Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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It was executed shit and the tactics themselves certainly needed tweaking. He's the first to admit that - he called the league campaign "crap" by his own words. That's not his standard and it's not his ceiling.

To be fair he had 9 months in which to tweak them.

Yet until the last few games he didn't. And I don't believe he didn't recognise it was shit long before then.
 
If he failed as terribly as you say that wouldn't have been an option for them.
He failed enough to get sacked mid season. The only reason they revived a talk was because there were no managers available that proved to be any less of a risk than what he was. This is because as I said earlier - both Tuchel and Ten Hag are objectively good coaches who would probably learn from the mistakes they made.

That doesn't mean his form wasnt sackable at Bayern, because he was literally sacked.
I agree Conte would be a bad appointment right now, as would Jose. I think both are a bit past it (could come back after some time to freshen up but Utd isn't the place to do it). It would be very early to make that assesment on Tuchel.
Maybe, but what we do know is he has a 100% record of falling out with owners, which means that even if the sustainability of his coaching is too early to question, the extent to which he's adaptable to club structures is not.
The football in his time here has ranged from okayish to horrendous. Our injuries have been no worse than some other teams and the week to week squad he has had available is capable of far more. It is a managers job to get more out of the players available, not less. The biggest cause of us looking like such an incompetent football team for a year is Ten Hag deciding to play 1 man in midfield with a deep back line.
We had more than "OK" periods last season, and broadly outperformed expectation. Moving on to this season, we have comparable if not worse injuries with the 2 sides that finished 0 - 3pts above us. But we also won an FA Cup, and they didn't, meaning Ten Hag had a better season than them. He did it the hard way, and one of the coaches tipped to replace him bottled a cup against Liverpool academy kids, and couldn't show the bottle against the team we put aside in the final. That counts for something.
 
Conte threw a season long tantrum and alienated everyone at Tottenham because the board only bought 5 of the 6 players he requested in the summer, and the next season the new manager finished 6 points better after Kane was sold in the summer. Conte's best skill is knowing how to get sacked when things get difficult.

Yeah he was rubbish his second season at Spurs. Considering what he's done in his career I imagine that isn't his "best skill"
 
To be fair he had 9 months in which to tweak them.

Yet until the last few games he didn't. And I don't believe he didn't recognise it was shit long before then.
And that was his stubbornness in thinking it would eventually click like it did with Ajax when everyone doubted him. He should now know the PL is a different beast, but he should also have room to make his mistakes, so long as he keeps us relevant. He did that this year by bringing home the FA Cup.
 
Yes because United and Real Madrid are apt comparisons. Christ on a bike. Real Madrid have shown they can win in every way imaginable. This is just a preposterous comparison to make.



I agree that ESPN coverage and punditry is about the worst in the business, but it’s smoke and mirrors to discount the validity of what he was saying just because of where he said it.

The fact is, Ten Hag used yesterdays game to say that having everyone fit, the game showed “what the team was capable of”, and that they were finally able to “play football they way we wanted to”. Well I bloody well hope not. What it showed, if anything was that with everyone fit he was capable of putting a game plan together that could produce a result, but the way we played and how we got that result was surely, surely, not indicative of the type of football we want to play.

This is apparently also a manager that can only produce when all his players are fit - if you listen to him - and can only produce when Martinez is fit - if you listen to the Caf - which is another huge red flag. A good manager has to be able to produce at least a competent performance during an injury crisis, even if no one is expecting you to perform at your best.

It’s also worth remembering, and I pointed this out earlier, to which no one had a reply, but at the start of the season - his second season - we lost 6 of our first 10 games with a nearly full fit squad. That kind of horrendous loss rate continued throughout the season, and was later explained away by some as the result of an injury crisis, but we came out the gate this season losing every other game. Spurs, Arsenal. Bayern, Palace, Brighton and Galatasaray, all turned us over in the first 10 games. We scored 15 and conceded 18 in that period. That run of 4 wins and 6 losses in the first ten games also included the opening day 1-0 over Wolves, where they tore us to pieces and had a stonewall penalty not given, and a very lucky 3-2 win over ten man Forest. So it could have been even worse.

Our form had been dismal since the Carabao cup final win last season, and has stayed pretty consistently poor regardless of personnel.

I think a lot of people, myself certainly, would be happy to give him another season if there were signs of actual progression in the team. There were a fair few people at the end of last season who were ringing alarms bells and saying he was shit, and I very vigorously defended him. I saw enough last season to see he had us moving in the right direction, and put the late season slump down to fatigue. Fatigue from competing on so many fronts (a consequence of success). But we came out of the gates this season looking completely clueless and disorganised with a non-sensical tactical approach. Almost every fan on this forum has been screaming for nearly the entire season about the absurdity of our midfield set up. Yet we win the FA cup with a park the bus performance, and suddenly people are all “give him time”.

I’d LOVE to give him time, IF he had shown any signs this season that he was building something, that he was moving us towards a clear style of play. But he simply hasn’t. He’s persisted with a baffling non-midfield set up, resulting in a record amount of goals and shots on goal conceded, as well as our lowest ever PL finish; and then in the final weeks of the season abandoned that approach for an ultra conservative 4-2-4-0 to win a cup. So what the giddy feck is the plan for next season? Park the bus? Back to tactical seppuku? Something new we haven’t seen yet, meaning we’ve built no foundation over his first two years? No, I’m sorry, but whichever way I shake it, he just doesn’t cut the mustard. He’s developed nothing in the last two years that can be built on. We are basically starting from scratch next season, with or without him, because there is nothing about the way we’ve set up this season that is even remotely usable for next season. That is damning.

The two things I will give him credit for, because a bad manager can do good things, is his consistent commitment to bringing through youth players in a meaningful way (vital for a United manager), and the way he’s handled disciplinary issues - which I fundamentally agree with. The problem is, if you are going to rule with an iron fist - especially in modern football where players are all over paid prima Donna’s - you have to back it up by being successful on the pitch. Otherwise it just doesn’t work.
Spot on.
 
When it was clear he was facing a team that were statistically the 2nd best team in the history of the division and could not be caught he focused on the Champions League and it was a very tight Semi Final. Makes sense to me.
Mate, you're just coping. Tuchel isn't an upgrade on anything. You just want ETH out, so you're overlooking all of Tuchel's shortcomings because the fact of the matter is that there is not a single manager out there that is available which can improve us.

Tuchel is a weird one. His trophies have all been in either been in farmer's league A with PSG or farmer's league B with Bayern. In both these teams he underperformed. He never won the CL for PSG and he finished 3rd in a 2 horse race with Bayern. The year before that he scrapped past Dortmund(finishing level points mostly because Dortmund chocked in the last day of the season).

Now his famed CL comes when he arrived in the middle of the season with Chelsea. The reason I bring that up is that Chelsea has only reached a CL final when their manager was appointed mid-season: Grant(runner's up in the league and CL to us) and Di Matteo. The fact that he hasn't won anything of significance after that final just proves that he is a good coach, but not an immediate upgrade on ETH.
 
Why do we keep discussing? Ten Hag is gone and rightly so. He was horrible this season, just horrible.
Trophy says differently. I understand that if we get new manager, we are looking for atleast 2 trophies a season to not getting sacked? Right?

Staying or going, decision is going to be made soon. I would expect in maximum two weeks time if my information is correct.
 
Mate, you're just coping. Tuchel isn't an upgrade on anything. You just want ETH out, so you're overlooking all of Tuchel's shortcomings because the fact of the matter is that there is not a single manager out there that is available which can improve us.

Tuchel is a weird one. His trophies have all been in either been in farmer's league A with PSG or farmer's league B with Bayern. In both these teams he underperformed. He never won the CL for PSG and he finished 3rd in a 2 horse race with Bayern. The year before that he scrapped past Dortmund(finishing level points mostly because Dortmund chocked in the last day of the season).

Now his famed CL comes when he arrived in the middle of the season with Chelsea. The reason I bring that up is that Chelsea has only reached a CL final when their manager was appointed mid-season: Grant(runner's up in the league and CL to us) and Di Matteo. The fact that he hasn't won anything of significance after that final just proves that he is a good coach, but not an immediate upgrade on ETH.

No I just think he has clearly shown himself to be a better manager than Ten Hag. You can disagree, I can't be bothered going back and forth with 10 people all typing 5 paragraphs per message.

If you were pleased with what was offered up by Ten Hag last season then I'm genuinely pleased for you.
 
I'm replying to about 7 people at once my friend. I'll add pettiness to the list.

Has Tuchel showed significantly more in his career than Ten Hag as a manager?
Forget the other six!

Sorry for delay in replying, I’ve just tried out that Google thingy that you suggested… it’s fantastic! How long has it been about?

I typed in ‘Tuchel issues’ and there was A LOT of comments about him being awful to work with, nasty, toxic, couldn’t do better than Nagelsmann… they don’t sound like good attributes?

Despite you skipping my questions (I can rephrase them if it helps?) and still holding your top secret quoting formula to yourself (a bit selfish iibh), I’m not one to avoid difficult questions so …. no, he hasn’t shown SIGNIFICANTLY more.

He improved Chelsea in the league a bit (ok), he won a CL (tick tick) and a few farmer trophies (mehhh). Better… maybe, significantly… no. And not recent. And reputation for being a tw@t.

Yes, he was close to another CL final but you seem to have forgotten (accidental exclusion Im sure) that so was Ten Hag… literally seconds away. With a quite young team… nice football too?

And it’s just hit me about your comment on Leverkusen being “factually” better than the 2013 Bayern treble winning team, l.o.l. (I got that from Google). So putting aside they got ABSOLUTELY schooled by Atalanta, isn’t three trophies better than two. It’s certainly more (I’m really good at maths)?

And extrapolating your logic of unbeaten and more points (and logic is doing a lot of heavy lifting there), that means Arsenals 2004 Invincibles are better than United 99? That’s odd because I could have sworn we were better…. damn :(

LFTR and don’t forget the quoting secret!
 
No I just think he has clearly shown himself to be a better manager than Ten Hag. You can disagree, I can't be bothered going back and forth with 10 people all typing 5 paragraphs per message.

If you were pleased with what was offered up by Ten Hag last season then I'm genuinely pleased for you.
It's very flawed logic to be honest.

Mourinho has proven to be a much better manager than Tuchel. He's past it though, he's peaked, and you're only as good as your last stint as manager.
Tuchel's stock is low, he's abrasive and I think his past 2 years at Bayern have certainly been a worse demonstration than Ten Hags last 2 seasons at United, on full balance.
 
The Southampton manager finished tenth with Swansea then got them promoted today. Tuchel had to deal with an unreal Leverkusen side and a dysfunctional board at Bayern. ETH at least has dealt with two boards here let him do whatever he wanted despite the horrific results. If Tuchel should be unhirable based on this season, then why should anyone take a punt on ETH when you take account of the awful league form he presided over?
Tuchel didn't get knocked out of the German cup by Leverkusen. In fact it wasn't even a Bundasliga team. I think they're in the 3rd division.
Tuchel also didn't just finish behind Leverkusen. Bayern operate in a two horse league since as long as I can remember, 20-30 years? He's the first manager in god knows how long to finish 3rd in that two horse race.

Despite that, both he and Ten Hag are objectively good coaches in horror seasons. I wouldn't sack one for the other.
 
i don’t think ETH made many mistakes this season if we look in different angle. He just did what he believed. The team didn’t click. One of the main reasons is that he misjudged the injury situation. His real mistake/flaw imo is his lack of application of rotation.
 
Just look at the league -- the league never lies.

-1 goal difference, the historical number of losses and 8th.

One win doesn't make a summer as they say.

This has been the worst season in living memory. One cup win will not wash that off or shine a turd.
 
A lot of this is indisputable this season, I think even ETH himself agrees…but why is the poll still roughly 50/50? I think partly because people see the mitigation of the injuries, and give him credit for the flashes of good performances that have been shown over the 2 seasons (chiefly when Martinez plays - big problem is how over reliant everything seems to be on him playing). Just as managers can have freak good seasons, they can have freakish bad ones too, and I’m willing to look at ETHs larger body of work and not write him off because this year was awful until Saturday.

Fair enough, you’re definitely more patient than me.

I guess the biggest part of my frustration has been specifically how he reacted (or didn’t react) to our injury crisis. If you’re playing a second choice back 4 or constantly having to chop and change it whilst battling a poor run of results, then as manager you just have to be a bit more adaptable and pragmatic. Make some tactical adjustments and give your downtrodden squad a fighting chance by setting them up with some more fecking protection from midfield! Refusing to do so only to see us concede the same goals again and again to mid table teams has been infuriating, and likely further dented the already eroded confidence of this team.

A key part of management is adjusting tactically to the circumstances beyond your control, and I just no longer have any faith he’s the right man to be able to do that for us in the league.
 
I struggle a bit with the 15th at Christmas in 2020. Because that's around one year into his career as a manager against two years for ETH and that's around 14 games into that second season. It's difficult for me to understand the logic that I'm supposed to follow when you are using a smaller sample size for Arteta, let's say that Arteta was bad during his first year, things improved during the second part of that season and things improved even more during the following 6 months which take us to two years.

So if we compare ETH and Arteta, we have a manager that has a decent first year, which is followed by a bad second year. And an other manager that has subpar first year and a pretty good second year. One regressed while the other improved.
And one won a trophy when the other one didn’t.
 
Trophy says differently. I understand that if we get new manager, we are looking for atleast 2 trophies a season to not getting sacked? Right?

Staying or going, decision is going to be made soon. I would expect in maximum two weeks time if my information is correct.
It really doesn't. Ending the season on a high does not change the overall picture. We still finished 8th. We still embarrassed ourselves in the CL. We still got outplayed week in week out by every pub team. We still ended up with a negative GD after 38 fecking games. Manchester United!!
Ten Hag still came out with horrible statements like saying that people stating the obvious and daring to criticize him were lacking 'common sense'. Constantly blaming injuries for the damage done by his team instructions. He still bought a goalkeeper for loads of money because he is good at passing only to decide on a style that completely magnifies his weaknesses, having him kick long and inviting dozens of mid to long range shots each game. Need I go on?
Ten Hag has performed horribly, overall. He deserves to be sacked without any shred of doubt and he can have absolutely not complaints about it, though something tells me he will.
 
Just look at the league -- the league never lies.

-1 goal difference, the historical number of losses and 8th.

One win doesn't make a summer as they say.

This has been the worst season in living memory. One cup win will not wash that off or shine a turd.
Well it did, like it or lump it. It's not one win, it's an entire run of an FA Cup. The benefit of this (outside of adding a major honour to the clubs name) is that we get European football ahead of two teams who finished above us.

We have the same prize as Totttenham with the difference of winning a cup over them.
 
People saying they'll be happy to let McKenna build something will be shown up if we finished 8th under him. The knives would be firmly out.
It’s utter tripe, otherwise there would be an acceptance that this season has been awful for injuries, we dealt with off field issues and disciplinary issues which will affect squad morale and performance and based on 2/2 trophy winning seasons we should back ten Hag to ‘build something’ with the support of INEOS. However that is never going to happen, because a spoilt entitled minority in our fanbase who expect us to be winning the league every year also seem to be the loudest when it comes to complaining and reading the manager down, whoever that might be.
 
Match going sentiment is significantly for him. Polls significantly for him. Brief from a reputable journalist suggests the same.
No it isn't, he's the only United manager of my 20 years as a ST holder to be boo'd on multiple occasions in one season when making the wrong substitution.

When the dust has settled on the cup win, many will realise that this season has not been good enough at all.

19 losses over one campaign, in which we embarrassed ourselves in the CL is not good enough.

An 8th place finish and an FA Cup win is not a successful season and it is one in which we've regressed.
 
If we stick by him, I'll back him fully. My feelings have never changed that I want him to be a success here and do well, my belief has just really wittled down to very little sadly.
 
It's very flawed logic to be honest.

Mourinho has proven to be a much better manager than Tuchel. He's past it though, he's peaked, and you're only as good as your last stint as manager.
Tuchel's stock is low, he's abrasive and I think his past 2 years at Bayern have certainly been a worse demonstration than Ten Hags last 2 seasons at United, on full balance.

You can think what you want. I watch Tuchel teams and they have never, ever looked as tactically inept as we have for basically a full season.

I don't share your faith that Ten Hag will suddenly stop being tactically inept and would take a manager that has won either the league or champions league in his last 3 jobs above that.
 
It's a massive gamble for Ineos to sack ETH after yesterday.
You beat arguably the best team in Europe, and champions, with a really good performance and had back to back trophy seasons.
It's blindingly obvious to everyone that the players have been a shambles, and with key players injured physically or mentally, you are trying to get a tune out of an over loaded squad.
Your job is under constant scrutiny, even when it's going well you've got people calling for your head.
The whole club structure changes mid-season and the new bosses are analysing your every move, everyone in this forum would be massively effected if they came under that scrutiny at work. I also really put big parts of our poor on pitch performances down to this disturbance, including many of our late brain parts at Chelsea, Coventry, Brentford. The players basically sh*t their pants. Coventry was unforgiveable.

Any manager would be struggling, it's so easy to just point the finger at ETH but nothing seems to of gone right for us this year. Imagine if he just had to focus on the team instead of the constant swirling BS

He also isn't blameless, I don't argue that. I think his biggest problems have been falling out with every single player at some point or other but to be fair to him, they all deserved it anyway.

Why would we bother bringing a new manager in? Who would of flourished in this environment? Klopp has half the drama at Pool & he's decided to quit.

I think we should be realistic in what we expected of ETH, 8th place isn't good enough but when he has the bullets he can do the job..

Ten Hag likes to comment how bad the club was when he took over as a way to insulate himself from the 8th place finish. He neglects to mention that we actually finished 2nd, 3rd, and 3rd in the preceding 5 years. I would give him a pass if we finished 5th this year, but finishing 8th and having one of the worst seasons in nearly half a century is more than enough to sack him immediately. We sacked LvG for finishing 5th after winning the FA Cup and dismissed Jose even though he won us the EL, so it wouldn't at all be unusual to get rid of a manager for anermic league results even though they managed a cup along the way.
 
No it isn't, he's the only United manager of my 20 years as a ST holder to be boo'd on multiple occasions in one season when making the wrong substitution.

When the dust has settled on the cup win, many will realise that this season has not been good enough at all.

19 losses over one campaign, in which we embarrassed ourselves in the CL is not good enough.

An 8th place finish and an FA Cup win is not a successful season and it is one in which we've regressed.
I heard boos during Jose. and some during LVG days. Ole too but he got way more patience being a club legend.

Im not a St holder but float at different ends when I get tickets. I've been at the Stretford end and south stand with some games in the gods. The view on ten hag was consistent in being for him. This included some losses such as Palace and Brighton.
 
Sure, ask some concise questions (maximum of 3 and a limit of 200 characters) and I will respond at some point tomorrow morning or afternoon.
  1. You think Leverkusen are better than 2013 treble winning Bayern?
  2. You think Leverkusen are “factually” the second best team ever because of unbeaten season/points so you think Arsenal 2004 are better than United 1999?
  3. As I apparently quote in the wrong (?) way, what’s the right way?
 
Ten Hag likes to comment how bad the club was when he took over as a way to insulate himself from the 8th place finish. He neglects to mention that we actually finished 2nd, 3rd, and 3rd in the preceding 5 years. I would give him a pass if we finished 5th this year, but finishing 8th and having one of the worst seasons in nearly half a century is more than enough to sack him immediately. We sacked LvG for finishing 5th after winning the FA Cup and dismissed Jose even though he won us the EL, so it wouldn't at all be unusual to get rid of a manager for anermic league results even though they managed a cup along the way.

Add to that, by every statistic that is measured we were actually extremely lucky to finish in 8th and quite lucky to finish in the top 10.

Standards are on the 7th layer of hell beneath the floor.
 
We’re calling Ligue 1 farmer’s league where trophies shouldn’t be counted but we should instead count the Eredivisie and the Dutch Cup as achievements worth mentioning? That seems hypocritical to me.
 
Ten Hag likes to comment how bad the club was when he took over as a way to insulate himself from the 8th place finish. He neglects to mention that we actually finished 2nd, 3rd, and 3rd in the preceding 5 years. I would give him a pass if we finished 5th this year, but finishing 8th and having one of the worst seasons in nearly half a century is more than enough to sack him immediately. We sacked LvG for finishing 5th after winning the FA Cup and dismissed Jose even though he won us the EL, so it wouldn't at all be unusual to get rid of a manager for anermic league results even though they managed a cup along the way.
So he should be sacked but if he’d had half a dozen more points and got fifth, you’d give him a pass?
 
So he should be sacked but if he’d had half a dozen more points and got fifth, you’d give him a pass?

If any United manager goes from 3rd place to 8th in one year after spending a near record amount on new players, then they should be sacked. Each of our other post Fergie managers were correctly sacked for poor results, so ETH shouldn't be exempt from the same scrutiny.
 
Mate, you're just coping. Tuchel isn't an upgrade on anything. You just want ETH out, so you're overlooking all of Tuchel's shortcomings because the fact of the matter is that there is not a single manager out there that is available which can improve us.

Tuchel is a weird one. His trophies have all been in either been in farmer's league A with PSG or farmer's league B with Bayern. In both these teams he underperformed. He never won the CL for PSG and he finished 3rd in a 2 horse race with Bayern. The year before that he scrapped past Dortmund(finishing level points mostly because Dortmund chocked in the last day of the season).

Now his famed CL comes when he arrived in the middle of the season with Chelsea. The reason I bring that up is that Chelsea has only reached a CL final when their manager was appointed mid-season: Grant(runner's up in the league and CL to us) and Di Matteo. The fact that he hasn't won anything of significance after that final just proves that he is a good coach, but not an immediate upgrade on ETH.
Kind of like how you're ignoring all of Ten Hag's shortcomings because you've decided to blindly back him like a good top red.
 
For sure, but where is the logic he's going to take 4 steps further forward? It's a huge gamble.

I mean where was the logic that Arteta would be the guy to finally turn Arsenal into contenders again? Where's the logic that Zidane would be able to elevate Real to 3 straight UCL titles? Both didn't even manage a club before getting those jobs (Zidane managed Castilla but that hardly counts).

My point is you make educated risks with any hire, and if the plan from INEOS is: "We are going to get much younger, ship out a good portion of the current squad, and build through the wonderkids we buy with a long term view" then McKenna is an excellent option to oversee that as a modern progressive manager that has very good handling of young players. It's not a complete dart throw like you suggest it is. On the flip side, if the plan is to rebuild and get back into the top 4 ASAP while retaining much of the current squad then yeah McKenna would be a strange choice. Tuchel would be the best option for that route.
 
If any United manager goes from 3rd place to 8th in one year after spending a near record amount on new players, then they should be sacked. Each of our other post Fergie managers were correctly sacked for poor results, so ETH shouldn't be exempt from the same scrutiny.
This really should be taken out of the argument. Ten Hag didn’t set the price or negotiate on behalf of the club. He can be critiqued (not criticised) for his target players but the price has nothing to do with him.
Its others who through lack of experience either bend over and pay over the odds or simply give in to the manager without any checks or balances along the way. The club did this long before ten hag arrived and hopefully INEOS will get a grip of it.
 
The injuries excuse makes me dislike him. We finished 8th. Finishing miles off the top 4 with a -1 goal difference tells me that even if we had everyone fit we’d still be miles off challenging for the league, which he should be reminded is where we want to be. We did the whole scraping top 4 and winning a trophy last year.
 
  1. You think Leverkusen are better than 2013 treble winning Bayern?
  2. You think Leverkusen are “factually” the second best team ever because of unbeaten season/points so you think Arsenal 2004 are better than United 1999?
  3. As I apparently quote in the wrong (?) way, what’s the right way?

Excellently formatted questions.

1. No which is why I named the side you are referring to as the best in the post you quoted where I named Leverkusen as the second best.
2. Statistically they had the second ever highest points total and were "invincible" so they are definitely in the discussion but yes I'll hold my hands up and say I didn't watch a lot of the Bundesliga in the 1960's. They definitely had a special season.
3. You post long rambling messages where you post back and forth about various points made in the post you are replying to with very little distinction. You also switch between sarcasm and coherent serious points with very little to differentiate the tone. Have no idea if this is how you usually post but that's my experience. There is the performance review.
 
No I just think he has clearly shown himself to be a better manager than Ten Hag. You can disagree, I can't be bothered going back and forth with 10 people all typing 5 paragraphs per message.

If you were pleased with what was offered up by Ten Hag last season then I'm genuinely pleased for you.
Not pleased, far from it. But I also understand that our club is very unique in the regard that money suits ran it into the ground with their corporate asset value nonsense.

He is slowly clearing out the troublemakers and celebrity star players in favor of professional and hungry pros. Not comparing him to SAF, but ETH is doing a clearout of sorts and reseting our club culture. The difference is that instead of alchoolics, we are getting rid of social media "stars" and players who are here just to earn a paycheck.

Looking at the likes of Hojlund, Garnacho, Kambawala, Mainoo makes my heart fill with joy. That's why I want ETH to continue what he is doing. The man has his heart set in the right place and the players seem to agree with it.
 
Excellently formatted questions.

1. No which is why I named the side you are referring to as the best in the post you quoted where I named Leverkusen as the second best.
2. Statistically they had the second ever highest points total and were "invincible" so they are definitely in the discussion but yes I'll hold my hands up and say I didn't watch a lot of the Bundesliga in the 1960's. They definitely had a special season.
3. You post long rambling messages where you post back and forth about various points made in the post you are replying to with very little distinction. You also switch between sarcasm and coherent serious points with very little to differentiate the tone. Have no idea if this is how you usually post but that's my experience. There is the performance review.
No reply to 2 (Arsenal v us) or 3 (how to quote - you didn’t say post).

And didn’t mention Bund 60s.
 
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