Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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You quite obviously have no idea about what I believe. So stick to what I said and nothing else.

When someone says that they can't believe you actually think something it is generally them pointing to the ludicrous nature of the thought. It's an extremely common turn of phrase.
 
When someone says that they can't believe you actually think something it is generally them pointing to the ludicrous nature of the thought. It's an extremely common turn of phrase.

The thought that you made up, that's the issue. You imagined a ludicrous thought, as you put it, and attributed to me.
 
According to Jacobs latest interview on that awful fan channel it's Blanc pushing for him to stay and Brailsford playing devil's advocate.

If true then it'd be Wilcox and Ashworth who want him out.
 
I really do feel we're just delaying the inevitable by not sacking him. The only way he turns things around is with 5 very good signings and let's be honest that's not happening. Better to sack him now than be manager-less in January.
 
I am lost for words if Ineos dont sack him.

Let emotions take control over rational thinking.
 
We’ll probably go into next season with either ETH or Pochettino, neither of who inspire any confidence in our future to be honest.
 
The amount this poll has shifted following the cup final is just laughable. We played well in a one off game in a similar fashion to our good performances under ole against city

This doesn't negate the crap we have seen all season
Shows how much influence hysterical youtube 'fan' channels and the like have on the average fans' thinking.

Also shows that they can't remember past the last game.
 
We’ll probably go into next season with either ETH or Pochettino, neither of who inspire any confidence in our future to be honest.

Pochettino at least has a track record of building teams. Which is what we need right now. He got Chelsea playing pretty well this season, just had a bad start.

I'd feel ok with Pochettino, we'd improve and become a solid top four team.
 
Shows how much influence hysterical youtube 'fan' channels and the like have on the average fans' thinking.

Also shows that they can't remember past the last game.
Couldn't it also be that fans think without as many injuries we'd have been that little bit better (8 points) to have had a good season (FA cup + CL places)?
Can it also not be the combination of 3 finals, with 2 very good wins and a close loss to a better team, making people think this guy obviously has something about him tactically in big games?
Might it also be taking into account our issues being scoring and then looking at the average ages of our players whilst also being excited for what they could develop into?
 
Just finished watching 99. SAF is the greatest ever manager and it is clear to see why he was so successful. The aura, the desire, the presence, the trust of the players, the complete conviction, and the instinct. He was the leader, he was the boss and while he entrusted a great deal of responsibility to other staff members, in critical moments, they all looked at him to come up with the answers. These are also the qualities that you notice when it comes to other great managers like Klopp, Pep, Ancelloti.

Sadly, Erik seems to be missing quite a lot of these, even disregarding the weird tactics we witnessed this year. Hard to be optimistic that he will lead us to any kind of major success.
Why is klopp in the same league as sir Alex, pep and Ancelotti? He is a legendary coach for Liverpool but he won 1CL and 1PL
In defense of ETH’s supporters, the injury epidemic was substantial and we all saw for ourselves what a difference it made to have Martinez and Varane back on duty, even without Shaw.

That said, I’m still unsure whether to sack or not sack ETH. For me it comes down to who his successor would be and I have not yet seen a name floated that would be clear upgrade on ETH.
Poch, Tuchel doesn't sound inspiring. I am not even going to mention the other guy
 
Shows how much influence hysterical youtube 'fan' channels and the like have on the average fans' thinking.

Also shows that they can't remember past the last game.
I love how rattled you lot are by polls constantly. To the extent you want to claim how others think and what their reasoning must be.
 
Pochettino at least has a track record of building teams. Which is what we need right now. He got Chelsea playing pretty well this season, just had a bad start.

I'd feel ok with Pochettino, we'd improve and become a solid top four team.

Track record what 7 years ago. He also has a track record to bottle finals.

At least Ten Hag has the ability to win cup competitions. Chelsea never played well this season, with a bigger and better squad than us.

If you ask Chelsea fans, they were not happy with him all season with decisions he made. Pochetino is not an upgrade to Ten Hag.
 
Track record what 7 years ago. He also has a track record to bottle finals.

At least Ten Hag has the ability to win cup competitions. Chelsea never played well this season, with a bigger and better squad than us.

If you ask Chelsea fans, they were not happy with him all season with decisions he made. Pochetino is not an upgrade to Ten Hag.

Second half of this season they averaged 2 points a game. Significantly higher than Ten Hag managed.
 
Pochettino at least has a track record of building teams. Which is what we need right now. He got Chelsea playing pretty well this season, just had a bad start.

I'd feel ok with Pochettino, we'd improve and become a solid top four team.
Poch may have a track record of building teams but he doesn't have atrack record of winning things, and United's aim isn't to be a solid top 4 team
 
Poch may have a track record of building teams but he doesn't have atrack record of winning things, and United's aim isn't to be a solid top 4 team

Yes but we aren't going to jump from a shite team (which we are right now under Ten Hag) to a title winning team. We need realistic milestones to achieve first and that should be actually having consistent form.
 
Couldn't it also be that fans think without as many injuries we'd have been that little bit better (8 points) to have had a good season (FA cup + CL places)?
Can it also not be the combination of 3 finals, with 2 very good wins and a close loss to a better team, making people think this guy obviously has something about him tactically in big games?
Might it also be taking into account our issues being scoring and then looking at the average ages of our players whilst also being excited for what they could develop into?
This guy has nothing about him tactically as we've seen all season. A couple of Oleball style wins doesn't change it.
 
Second half of this season they averaged 2 points a game. Significantly higher than Ten Hag managed.

Thats nice, didnt realise a season is judged on 1/2 a season.

How did he fair in cup competitions, has he won anything in England after building squads?
 
Presumably Berrada, Wilcox and/or Ashworth are on the other side of the devil's advocate? Hopefully it's not true.
 
Strange how so many people on here seem to think that the fans who "changed their mind" following the FA Cup final went from one extreme (definitely wanting him out) to the other (definitely wanting him to stay).

Personally I was on the fence before the final, maybe even leaning a bit towards wanting him out. But the performance in the final, and the reactions of the players in the aftermath - seeing how happy they were for him and how much they're clearly still behind him, changed my mind a bit. So I voted keep.

But it's not as if I'll be devastated if he's sacked. I put my trust in the new leadership for now.
 
Track record what 7 years ago. He also has a track record to bottle finals.

At least Ten Hag has the ability to win cup competitions. Chelsea never played well this season, with a bigger and better squad than us.

If you ask Chelsea fans, they were not happy with him all season with decisions he made. Pochetino is not an upgrade to Ten Hag.
Do you even have any clue what it means to bottle something? You'd have to have been a favourite or be in a position to win to bottle something. What exactly has he bottled? The Champions League final? He got Tottenham to a Champions league final when everybody wrote them off from even qualifying from their group. Liverpool were the clear favourites in that final and his primary goal threat was injured but somehow he bottled the final? The 15/16 league? If he bottled that league then what did the rest (including us) do? Genuinely dont understand people on here sometimes. Nobody else mentioned has anywhere near the track record he has of taking below par teams and transforming them. Espanyol, Southampton, Tottenham. The Chelsea side everyone derided throughout the season finished two places above us with the most injuries and the most time missed through injuries of any team.

He is a significant upgrade on Ten Hag.
 
Strange how so many people on here seem to think that the fans who "changed their mind" following the FA Cup final went from one extreme (definitely wanting him out) to the other (definitely wanting him to stay).

Personally I was on the fence before the final, maybe even leaning a bit towards wanting him out. But the performance in the final, and the reactions of the players in the aftermath - seeing how happy they were for him and how much they're clearly still behind him, changed my mind a bit. So I voted keep.

But it's not as if I'll be devastated if he's sacked. I put my trust in the new leadership for now.

It was a keep/sack poll. If you went from sack to keep, you changed your mind. It didn't measure the extremes.

I'm the same as you, just other side of the fence. Think it's best he goes, but wouldn't be too bothered if he stayed and would trust the people who know more than me have made the right call.
 
Blanc backing Hag.
Ashworth and/or Brailsford hot for Southgate.

Looking like a lot of cooks fighting over piss broth.
 
Pochettino at least has a track record of building teams. Which is what we need right now. He got Chelsea playing pretty well this season, just had a bad start.

I'd feel ok with Pochettino, we'd improve and become a solid top four team.
What track record? You mean at a minimal pressure job at Spurs? Ten Hag did a better job at Ajax actually winning trophies. Would be such a boring managerial hire.
 
Do you even have any clue what it means to bottle something? You'd have to have been a favourite or be in a position to win to bottle something. What exactly has he bottled? The Champions League final? He got Tottenham to a Champions league final when everybody wrote them off from even qualifying from their group. Liverpool were the clear favourites in that final and his primary goal threat was injured but somehow he bottled the final? The 15/16 league? If he bottled that league then what did the rest (including us) do? Genuinely dont understand people on here sometimes. Nobody else mentioned has anywhere near the track record he has of taking below par teams and transforming them. Espanyol, Southampton, Tottenham. The Chelsea side everyone derided throughout the season finished two places above us with the most injuries and the most time missed through injuries of any team.

He is a significant upgrade on Ten Hag.

If someone was a good manager 10 years ago, that does not mean he is a good manager now... Jose, Conte are all examples.

I mean he literally got beat by kids in the League cup this season as well.

He had the most injuries than any team? I think you need to check that. Lets also not forget he had a bigger and better squad.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cq55wy2qx21o

Where he had Lavia and Lesley missing all season he had £200m of talent to call upon in midfield in Caceido and Enzo.

Significant upgrade based on what? He got a team 7 years ago to a CL final?
 
Shows how much influence hysterical youtube 'fan' channels and the like have on the average fans' thinking.

Also shows that they can't remember past the last game.

To be fair I don't think there's been many switching at all. It's largely been additional votes and a lot of the votes are newbies who haven't even posted so not reflected in discussion.

We did just win a cup so not that surprising new votes are positive. Plus the joy of the season being over because fecking hell that was a slog watching us.
 
The problem lies here though. Although I can see the logic and rationale for Ten Hag to get sacked, posters are contradicting themselves on here.

When I say why isnt the plans / review carried out during the season, I get told the structure is not in place what do you expect, the same people say Ten Hag should go... So we cant do review but we can sack the manager... make it make sense.

My issue if I listen to posters and wait till the structure is in place, we will be mid july, then sack the man, and hire someone new 2 weeks will take us to end of July.

So people are condoning having a pre season with no manager? No signings? Make it make sense.

We now know Berrada was recruiting Ashworth for United in February while still officially working for City on gardening leave. So I think it's safe to say the new regime are probably already working even if it's not official yet.

Keeping Ten Hag doesn't mean there won't be a reset in play style and transfer strategy anyway. So the idea of keeping him on so we don't start over is a bit of a moot point.
 
What track record? You mean at a minimal pressure job at Spurs? Ten Hag did a better job at Ajax actually winning trophies. Would be such a boring managerial hire.

Yet Spurs beat Ajax in the semis of the CL in 2019.

Ajax gave away a 2 goal lead to lose 3-2.

Very difficult to judge Ten Hag at Ajax v Poch at Spurs. Two very different clubs in different leagues, with different expectations and relative resources.
 
Poch may have a track record of building teams but he doesn't have atrack record of winning things, and United's aim isn't to be a solid top 4 team

I mean according to our own current manager that's the aim for next year *if we sign good players*

(For the record I don't really want Poch either, I think neither of them are good choices to lead us forward)
 
The problem lies here though. Although I can see the logic and rationale for Ten Hag to get sacked, posters are contradicting themselves on here.

When I say why isnt the plans / review carried out during the season, I get told the structure is not in place what do you expect, the same people say Ten Hag should go... So we cant do review but we can sack the manager... make it make sense.

My issue if I listen to posters and wait till the structure is in place, we will be mid july, then sack the man, and hire someone new 2 weeks will take us to end of July.

So people are condoning having a pre season with no manager? No signings? Make it make sense.

I think far too many are placing this ultimate importance on "structure being in place" before anything else can happen personally. We are still waiting on Ashworth but that's about it, but my god if we really can't make any competent decisions until a single man shows up we are fecked anyways.
 
I think far too many are placing this ultimate importance on "structure being in place" before anything else can happen personally. We are still waiting on Ashworth but that's about it, but my god if we really can't make any competent decisions until a single man shows up we are fecked anyways.

Not to mention the fact he's probably in talks unofficially with our guys now anyway. Well we know he is anyway. But they will be discussing all of this behind the scenes no doubt. Pretty sure he's not sat at home waiting for arbitration before he can pick up the phone to talk to everyone else.
 
Not to mention the fact he's probably in talks unofficially with our guys now anyway. Well we know he is anyway. But they will be discussing all of this beyond the scenes no doubt. Pretty sure he's not sat at home waiting for arbitration before he can pick up the phone to talk to everyone else.

Exactly. People thinking he hasn't chimed in and given his opinion/done any work already are delusional.
 
I find it insane that people have changed their opinion post the FA Cup.

If anything, it shows us how much of a terrible job Ten Hag did during the rest of the season.

He showed pragmatism in the way he setup his team on Saturday. Made sure his center backs were protected with Amrabat sitting in front and more importantly never huge gaps between defence, midfield and attack.

Where was that throughout the season? Why not protect our center backs when it was Maguire, Casemiro or Evans at CB?

Yes, we had Varane and Matrinez, but both were far from fit. The difference is the team was setup to never allow them to be exposed.
 
I don't think so, as the manager and staff are the central figures tieing this altogether.
One and a half seasons before SJR took over.

So on the football side is not square because he knows the players as for Ineos or wilcox deciding how we play should be a huge red flag to all utd supporters.

What has Wilcox won? Does he even have one coaching badge? Frankly I don't buy it
and I don't think we'll be talking about Eth being sacked - I think we'll be talking about him walking.

It really is over to Ineos to get the players and shift players, they'll need to be quick on both because once the euros start it'll be harder.

Isn't a proper footballing structure what most people have been calling out for, for years? That's how a football structure works, that's how almost every big club but United have operated for quite a while.

The DOF, Technical directors etc. handle the transfers in/out and shaping the squad. Ratcliffe has said they'll be choosing the style of play and the manager will have to adhere to that.

If Erik doesn't want to work under those restrictions and walks fair play to him. But also good luck finding a decent club anywhere where he wouldn't be operating under a similar structure.
 
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