This is a cracking cheat sheet. I'm saving it for future reference.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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This is a cracking cheat sheet. I'm saving it for future reference.
I can't understand anyone looking at the shape Utd played from Wolves to the Arsenal home game and not seeing that as a massive failure of management. Utd were structurally a shambles no matter who was available, first choices or back ups. Injuries in defense and he is still playing an isolated midfielder with massive space between defense and attack?
Structurally, organizationally, tactically, Ten Hag has presided over one of the most inept 9 months (you could push it back to 15/16 months) of football I have ever seen from a major club. Poor results are one thing, but what we were seeing on the pitch was nonsensical, inexcusable. None of it made sense and passed any scrutiny.
Despite that an Fa Cup win has me questioning sacking him but how can we just ignore just how appalling the performance were, how do you trust he will adapt in the future when it took him 50 games of seeing the same absurd pattern repeat itself before he finally made the sensible choice?
More depressing would be a continuation of the season we just had.
I was being sarcastic. But to answer your question, I’d say it’s quick transition, getting the ball to the attackers that are exploiting space using long balls or quick one twos. It’s pretty shit though, because we lose the ball often and the midfield structure ETH assembled means we are wide open
At last, Someone with some sense on this forum. I 100% agree.
Best post I've read on here in a long time.
The Chief Football reporter at The Daily Mail is reporting he will still be sacked
If down the line, the new manager (or if ETH stays) doesn't have this team play better with better performances in the league, why would criticizing (what you call ripping them apart) be a bad thing ?
What ?
Very reliable he is
Tier 2. Yikes...
Saturday’s win takes us back into Europe; Mckenna and the Brighton manager will definitely struggle and capitulate with the pressure and expectations here. Poch and Tuchel have just been sacked from their respective clubs for poor performance, In my opinion I think it’s too much of a gamble. I’d give ETH the opportunity to rectify and build on the end of season momentum.
Yup, especially McKenna, fanbase simply won't have ounce of patience for that kind of choice, who's by the way easily above decent, for a 38 years old manager.
I'm up to the point where it's Zidane or bust. Players need a huge dose of inspiration and Zizou tbh is the closest thing to a Best / Cantona type of influence.
This is what I’ve been saying all along. It’s a matter of timing and PR now. The season review and decision will have happened before the final and the decision made but for PR they are presenting it as a comprehensive and measured decision which takes into account the performance of the entire season, final included and comes to the decision to move him on.
Palace defeat is the one that probably sealed it.
I agree that we had a very poor season, but as I mentioned there are several factors to consider before making any drastic decisions. Injuries to key players, off-field issues, etc. We have seen glimpses of what he can achieve with a fully fit squad. He has a track record of success, and a commitment to youth development. It's essential for INEOS to look at the bigger picture and give him the time needed to build a team capable of competing at the highest level. Winning trophies while building the future team with the likes of Kobbie, Garnacho, Hojlund, Martinez, Dalot, Shaw, Onana, Bruno, etc is a progress for me.
100%
There were many ,tbf.
Worth mentioning that line is that its from a Maresca to Chelsea story
Who is ignoring anything ? People who want to give him another year aren’t ignoring anything , they are looking at all the variables, not just the negative ones being relentlesssly repeated on social media and pundits.
- everybody has injuries - no in depth research to back up that uniteds injuries have been any different.
- every manager has to deal with player issues - what manager at a top club has had to deal with 4 serious player issues (very public)
- every manager has to deal with problems - what other manager has had to deal with their club being for sale and their and others future were up in air most of the time they are there
- lots of money spent - over double spent by Chelsea in the same time , nobody is blaming all their managers for them doing no better then us
SJR has bought the club to change how it’s run. He said flat out that every single United manager was let down by the structure in place. This includes recruitment, identifying, buying , contract negotiations and selling.
Given all this , I think season 1 was good to deserve some credit. Season 2 felt like an experimental one in many ways and probably should have been season 1 (club that needed open heart surgery).
I’d share concerns that others have mentioned but don’t feel whatever happens next season or in transfer window will hurt us as there is a longer term plan in place. So don’t see another year of him as a big risk ,
Wish him all the best in the future!
Despite all his shortcomings, he provided incredible moments for us. Will never forget the elimination of Barcelona, the whole FA cup run this year, the great and convincing wins against Arsenal, Liverpool and City at Old Trafford. The carabao final to shut down overly annoying Newcastle fans was also a joy. And the great work with our academy youngsters!
Thank you, Eric!
Despite all his shortcomings, he provided incredible moments for us. Will never forget the elimination of Barcelona, the whole FA cup run this year, the great and convincing wins against Arsenal, Liverpool and City at Old Trafford. The carabao final to shut down overly annoying Newcastle fans was also a joy. And the great work with our academy youngsters!
Thank you, Eric!
Securing victory against arguably the best team in the world at the FA Cup final guarantees Ten Hag's continued reign at United.
Funny thing is that he was most successful using a formation that was also the favored formation of Rangnick.
Very odd situation.
ETH hasn't been great this season and should really be moved on, but there is no one that excites United fans enough to replace him with.
Whichever way this goes, I don't think INEOS can win.
ETH hasn't been great this season and should really be moved on, but there is no one that excites United fans enough to replace him with.
Whichever way this goes, I don't think INEOS can win.
Another 100%
You don't stay this quiet if your intentions are to move forward with him.
Booting Ten Hag and getting De Zerbi who's won 1 game in the last 10 tells you all you need to know about the new management. Same goes for Poch who's won feck all besides some french silverware which a blind donkey would win with that PSG team
According to the Guardian, SJR has approached De Zerbi after being impressed with the way he guided Brighton into Europe last year. Won no cups mind, but got Brighton into Europe. I hope this is a nothing story.
For this decision, its a proper lose-lose situation for INEOS. Whatever decision they make, 50% of the fanbase will be calling them clueless, same/worse than Glazers, and what not.
And what if he's stays and we're still woeful? "Why on earth didn't we sack him?!"
If we're still bad of course there will be hindsight type posts.
So, I gather no one here will give the new guy a chance.
A title that better suits the decision would be" Ratcliffe strikes once more with the decision to sack Ten Hag, a move reminiscent of his Brexit vote”
You're fooling yourself mate. They weren't told to sit deep, they did it themselves because when they didn't they gave away goals like at Palace. Maguire and Evans are slow as paint and turn like oil tankers. And the only place you can play a high line with slow players is Italy and Germany. Try it in the EPL and you get what you're given.
Do you actually think ETH told the team to leave midfield empty except for Casemiro? Does that sound like a sane thing to do?
Wtf is he expected to win ?
Good thing neither have been appointed then, isn't it.
They could have simply by giving him another season. They could just have said there have been lots of changes behind the scenes, it wasn't the right time to also change the manager. If he was a success, they win. If he did poorly, never mind, the structure is now in place etc.
As it is they've made themselves look as bad as the Glazers and put themselves under huge pressure to hire a manager who is clearly better. If the new man doesn't achieve top 4 now, they'll all look prize plums.
True. But Palace was the one that meant that not even winning the cup(unlikely as it seemed then) could save him IMO
You can't argue against his sacking with the season we've just had, sorry.
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