Really? Seems clear enough
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Really? Seems clear enough
Ah ok, well in that case he should be the favourite. McKenna does seem the bookies favourite at the minute though, but that doesn't mean much.
My issue with replacing Erik, is that the supposed list of replacements for his job, are not any better than him. I would rather we kept him, give him some structure and style to implement and see what happens. If there’s no improvement next year, then replace him.
Well we have no idea if they have yet. We have to hope they do, but doesn't mean we can't question some of the decisions, considering they haven't got a track record of success.
And the issue that many have had with Ten Hag this season, me included, is that he has made us easy to beat. It’s only in the last few games he’s adapted his approach. For most of the season he’s stubbornly stuck with a set up that’s left our defence massively exposed. Even when having to cobble together a second choice back four due to injuries, he still refused to adjust his set up to offer us more protection and therefore make us harder to beat. That above all else, has been his great undoing.
Tuchel and Poch are both upgrades. McKenna could even be Ashworth's preferred choice for all we know.
Whoever it is, if they dont make progress they get sacked and we try someone else. That's what top clubs do. It's not complicated.
If you dont like that, stop worshipping managers and stop getting too emotionally invested in them.
Whoever it is, if they dont make progress they get sacked and we try someone else. That's what top clubs do. It's not complicated.
If you dont like that, stop worshipping managers and stop getting too emotionally invested in them.
Upgrades? No chance in hell they are. I’d rather McKenna before them.
That's funny, because not long ago the opinion was that we shouldn't change manager until we have the magical structure in place, or that he needs this to do his job well. And it seems like they are, unofficially, working together. But now we should actually question the decisions of that structure, should they decide to sack him?
100% agreed. That's why that Ogen's opinion is too simplistic, imho (unless that poster quoting Ogen wrongly). Manager need to adapt their tactic. Our tactic against City was a perfect example of that.
I don't care if they decide to sack him, that's a valid decision. Who they replace him with is definitely up for discussion
I'll personally never be okay with coming 8th.
Coming 8th whilst looking extremely lucky to finish in that position is objectively worse than finishing 8th but looking like you are building a sustainable style of play that will push you to far greater heights.
I imagine that is the worst case scenario they are discussing.
But I was responding to specifically united having 27% possession against city. It is not a stick to beat Ten Hag with, as Ancelotti did it too, and much better than Madrid that received 33 shots.
Finding the idea that Tuchel is a better manager than Ten Hag laughable undermines nearly any point you make about Erik as you've shown that you objectively overrate him.
The poll now is close to 50-50. Something happened yesterday apart from winning a single game? 25% swing just because of a win? Some of us really deserves one more season like the current one.
Are you trying to tell me that going from PL champion to finishing 7th, while being comfortably beaten home and away by all our rivals while your manager is telling his own fan base that we should strive to be more like an oil club that hasn't achieve anything is somehow better than winning an FA Cup and stopping your domestic plastic club from doing a double simply because we finished 1 position lower and scored fewer league goals?
Giving Ten Hag more time would be the biggest sign that the new management structure isn’t going to make the same short sighted decisions as we have been subjected to the last decade.
We could sack him and get in any number for managers, but there’s no guarantee that in 3 years we will be any better off then we will be if we keep ETH for the same amount of time.
The league campaign was shite, and imo injuries were definitely the biggest contributor. Ten Hag made other mistakes too, but some of the starting 11’s we were forced to put out were mid table quality, especially in defence. Just yesterday we saw just how much difference the starting CB’s make, and we still didn’t even have a LB.
In my book, he has enough goodwill with the cup wins and EL qualification that he deserves the chance to prove he can get us back to looking good again, as we did much of his first season.
If we are still shite in November, he will be gone anyway. I don’t see that missing out on any of the candidates being considered now is that big a deal.
I’m also of the opinion that the new management might want to keep him anyway even if he is dead man walking. If they boot him now and bring someone in who doesn’t hit the ground running, it’s all on them. If they give him a chance and it carries on more of the same, then it’s on Ten Hag really.
We could sack him and get in any number for managers, but there’s no guarantee that in 3 years we will be any better off then we will be if we keep ETH for the same amount of time.
The league campaign was shite, and imo injuries were definitely the biggest contributor. Ten Hag made other mistakes too, but some of the starting 11’s we were forced to put out were mid table quality, especially in defence. Just yesterday we saw just how much difference the starting CB’s make, and we still didn’t even have a LB.
In my book, he has enough goodwill with the cup wins and EL qualification that he deserves the chance to prove he can get us back to looking good again, as we did much of his first season.
If we are still shite in November, he will be gone anyway. I don’t see that missing out on any of the candidates being considered now is that big a deal.
I’m also of the opinion that the new management might want to keep him anyway even if he is dead man walking. If they boot him now and bring someone in who doesn’t hit the ground running, it’s all on them. If they give him a chance and it carries on more of the same, then it’s on Ten Hag really.
If use their logic on Ten Hag and we sign another manager, anything below 4th he should be sacked on the spot then.
At what point do you start questioning the structure above the manager though? we've been rubbish for 10 years and have been through various managers, at some point we surely have to look beyond the dugout.
For me its symptom vs cause, the problem is far deeper than the manager, changing 1 person isnt going to fix the problem.
OK that's fair enough. We'll have our opinions but, as I said, at least we're trusting the judgement of guys who specialise in this now and not an ex banker who is influenced by fan sentiment and his own ego.
Like the other poster, you're bringing cups into something that was never the topic. And Ten Hag has broken numerous negative records. There is no season post SAF that is "way worse" than this league campaign.
There's nobody in here who isn't questioning the structure above the manager.
You understand that the structure above the manager literally changed and has been changing since the start of the year?
Are you not keeping up or? Of course we will have to see how it works out but that's a crazy question to ask.
Now it's 55% votes to sack him and 45% to keep him and could be 50-50% over next days as it seems to be getting closer with ever since the Cup Final win.
Going through our results this season and there are so many poor ones. Wolves at home, Brighton at home, Palace at home, Brentford at home, Bournemouth at home, Forest away, Fulham at home, Brenford away, Bournemouth away, Burnley at home, Palace away. That's league. Plus Newcastle at home in League Cup, Galatasaray at home and away, Copenhagen at home, Newport City away. That's 15 poor performances. Plenty of average games as well and uncovincing wins (home vs Forest, Everton, Luton, West Ham,away to Burnley, Sheffield United, Fulham, Everton etc).
Same for me and it's why my vote on here remains No still. He showed he can adapt like Liverpool and City away and City yesterday. Have no problem with Spurs and Arsenal away games either. However, most of the other games we just looked too open, conceding shots and chances and having no control of the game, getting dominated by opposition.
Going through our results this season and there are so many poor ones. Wolves at home, Brighton at home, Palace at home, Brentford at home, Bournemouth at home, Forest away, Fulham at home, Brenford away, Bournemouth away, Burnley at home, Palace away. That's league. Plus Newcastle at home in League Cup, Galatasaray at home and away, Copenhagen at home, Newport City away. That's 15 poor performances. Plenty of average games as well and uncovincing wins (home vs Forest, Everton, Luton, West Ham,away to Burnley, Sheffield United, Fulham, Everton etc).
I would give him another year but it’s clear Ten Hag is 100% gone. INEOS will let the dust settle and announce it whilst he’s on holiday, maybe give it ten days or so. Makes it look a bit more respectful for both parties. Now down to who they chose, Poch or McKenna.
Well that's what football is all about isn't it getting emotionally invested. What's the point of supporting a club otherwise.
'Don't get invested in the manager situation' says the guy with over 1,000 posts in this thread
Pep has also said that Foden is the best talent he's ever coached or that Man Utd didn't deserve to win yesterday. He can be wrong when he wants to.
His words after such a defeat mean feck all
Not what City did. Not what Arsenal did. Not what Liverpool did.
Tuchel has fecked it royally with Bayern, more so than Ten Hag did this season with United. How you go 3rd in a two horse league is insane, and to be knocked out of the domestic Cup from a third division side too. Insane.
Of course i understand that and thats exactly my point, the manager has been working under a poor structure since he joined the club and whilst he is bearing the brunt of a lot of fan anger, for me its misdirected.
Curious about what Ineos will do. Can’t please everyone, that’s for sure.
That's been the sentiment in this thread all season from some people. Anyone who wants the manager out is an idiot and a bad person.
Of course, that sentiment doesn't apply to players or other club employees. Sack all of them without a second thought!
Times are changing; look at possession teams getting knocked out of cups left and right. Cheaty in CL and FA cup, Leverkusen in EL, Barcelona.
Football is moving on again.
Both were poor last season. Tuchel at least produced good football that makes sense.
Tuchel has clearly, without doubt shown more as a manager than Ten Hag at this stage. If you honestly find it laughing emoji worthy then like I said you are so biased towards Ten Hag then it is pointless trying to get any balanced view from you.
Dan Ashworth is not going to explain to Erik that playing 1 player in central midfield and a deep back line for a year whilst getting exposed every week is self destructive insanity any more than Ed Woodward would.
If the alternatives looked at are fecking Tuchel and Pochettino then keep ETH. Personally I'm rooting for De Zerbi but at the end of the day, I couldn't care less. I don't have energy for this
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously in this thread
Neither would be massive upgrades.
Top clubs like Real and Bayern are better run on the footballing side than Utd have been for over 10 years now, you have to get to a point where the structure and squad are in a position to seriously challenge for the league before this approach has any real merit. Otherwise you end up going round in circles like Utd have been for a long time now.
Whether the club sacks or keeps ETH, I'm almost certain it's going to be 2-3 years before a serious title challenge is a possibility.
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