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I doubt this is true, it shows INEOS dixnt really want to keep Erik though if it is
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Who is he?I doubt this is true, it shows INEOS dixnt really want to keep Erik though if it is
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I think takes like this stink too much of reading into every article. They didn't chose ETH so they chose to take the time to review everybody's opinion of him within the club, analyze the problems and pro's associated with his employment and then interview others to benchmark him against. All we know is that given all of this they felt most positive that the correct solution was to stay with him and commit to him which leads to 1 of 2 things, the alternatives weren't as good (Or worth the money) or there are bigger problems behind the scenes he has been working with and they don't believe another manager can come in and immediately do better.I mean it's very clear keeping ETH wasn't their desire.
RDZ turning us down to go to Marseille? Yeah okay sure...
Most of these managers don't reach those heights again either. Klopp hasn't won league or CL for Liverpool in 4 seasons. Wenger didn't win the league in over a decade.You are never going to find another Ferguson, he's a once in a lifetime manager. No amount of time will transform just any manager into one of the best ever.
Wenger and Pep both won the title in their second seasons in England I believe. Klopp and Simone both won European trophies within 2-3 years.
Fair, I don't think there are any managers of that calibre outside of those two bar Carlo. We need to now hope Ten Hag can get to that level or start scouting now for the next Pep or Klopp to hire in a couple of years as a back-up.Fair enough but also, I think everyone on here would agree, if a manager like Pep / Klopp was available, we would all be on board sacking Ten Hag for them.
There are barely any managers with that pedigree available at the moment.
Very true indeed. It's why I think Ferguson was the best and why I rate Ancelotti so highly. Both adapted to the game as time moved on and found ways to continue to be successful. As you say most managers hit a successful peak at a club and then struggle to maintain or replicate it.Most of these managers don't reach those heights again either. Klopp hasn't won league or CL for Liverpool in 4 seasons. Wenger didn't win the league in over a decade.
Simeone's first years were his best, winning 3 titles from 2011 to 2014. He's won 2 titles in the following decade.
He wasn't a sure thing, I agree but he was someone with a good pedigree. I mean I have seen fans on here crying for Poch and Di Zerbi who have achieved nothing really.Fair, I don't think there are any managers of that calibre outside of those two bar Carlo. We need to now hope Ten Hag can get to that level or start scouting now for the next Pep or Klopp to hire in a couple of years as a back-up.
And Klopp as good as he is, I don't think was a sure thing for Liverpool circa 2015. There was no guarantee he would do what he ended up doing at Liverpool when they appointed him.
My congratulations were not sarcastic though.Stop with sarcasm il explode
Unless they can negotiate a better exit clause - along the lines of ‘the remainder of your contractual period or 1 year maxAye, that's the risk I mentioned.
And who will the next one be? Pep or Klopp will never come here, most of the big European clubs are going to be in the same position trying to find the next ‘Super Coach’ fairly soon. Alonso needs to do it again to prove it wasn’t a Ranieri season. Tuchel was, imo, a short step behind the top tier - but at some point lots of teams are going to have to take a gamble.Fair enough but also, I think everyone on here would agree, if a manager like Pep / Klopp was available, we would all be on board sacking Ten Hag for them.
There are barely any managers with that pedigree available at the moment.
This is why we have installed a footballing structure being paid millions to go find the right person? Pep and Klopp are not an option, we have to find another one.Unless they can negotiate a better exit clause - along the lines of ‘the remainder of your contractual period or 1
And who will the next one be? Pep or Klopp will never come here, most of the big European clubs are going to be in the same position trying to find the next ‘Super Coach’ fairly soon. Alonso needs to do it again to prove it wasn’t a Ranieri season. Tuchel was, imo, a short step behind the top tier - but at some point lots of teams are going to have to take a gamble.
Do people really believe this? Man I should pay for that blue tick and start spouting shit like that guy. Eventually some of it will stick with so many gullible people.I doubt this is true, it shows INEOS dixnt really want to keep Erik though if it is
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Tuchel I can believe but RDZ would have jumped at the chance.It's very obvious Tuchel and maybe RdZ turned Ineos down for reasons other than money. And ETH was the fall back, not the first choice or probably even the second.
Probably doubting their planned structure/confidence in what was pitched to them/ they'd have anything like the recruitment needed.
I dunno I'd say RdZ is even more likely than Tuchel to not accept a situation where he's judged as a manager but has reduced control.Tuchel I can believe but RDZ would have jumped at the chance.
I think it's more likely we simply backed out of prior decisions post FA cup. The rest was just managing the optics.
What part you disagree with? Domestic cups are a nice bonus, they are not a measure of where you are as a team. Playing cohesive football, not getting outrun in midfield in every game would be a far more positive look for the future than winning a cup competition. Even if you finish 4th or 5th. Domestic cups don't really come into picture when it comes to us being back as legitimate challengers.FFS, really?
You could well be right, no one thought Bayern would have to resort to Kompany but that happened so feck knows.I dunno I'd say RdZ is even more likely than Tuchel to not accept a situation where he's judged as a manager but has reduced control.
Especially when the guy supposed to be in control of squad building isn't in position yet and might not be a full fecking year. I think that plus the complexities of the United job plus the scrutiny would put loads of managers off. And I bet it put McKenna off along with Tuchel and RdZ.
Shows that keeping Erik was a last resort and that Ineos want to run the club like a dictatorship with the manager being a yes man essentially, which has no doubt put coaches like Tuchel and De Zerbi off.I doubt this is true, it shows INEOS dixnt really want to keep Erik though if it is
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Ezza BuzzezaI bet he got a good buzz in after the FA cup win.
And once again points us to the only manager who would happily let his pal Ashworth control the squad for him.Shows that keeping Erik was a last resort and that Ineos want to run the club like a dictatorship with the manager being a yes man essentially, which has no doubt put coaches like Tuchel and De Zerbi off.
You think the club didn't try? They wasted all summer chasing him after we kept hearing again and again he didn't want to leave Barcelona.I think our entire midfield mess would have been prevented by just signing De Jong when ETH requested him. Instead we spent millions on Casemiro and Mount, both of whom don't look like they are going to have much of a role going forward for different reasons (Casemiro's decline, Mount's positional fit).
That's what the reports mention as a point of contention for purported candidates, that we'll be a bit skint this summer until we get the outgoings startedThe only way I'd see Tuchel and De Zerbi rejecting us is if they've been told this summer we're not going to spend.
I guess we'll see soon enough if that's true or not. If we haven't done any business till August I'd believe that.That's what the reports mention as a point of contention for purported candidates, that we'll be a bit skint this summer until we get the outgoings started
Why would they do that with Tuchel thoughThe Athletic's reporting on the Tuchel and De Zerbi talks suggested it was more United that pulled the plug and backed out.
He doesn’t pay for players. There’s people who do that that can happily tell him no. That’s beyond our budget. Surely?If you think he just handed over a list and wasn’t involved in the final price you’re nuts
Okay. We’re on different sides of the fanbase and that’s ok.What false narrative? And how is it 'mine'? I don't work for, negotiate any signings as I am sure is the case with you.
What amazes (and concerns me..) is the fact that it seems that you ignore the fact that he identified and signed and consistently picked Antony.
This is a dreadful player, has no business at Man Utd. But again, let's recall what our manager stated only a few months ago:
'..Antony, I've backed him for a long time. I know his abilities, he has great abilities. When he plays how I know from the past, he's unstoppable. No defender can stop him because he's one of the quickest players in the first 10 yards..'
So yes, give the man a new contract!
I don't care whether he decides the final price. The point is this was (another) ETH marquee signing.
But let's ignore that. We won the FA Cup. And we beat City.
City, Arsenal, Liverpool barely find us of relevance. And can you blame them? We are now a club that debates whether to keep Erik Ten Hag, or wait for Gareth Southgate.
Some may find all of that acceptable, but I do not. All.about opinions.
How can you assert something is "obvious" and then put a "maybe" in there?It's very obvious Tuchel and maybe RdZ turned Ineos down for reasons other than money. And ETH was the fall back, not the first choice or probably even the second.
Probably doubting their planned structure/confidence in what was pitched to them/ they'd have anything like the recruitment needed.
You sound gutted.Plenty of questions around this.
For those adamant staying was right would you take us finishing say 12th and winning a cup and keeping him next summer?
A few years ago missing top 4 was a guarantee of the sack, with or without a cup. Now 8th keeps you there.
Yes injuries etc etc but what if we have injuries to the likes of Bruno, Garnacho and Hojlund next year? Is 12th or 13th OK? How far do you make this allowance?
Or is it solely about who is available? Even though there only seem to be about 3 names everyone thinks is a guarantee of success, with 2 being impossibilities due to being links with rivals and one being an aging Italian who barely did much with Everton?
I'm not gutted we've kept him by the way, just interested in the above.
Not a fan of Pochettino myself, didn't want him here 2 years ago and still don't.He wasn't a sure thing, I agree but he was someone with a good pedigree. I mean I have seen fans on here crying for Poch and Di Zerbi who have achieved nothing really.
Klopp had shown he took Mainz to a different level, he took 13th place Dortmund and built them, 3 years later with 2 titles in a row against Bayern Munich, followed by 2 second place finishes, CL final and won the German cup v Bayern.
Not like Poch, finishing 2nd or CL final, he had shown he can make a team play good football and win.
The reason why Alonso is that highly rated too, he has broken the mould in Germany by winning the league from Bayern's domination.
Reports have said that pretty much every summer for the last 3-4 years. Then we end up spending £150-250m.That's what the reports mention as a point of contention for purported candidates, that we'll be a bit skint this summer until we get the outgoings started
There were a number of executives who had input into the transfer strategy under the Glazers and the chief one lasted for 10 years and 4 managers despite awful performance. The reason they managed to do that was because they were very adept at blaming the manager for all of the bad transfers. The manager doesn't negotiate the fee or the player's wages, so if you go and get his preferred targets for really stupid prices you can shift 100% of the blame to him if they don't pan out. Sure, the results will be awful, but you get to keep your job, which is all you care about because you're a scum sucking investment banker and the salary and bonuses are excellent because the club remains a commercial juggernaut.He doesn’t pay for players. There’s people who do that that can happily tell him no. That’s beyond our budget. Surely?
A bit skint, jeez we are truly paying a heavy price for spending around £150m on Casemiro and AntonyThat's what the reports mention as a point of contention for purported candidates, that we'll be a bit skint this summer until we get the outgoings started
Its quite clear from all the reports voming out about other managers turning us down that we've only kept him as none of the available replacements wanted the job.Plenty of questions around this.
For those adamant staying was right would you take us finishing say 12th and winning a cup and keeping him next summer?
A few years ago missing top 4 was a guarantee of the sack, with or without a cup. Now 8th keeps you there.
Yes injuries etc etc but what if we have injuries to the likes of Bruno, Garnacho and Hojlund next year? Is 12th or 13th OK? How far do you make this allowance?
Or is it solely about who is available? Even though there only seem to be about 3 names everyone thinks is a guarantee of success, with 2 being impossibilities due to being links with rivals and one being an aging Italian who barely did much with Everton?
I'm not gutted we've kept him by the way, just interested in the above.