When someone says that they can't believe you actually think something it is generally them pointing to the ludicrous nature of the thought. It's an extremely common turn of phrase.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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When someone says that they can't believe you actually think something it is generally them pointing to the ludicrous nature of the thought. It's an extremely common turn of phrase.
The thought that you made up, that's the issue. You imagined a ludicrous thought, as you put it, and attributed to me.
If true then it'd be Wilcox and Ashworth who want him out.
The way the second tweet shows up on here it looks like it's saying that she was trapped in the village with Ten Hag
really unfortunate place for the ... to startI really do feel we're just delaying the inevitable by not sacking him. The only way he turns things around is with 5 very good signings and let's be honest that's not happening. Better to sack him now than be manager-less in January.
I am lost for words if Ineos dont sack him.
Let emotions take control over rational thinking.
Let emotions take control over rational thinking.
We’ll probably go into next season with either ETH or Pochettino, neither of who inspire any confidence in our future to be honest.
Shows how much influence hysterical youtube 'fan' channels and the like have on the average fans' thinking.
Also shows that they can't remember past the last game.
I know right?
Pochettino at least has a track record of building teams. Which is what we need right now. He got Chelsea playing pretty well this season, just had a bad start.
I'd feel ok with Pochettino, we'd improve and become a solid top four team.
Couldn't it also be that fans think without as many injuries we'd have been that little bit better (8 points) to have had a good season (FA cup + CL places)?
Can it also not be the combination of 3 finals, with 2 very good wins and a close loss to a better team, making people think this guy obviously has something about him tactically in big games?
Might it also be taking into account our issues being scoring and then looking at the average ages of our players whilst also being excited for what they could develop into?
Why is klopp in the same league as sir Alex, pep and Ancelotti? He is a legendary coach for Liverpool but he won 1CL and 1PL
Poch, Tuchel doesn't sound inspiring. I am not even going to mention the other guy
I love how rattled you lot are by polls constantly. To the extent you want to claim how others think and what their reasoning must be.
Track record what 7 years ago. He also has a track record to bottle finals.
At least Ten Hag has the ability to win cup competitions. Chelsea never played well this season, with a bigger and better squad than us.
If you ask Chelsea fans, they were not happy with him all season with decisions he made. Pochetino is not an upgrade to Ten Hag.
Second half of this season they averaged 2 points a game. Significantly higher than Ten Hag managed.
Poch may have a track record of building teams but he doesn't have atrack record of winning things, and United's aim isn't to be a solid top 4 team
Yes but we aren't going to jump from a shite team (which we are right now under Ten Hag) to a title winning team. We need realistic milestones to achieve first and that should be actually having consistent form.
This guy has nothing about him tactically as we've seen all season. A couple of Oleball style wins doesn't change it.
Thats nice, didnt realise a season is judged on 1/2 a season.
How did he fair in cup competitions, has he won anything in England after building squads?
Presumably Berrada, Wilcox and/or Ashworth are on the other side of the devil's advocate? Hopefully it's not true.
Strange how so many people on here seem to think that the fans who "changed their mind" following the FA Cup final went from one extreme (definitely wanting him out) to the other (definitely wanting him to stay).
Personally I was on the fence before the final, maybe even leaning a bit towards wanting him out. But the performance in the final, and the reactions of the players in the aftermath - seeing how happy they were for him and how much they're clearly still behind him, changed my mind a bit. So I voted keep.
But it's not as if I'll be devastated if he's sacked. I put my trust in the new leadership for now.
Personally I was on the fence before the final, maybe even leaning a bit towards wanting him out. But the performance in the final, and the reactions of the players in the aftermath - seeing how happy they were for him and how much they're clearly still behind him, changed my mind a bit. So I voted keep.
But it's not as if I'll be devastated if he's sacked. I put my trust in the new leadership for now.
Do you even have any clue what it means to bottle something? You'd have to have been a favourite or be in a position to win to bottle something. What exactly has he bottled? The Champions League final? He got Tottenham to a Champions league final when everybody wrote them off from even qualifying from their group. Liverpool were the clear favourites in that final and his primary goal threat was injured but somehow he bottled the final? The 15/16 league? If he bottled that league then what did the rest (including us) do? Genuinely dont understand people on here sometimes. Nobody else mentioned has anywhere near the track record he has of taking below par teams and transforming them. Espanyol, Southampton, Tottenham. The Chelsea side everyone derided throughout the season finished two places above us with the most injuries and the most time missed through injuries of any team.
He is a significant upgrade on Ten Hag.
It was a keep/sack poll. If you went from sack to keep, you changed your mind. It didn't measure the extremes.
I'm the same as you, just other side of the fence. Think it's best he goes, but wouldn't be too bothered if he stayed and would trust the people who know more than me have made the right call.
Blanc backing Hag.
Ashworth and/or Brailsford hot for Southgate.
Looking like a lot of cooks fighting over piss broth.
Ashworth and/or Brailsford hot for Southgate.
Looking like a lot of cooks fighting over piss broth.
OK so you agree re injuries and having too young a forward line?
What track record? You mean at a minimal pressure job at Spurs? Ten Hag did a better job at Ajax actually winning trophies. Would be such a boring managerial hire.
Either way the sooner the club clarifies the situation the better.
If someone was a good manager 10 years ago, that does not mean he is a good manager now... Jose, Conte are all examples.
I mean he literally got beat by kids in the League cup this season as well.
He had the most injuries than any team? I think you need to check that. Lets also not forget he had a bigger and better squad.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cq55wy2qx21o
Where he had Lavia and Lesley missing all season he had £200m of talent to call upon in midfield in Caceido and Enzo.
Significant upgrade based on what? He got a team 7 years ago to a CL final?
To be fair I don't think there's been many switching at all. It's largely been additional votes and a lot of the votes are newbies who haven't even posted so not reflected in discussion.
We did just win a cup so not that surprising new votes are positive. Plus the joy of the season being over because fecking hell that was a slog watching us.
We now know Berrada was recruiting Ashworth for United in February while still officially working for City on gardening leave. So I think it's safe to say the new regime are probably already working even if it's not official yet.
Keeping Ten Hag doesn't mean there won't be a reset in play style and transfer strategy anyway. So the idea of keeping him on so we don't start over is a bit of a moot point.
Yet Spurs beat Ajax in the semis of the CL in 2019.
Ajax gave away a 2 goal lead to lose 3-2.
Very difficult to judge Ten Hag at Ajax v Poch at Spurs. Two very different clubs in different leagues, with different expectations and relative resources.
I mean according to our own current manager that's the aim for next year *if we sign good players*
(For the record I don't really want Poch either, I think neither of them are good choices to lead us forward)
I think far too many are placing this ultimate importance on "structure being in place" before anything else can happen personally. We are still waiting on Ashworth but that's about it, but my god if we really can't make any competent decisions until a single man shows up we are fecked anyways.
It's dragging out way longer than I expected, win or lose that final. Likely because ETH had gone on holiday, but come on surely a decision can still be announced.
Not to mention the fact he's probably in talks unofficially with our guys now anyway. Well we know he is anyway. But they will be discussing all of this behind the scenes no doubt. Pretty sure he's not sat at home waiting for arbitration before he can pick up the phone to talk to everyone else.
Exactly. People thinking he hasn't chimed in and given his opinion/done any work already are delusional.
I find it insane that people have changed their opinion post the FA Cup.
If anything, it shows us how much of a terrible job Ten Hag did during the rest of the season.
He showed pragmatism in the way he setup his team on Saturday. Made sure his center backs were protected with Amrabat sitting in front and more importantly never huge gaps between defence, midfield and attack.
Where was that throughout the season? Why not protect our center backs when it was Maguire, Casemiro or Evans at CB?
Yes, we had Varane and Matrinez, but both were far from fit. The difference is the team was setup to never allow them to be exposed.
If anything, it shows us how much of a terrible job Ten Hag did during the rest of the season.
He showed pragmatism in the way he setup his team on Saturday. Made sure his center backs were protected with Amrabat sitting in front and more importantly never huge gaps between defence, midfield and attack.
Where was that throughout the season? Why not protect our center backs when it was Maguire, Casemiro or Evans at CB?
Yes, we had Varane and Matrinez, but both were far from fit. The difference is the team was setup to never allow them to be exposed.
Isn't a proper footballing structure what most people have been calling out for, for years? That's how a football structure works, that's how almost every big club but United have operated for quite a while.
The DOF, Technical directors etc. handle the transfers in/out and shaping the squad. Ratcliffe has said they'll be choosing the style of play and the manager will have to adhere to that.
If Erik doesn't want to work under those restrictions and walks fair play to him. But also good luck finding a decent club anywhere where he wouldn't be operating under a similar structure.
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