more avenues to burn money.
Okay so now we talking about one of our biggest flops? What does that mean? top? top 3?
We have had loads of flops.
Di Maria
Pogba
Lukaku
Matic
Fred
Alexis
Maguire
AWB
Donny
Sancho
Antony
Take your pick
We're just going around in circles now. Your argument seems to be "we've had big flops in the past, so we can just hand-wave away ETH's questionable judgment when it comes to signings".
Bit harsh to call Maguire and Fred flops btw, and I say that as a huge Fred "hater". Poor value for money spent, sure.
No we cant but there is a consistent theme. Manchester United football club do not have the ability to recruit players.
Its just as simple as that. Every player that has ever come to Manutd has left for a lesser club for free or basic fee. No player has enhanced his reputation at Manutd.
So in theory, all of our signings have been flops.
‘emotional?’ no they took a while to make the decision was obviously very considered
‘What the fans wanted?’ if they read this forum that wouldn’t be the case
First of all, sincere congratulations to @BenitoSTARR , @VP89 , @NLunited, @astracrazy, not to forget @Sarni of course, and all the other posters who kept the faith and fought the manager's corner even though it seemed a ludicrous stance to take at times. I still kind of think it is, and I find INEOS sticking with him quite surprising and rather risky. But then again everything is risky, and what the feck do I know 
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I simply hope very, very much that I've been completely wrong all this time and I will certainly try my best to regain the faith in Ten Hag that you managed to never lose.
.I simply hope very, very much that I've been completely wrong all this time and I will certainly try my best to regain the faith in Ten Hag that you managed to never lose.
Ha @Sarni wasnt pro ten hag thoughFirst of all, sincere congratulations to @BenitoSTARR , @VP89 , @NLunited, @astracrazy, not to forget @Sarni of course, and all the other posters who kept the faith and fought the manager's corner even though it seemed a ludicrous stance to take at times. I still kind of think it is, and I find INEOS sticking with him quite surprising and rather risky. But then again everything is risky, and what the feck do I know
I simply hope very, very much that I've been completely wrong all this time and I will certainly try my best to regain the faith in Ten Hag that you managed to never lose.
Lets just enjoy next season now.
I like ten hag and I glad he is staying but I think first dodgy spell sir tax exile will not hesitate to sack him hope to shit they are still not casting doe eyes at Southgate
Longer than you can probably give any one manager in truth.
I’ve made my peace with ten hag
Even though I think it’s an incredibly dumb decision based on a single game rather than the obvious blunders and failures throughout the year. And we’ll be looking for a new manager guaranteed 2 months into the season.
I mean we bought Mount just to sit on the bench that alone is a sackable offence imo.
My guy wasn’t able to figure out that 2 number 10s wouldn’t work who could have predicted that?!
I guess I’m not totally over it.
Even though I think it’s an incredibly dumb decision based on a single game rather than the obvious blunders and failures throughout the year. And we’ll be looking for a new manager guaranteed 2 months into the season.
I mean we bought Mount just to sit on the bench that alone is a sackable offence imo.
My guy wasn’t able to figure out that 2 number 10s wouldn’t work who could have predicted that?!
I guess I’m not totally over it.
Don't say that, I was always part of the crew.
You won't trick us!
What? All this time @Sarni has been the most stringent and consistent of Ten Hag apologists, ready to think things through to the end.
I think our entire midfield mess would have been prevented by just signing De Jong when ETH requested him. Instead we spent millions on Casemiro and Mount, both of whom don't look like they are going to have much of a role going forward for different reasons (Casemiro's decline, Mount's positional fit).
I love when people moan for sake of it.Mount was injured this season just to let you know.
You are never going to find another Ferguson, he's a once in a lifetime manager. No amount of time will transform just any manager into one of the best ever.
Wenger and Pep both won the title in their second seasons in England I believe. Klopp and Simone both won European trophies within 2-3 years.
Ferguson is a bit of an outlier in getting so much time to win a title. Granted he couldn't compete in Europe between 86-90. Though he did win the CWC in his 4th season and first season back in Europe.
Injuries and a stupid system with no midfield mostly explain last season.
Thankfully we can now focus our entire summer on re-trying to sign De Jong.
I think we can't afford him anymore.
He wasn’t injured for 38 games
He sat on the bench a lot
Im sure someone can find those stats
i’m too lazy
Pep took over a PL winning team.
Klopp took over in October 2015 and won the Cl in June 2019.
I can tell, was a very lazy post.
I can overlook a lot of it because he’s dealt with many shitshows. For Greenwood and Antony to have criminal issues and Rashford and Sancho to fall into complete malaises is wild, especially given how quickly so much of it unravelled. I wouldn’t expect a manager to have a good solution to that problem.
But the system he went in with this year was ludicrous. To have Casemiro as the one man midfield was disastrous. Fair enough to test a wild idea but to stick to it for so long in spite of such clear feedback is impossible for me to get by.
I have zero trust in him at this point.
In the league Mount was injured for 24 out of the 38 games. His longest spell without getting injured was 6 games.
Aye mate can’t help someone blind who didn’t spot Mount warming the bench bazillion times this season.
how many matches did he spent on the bench in all comps?
Its gotta be more than 14 games (which is still a sizeable amount)
If we went by your logic, every manager would be sacked because alot of managers including Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Anchelotti buy players that they have on their bench.
That is the reason football is a squad game not 11 man sport.
Cant help someone who thinks every player that gets signed plays 100% of the games, even if they are injured for 70% of the season
Surely we aren't still relying on Rashford for consistent production...
He was fit majority of the year anyways.
How many matches was he match fit for? I'm sure you'll be moaning next that he was rushed back if he was back straight into the starting lineup.
Mount was bought for the first team
And was discarded because the tactics didn’t work
There’s a difference between buying players for squad depth and buying someone to be your star number 7
I’m sure you know that but you’re being obtuse on purpose
No but they were most definitely here in the ''we're just a cup winning team'' period you are referring to below. In fact they are primarily the reason why Manchester United has been relegated to a mere ''cup winning team''.
The answer is 13 games on the bench in all competitions, 12 of which he came on as a sub. He started 8 games in all competitions and was injured for 26. So he was injured for more than half of the season which basically justifies summarizing it as injured all the time.
Im sure you understand what injuries do? They stop a player from playing football.
When players come from a long injury lay off, they usually also spend 3/4 games on the bench to get match fit.
Im obtuse then what are you being?
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mason-mount/leistungsdaten/spieler/346483
He was in the starting eleven...
1 in the CL
5 in the league
0 FA Cup
Sure mate. You’re right I give up
Mount signing was a masterclass actually and he totally fits into the team.
True but they hadn't won the title in 2 years and he drastically changed the squad. Between 2014 and 2018 I doubt they had many of the same players left.
Well yeah that's what I said.
He took over midway through the 15-16 season and won a European cup in 2019. That's 3 years.I assume most people are like myself and don't count taking over mid-season with no transfer window or Pre-season as a full season.
True but they hadn't won the title in 2 years and he drastically changed the squad. Between 2014 and 2018 I doubt they had many of the same players left.
Well yeah that's what I said.
I assume most people are like myself and don't count taking over mid-season with no transfer window or Pre-season as a full season.
Fair enough but also, I think everyone on here would agree, if a manager like Pep / Klopp was available, we would all be on board sacking Ten Hag for them.
There are barely any managers with that pedigree available at the moment.
I doubt this is true, it shows INEOS dixnt really want to keep Erik though if it is
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