What plan? Having the worse season in the last 30 yrs? GD-1? Record number of losses? Having a horrendous midfield set up? Enlighten us please.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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It's not impossible that they keep ETH but it now looks so bad for him that no serious player would come, because they would rightly assume he's a dead man walking with a maximum of a year left.
However the stadium redevelopment throws a shadow over everything INEOS does. Realistically they can only increase club revenue by increasing their gate receipts, by building a hundred thousand seater stadium. The cost of that is going to put us in Highbury Wengerland for a decade, where the main objective is to finish fourth as cheaply as possible. Bringing in statement managers then sacking them will not be an especially smart way of doing that. There's an argument that given time and the right infrastructure ETH can outperform his budget.
I'm not saying you're wrong , it's a different position , but if the dan ashworth move is anything to go buy , this corporate management doesn't share that sentiment .
Injuries are systematically not mentioned in posts by Ten Hag outters.
Our worst injuries were in the middle of the season, not the end, you are being untruthful there.
I know this bothers you, so I’m going to say it again: two cups in two years (while trying to play attacking pro-active football promoting youth into the team).
Oh boy did we. Cheaty really gave it to us. So did Pool this season. They used us like punching bags.As the quote goes "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth", and boy did we get punched
Help Hag build a good squad and he will deliver more trophies. The evidence is right in yur faces.
None of the people saying Arteta had entertaining tactics watched more than 1 or 2 Arsenal matches during his first few seasons. Arsenal supporters were saying all the same things about Arteta that United supporters are saying about Ten Hag now. The simple fact is that the vast majority of fans have no idea who close or far any club is from clicking tactically, they're just basing everything on the results. In their minds if the club wins matches then the tactics are sound and positive, if the results are poor it's because the tactics are poor and the manager is stupid. If the results end up improving later on, the tactics in matches prior are retroactively vindicated.
Managing a top club is incredibly difficult and unless the squad is truly world class there's really no way to get the requisite experience besides doing the job for a while. This problem is even bigger at United with little to no support or expertise at all from the C-suites. ETH seems to have gone through the painful early learning process and a lot of bad luck mixed in and come out the other side with 2 trophies and a squad that's still working hard for him (save for a few players who have always struggled to stay motivated). He's brought as many quality young players into the first team in 2 years as all the previous post-SAF managers had in 9, plus the 21 year old striker who's going to be very good for us for a while. He's managed to build up players who most had completely written off (Maguire, Dalot, Wan-Bissaka).
I'm interested to see what ETH can do in a with a full squad, a reasonable pre-season schedule, a normal injury load and a limit of one drama bomb from an over paid diva forward.
And yet our worst form was in the beginning of the season. 5 wins 5 defeats by the end of October
Case in point. No use arguing on this level.
Those who feel Ten Hag needs to be replaced are bothered by the cup wins, yep, that's it..
Just to be clear, you speak for a minority of 20% who want him out, a little less arrogant would be nice.Case in point. No use arguing on this level.
Those who feel Ten Hag needs to be replaced are bothered by the cup wins, yep, that's it..
I'm sorry but it's almost certain that this isn't the case. Clarity over the future of ETH is critical when it comes to new signings and departures. We may not come out with a statement, but the decision will be made clear.
The current silence shows indecision, which is a bit worrying at this point.
Claiming ten hag out as a cu lt is a special take given how detached from reality some of the ten hag in types seem to be
I dont know why we're still engaging TenHagEra's redcafe account in this thread.
Having a balanced view is being detached from reality? Was Arteta shitt? Ferguson??
I am going to guess your opinion won't be very balanced
I’m thinking this is heading towards Southgate coming in. The season doesn’t kick off until August and TH is under contract, so they don’t need to say anything. I think this as I was expecting a decision by Friday. That has been more than enough time to bring in any manager out of work. Chelsea did it quickly. I hope I am 100% wrong, but can’t think of any other explanation.
Is it that high according to a social media poll somewhere?
Believing that anyone can become SAF just by given time is not a 'balanced' view.
Yes I’ve seen several fan polls between 80 and 90 after the FA cup win.
Who said that? That is bonkers.
Yep. Linking Ten Hag to his name is indeed bonkers.
Weak.
Ten Hag In Mafia Be Like:
He won us two cups
We had injuries
He didn’t get De Jong and Kane
He didn’t negotiate the Antony fee
His tactics are great, but the players can’t execute them properly
His tactics are great, but the players are downing tools
His tactics are great, but the players won’t run for him
It’s the club, we have no structure
It’s the club, we have no scouting or recruitment
The Ten Hag Out Club Be Like:
Results and performances.
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Two cups in two years (plus another final) is a solid achievement under Ten Hag, without a doubt.
The bolded part is odd to mention as a positive. United have not been particularly successful at playing attacking football. They've scored 58 and 57 league goals in Ten Hag's two league campaigns. Last season they were 6th on NPxG and this season they were 12th.
Perforrmances more than results. If the performances were coherent the results would be acceptable.
Yeah I’m going to stay out of here, everyone is mental
Fixed it.
Fans are fickle and have short memories, that is not a good metric at all.
two cups, one hag
No way would I support him even for 8 secs let alone the 8 years he has been managing England. Don't know how INEOS can ever win the fans over after such a horrendous appointment
Surprised there wasn't one somewhere that was 100%.
I hope there is clarity on his future soon.
Well it was made up because he was not sacked after the final!
I am only referring to the article in the Guardian and nothing else and I cannot make it any clearer to you.
Have a nice day.
Will this take longer than the takeover itself?
Shaw: “I felt something against Aston Villa and came off at half-time. I didn’t train the whole week and when the scan came back, there wasn’t too much there."
“I then trained the day before the game (at Luton) - and if the manager asks me to play, I’m never going to say ‘no.’ But I shouldn’t have played. It’s kind of everyone’s fault. Partly my fault, partly the medical staff. I think everyone would admit that.”
Not a good look when our biggest injury problem is blaming the manager partly and the second biggest we know got a calf injury after being rushed back from the knee injury.
“I then trained the day before the game (at Luton) - and if the manager asks me to play, I’m never going to say ‘no.’ But I shouldn’t have played. It’s kind of everyone’s fault. Partly my fault, partly the medical staff. I think everyone would admit that.”
Not a good look when our biggest injury problem is blaming the manager partly and the second biggest we know got a calf injury after being rushed back from the knee injury.
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You should write the names of the people giving the quotes when you write a quote. Save the less patient of us from having to use our brains to work out who said what. I don't come on here to use my brain.
A failure backs another failure. News at 7.
Big day today
Like I said, an incredibly bad faith argument. Injuries not being mentioned in every single post doesn't mean they aren't being taken into account.
At the start of the season the expectations were that we'd improve further, finish comfortably in the top four, reduce the gap between us and the top few teams, get through the CL group and go as far as we could until we faced one of the top teams, and move towards a playstyle that will stand us in good stead in the future.
Due to the injuries, nobody realistically had those expectations anymore. Those expectations dropped to being something along the lines of finishing in the top 6, get through the easy CL group (any further depended on what opposition we got), and still move towards a playstyle that will stand us in good stead in the future, albeit with it being made harder by the injuries. That was all completely doable.
Instead we finished 8th with a negative goal difference (being very lucky to finish that highly), got regularly outplayed by teams that had just as many if not more injuries at the time as well as teams in the relegation zone, finished last in an easy CL group, and had a playstyle all season that didn't make sense and got ripped apart by basically every team that even attempted to come at us, that will need to be changed dramatically again for any future success anyway.
You and many others seem to use 'injuries' as an excuse to completely rip up any and all expectations. Refusing to acknowledge that, even with the injuries, there were certain expectations that should and could have been met.
As for the injuries being worse in the middle of the season...as bad as our defensive injuries were all season, we always had at least two centrebacks fit. It was only the last few weeks of the season that it got so bad that we had to play Casemiro back there, and at the same time Bruno and Rashford also missed some of those games after being available all season previously (plus the usuals like Mount and Martial of course). That was worse than we'd had at any other point.
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Well said. Definitely graduation goggles being used by so many. Funny thing was our FA cup was a pretty lucky run too. Then apparently beating a city side that played one of their worse games I've seen them play is enough to overrule everything else
Lots of managerial merry go arounds will happen post Euro.. so probably they waiting for southgate getting fired.
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