Standards were a lot higher then. I think we just haven’t been the same since it all we went bad under Ole. Even last season. We had a very favourable draw in the Cup and had a really good spell mid season. But there were signs then that Ten Hag needed to be questioned. His in game management is his biggest problem. He cant change a game or see one out. His record against the bigger teams in the league is abysmal. Even Ole got a few wins over City.
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Standards were a lot higher then. I think we just haven’t been the same since it all we went bad under Ole. Even last season. We had a very favourable draw in the Cup and had a really good spell mid season. But there were signs then that Ten Hag needed to be questioned. His in game management is his biggest problem. He cant change a game or see one out. His record against the bigger teams in the league is abysmal. Even Ole got a few wins over City.
Yeah sadly I think you're right.
Then it won’t be potter and Southgate if they won’t give someone time to learn.
Possibly, or maybe they decided to finally start listening to Ten Hag 3 games from the end of the season?
The wild theories people on here concoct in defence of ETH.
Are you talking about ETH or LVG?
Yes irrespective.
Too much evidence against him, I asked him what about the final and he said they couldn't look at how it's gone so far and keep him.
There is a bigger plan than immediate results and it doesn't include the current failings at the club.
Take a step back and look at the facts, forget the mitigating circumstances.
Injuries have been managed horribly and the hierarchy has a completely different vision for the club than what we think currently as fans.
In 12 months the club will be unrecognisable from today whether good or bad who knows but manager staff, coaches, players all different.
Negative because we've lost 19 games and have -4 goal difference in the league, with a useless manager and no absolute guarantee even now he'll go. And set to throw an FA cup chance like we threw away European football.
Today was just meh. Arsenal very happy to win 1-0 and let us have the ball because we're so abysmal with it.
I'll be happier watching United if we have a manager trying to get us playing good football. Spurs and Villa have worse squads and 20+ more xG from open play. Says it all. Their managers are competent and have styles that work, and even if things are far from perfect, at least they get some good games of football to watch every season.
We get about 3 watchable games a season and each one has been followed by a horrible rout.
Exactly 11 years since this
The most damaging event in the last 50 years or so when it comes to this club.
All the coaches out there we've been linked with are used to managing all aspects of the club. Potter will be an easy appointment as a guy who just comes in and tries to improve the first team as head coach, nothing more. I honestly couldn't care who it is any more, just get someone else in and if it doesn't work then sack them after a couple of seasons. There's no point in this "give them 5 years and 20 new players" nonsense every time we get a new manager.
Sadly not they definitely were in discussion with Nagelsman but they have been with many managers , took the same approach with Berrada Wilcox and Ashworth.
Dunno who you are but like you already. Do not disappoint us.
The club sent Moyes packing less than a year later... and basically sacked LvG on the day he won a cup final. The good ol' days of our banter era.
Good ol' Days?....
We are a banter club
The worrying part is I don't think there's a manager in the world, as well as the question as to whether INEO can sort the shite from the decent, that gets this squad to a standard of only losing 5 or so games ALL SEASON. That is, whether we like it or not, the standard to which the likes of City, Liverpool, and now Arsenal are working with.
And when have we had a significant attacking threat?
I'm convinced the "players will throw the next manager under the bus" line to advocate for ten Hag staying has become a meme now. It's been countered too many times - in the exact same thread - for it not to be just said for the reactions.
I think some of them willfully ignore it so they can continue the narrative that this is all on the players and not Ten Hag's fault.
Wasn't it canceled a couple of years ago too?
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Fair enough.
Sometimes I think the meh can be a step in the right direction.
When have we had significant attacking options?
Who would you say has been anywhere near the level of Salah, Kane, Son, Haaland etc for us in recent history?
As in... we were shit, but at least we knew it and acted accordingly. Moyes and LvG were both shown the door in ruthless fashion. Now we drag our feet.
In 2022 yes.
Only three more games until the pillock is gone.
Fingers crossed
It’s a nice and compact formation, the defensive line was higher and the forwards weren’t camping in the opposition box to create a gulf in midfield. As a result there was always a midfielder closer by to make a challenge every time a ball was lost. We had enough penetration from wide players, the fullbacks were in more familiar places to overlap and create attacking spaces.
Against a worse defensive team, which is pretty much the rest of the league and Bruno’s quality on the ball, we could well have scored. This is a recipe that can consistently win games, may not be the league but enough to finish higher than Villa and spurs.
Might as well make it an annual non-event at this point
‘These players’
Did you not know they'd won 20 PL titles in the last 2 years?
Arsenal played full on tempo until they got the goal they wanted. After that they were happy to take the foot off the gas and make it hard to break them down, they knew our best chance was hitting them on the counter attack if they were open so they simply closed up. It was a professional job by them.
I don’t blame ETH for today aside from it’s his group of players and thrust came up short. But tactically was much better today and there is no shame losing to Arsenal.
however that’s our 19th defeat of the season and he should be removed for that alone
When even a moron like Merson can see what's going on with Ten Hag, you have to wonder what's wrong with those still attempting to defend him
Merson has just said ten Hag has the power of the Men In Black reset pen the way he dupes so many after each shocking game we play.
Should be sacked this season and the club will benefit. I don't think Erik is entirely a bad manager but United is too big a step for him.
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I for one will be glad to just know the final decision.
If he stays, ok, not perfect but let’s see what he can do with a bit of help.
If he goes, ok, not perfect but let’s see what the new guy can do with a bit of help.
That’s about where my brain is right now.
If he stays, ok, not perfect but let’s see what he can do with a bit of help.
If he goes, ok, not perfect but let’s see what the new guy can do with a bit of help.
That’s about where my brain is right now.
I'm convinced they're just enjoying the attention now. There's no way you can't be annoyed by what's happening if you're a United fan. It's either that or total delusion at this point. Like what do they seriously think is going to happen next season?
The only good thing that could come out of this awful run we are having is SJR and his team will realise the problems we have are probably bigger than they imagined and work to get things sorted might move a little faster.
What do you mean a 'bit of help'? What help do you think Ten Hag would be getting next season and how do you think it would improve things?
Yeah, I remember thinking that was the nadir and we could only go up from that point. Alas.
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