Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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The problem has been Ten Hag's suicide tactics not egos. Ronaldo isn't here.
Pep finished 3rf in his first season and the next they've were champions. He did not change his squad in one season; he tweaked and adjusted to them initially with tactics, man management and bringing the best out of them.
Klopp may not have reached top 2 immediately but the signs were there for everyone to see that they were improving and would soon reach where they are currently. I know Liverpool fans were rightfully optimistic with what they were seeing.
With ETH, there are no signs at all that we are headed for big things even when everyone was fit earlier in the season. This despite making many signings like Antony, Onana et al; players who previously played under him. Great managers adapt to the situation and the players they have; they don't give pathetic excuses. They also buy the right players (no manager is perfect) for the system they want to play because they know exactly what they are doing and what they want. This feck spent £86 M on Antony, a championship level player.
If they don't fire him (they should right away imo), they shouldn't extend his contract, so he doesn't have a big pay day without working for it.
It's really laughable. It really can't get worse than this.What he's gonna do, finish 15th? It's fascinating to me how highly some people still rate him.
He was just giving pathetic excuses. Everyone wants Kane, he isn't a genius for saying that and even City with all their financial doping failed to.sign him. Antony is definitely his signing as is onana, as is Amrabat, Eriksen, Werghorst, Malacia.
I agree that he had no chance of getting the likes of Kane or Rice and/or other genuinely world class players; partly for financial reasons and partly because they want to join better teams. My point is that this can be said for 99% of all managers. Villa, Newcastle or Spurs aren't signing players like that, yet their managers are outperforming ETH. Neither are Liverpool. If you need world class players to even begin to put together a viable system then that's the manager's fault.
That remains to be seen. He will have the benefit of a better structure behind him and frankly, they won't have to do much for us to better next season than we have been this.
I don't disagree with the premise that he's had a difficult job and bad luck, but It's interesting that you don't offer any positive case for him staying other than, "nobody can succeed". Doesn't say a lot about what he's done.
Mark my words they'll both play less than half the available games next season
Agreed, after they went ahead they were extremely conservative and didn't have any real reason to risk the lead to add more goals.
Are you winding us up?
Merson has just said ten Hag has the power of the Men In Black reset pen the way he dupes so many after each shocking game we play.
Probably the most insightful thing Merson's ever said, to be honest
Today was the result we all expected, just not as depressing as the others recently as it had the bonus of putting pressure on City.
The players just look like they've given up entirely and are playing out the season in 2nd gear.
8th place is an embarrassment, no matter what the injuries, and we have been entirely dismantled by teams well below our apparent level.
We all thought ETH was going to be the reboot we needed, but he's bought poorly and not got the best or even close to the best out of the squad he has.
Afraid he has to go in the summer... unless it's for Southgate, then he can stay.
The players just look like they've given up entirely and are playing out the season in 2nd gear.
8th place is an embarrassment, no matter what the injuries, and we have been entirely dismantled by teams well below our apparent level.
We all thought ETH was going to be the reboot we needed, but he's bought poorly and not got the best or even close to the best out of the squad he has.
Afraid he has to go in the summer... unless it's for Southgate, then he can stay.
I'm actually not continually defending him. I've said a fair bit of criticism and landed on the side that I have no qualms with those wanting him sacked.
My posts however are cherry picked, where the only the ones that give context (not to play down to his own performance) would be flagged as some sort of Ten Hag sympathsiser. The biggest problem is those wanting ten hag out is they are essentially a mob with pitch forks, annoyed at any view that's not as extreme as wanting the man stoned.
Here's an example of some more exaggeration.
I can imagine similar comments being made about Fergie in the early years and Arteta by Arsenal fans a few years ago. They stuck by Arteta and have gotten their reward. There is a virtue in being patient.
That and how he didn't even have a carpet in his house because he was too busy down the bookies.
Probably the most insightful thing Merson's ever said, to be honest
For a predominantly left leaning forum I think it’s incredible how much people don’t like it when someone has a different opinion or perspective.
They genuinely can’t handle it.
Oh what a surprise, he's gone for the "compare with Fergie" AND "compare with Arteta" routes.
You could see what Arteta was trying though. He got them playing better football but they were leaky at the back.
We're just leaky at the back.
I get wanting Ten Hag out, but do you really think today's game was "shocking", all things considered?
Merson has just said ten Hag has the power of the Men In Black reset pen the way he dupes so many after each shocking game we play.
Yeah, the overarching problem has predominantly been tactical. That’s why the injury stuff has been a non-point. Shaw, Licha, and Varane being fit all season would be nice and we’d probably do slightly better because they are higher quality players, but that tactical setup we’ve been playing for 99% of the season was failing irrespective of who was available.
I love it when somebody pops in here and acts like he's making the most original, well thought-out argument, but it actually turns out it's just a rehashed cliche that's been repeated at least a million times over the last 11 years
“It’s the players”
“Do you remember how it was under SAF at the start?”
“Look at team X, be patient”
Keep going. Blame the Glazers and you’ve gone 4 for 4 and win a kenwood juicer.
You are INEOS, you come in and see how backward this club is compared to other English top clubs. It's currently flooding and waterfalls at Old Trafford after the Arsenal game. If that's what you and I see on TV, what do you think it must be like behind the scene? The pools, gyms, training facilities, kitchen, etc. Any wonder why we have such a high number of injuries season after season, disgruntled players and even a legend organising an interview to dunk on us? Erik ten Hag should be sacked in my opinion, but let us not kid ourselves into thinking the next manager will perform a miracle or that INEOS putting football men in charge will transform things so fast. We are where managers and player careers come to die. High financial incentive, low sporting drive. This club is finished thanks to the Glazers. It will need a resurrecting and that will be a miracle at this rate. The INEOS project will truly kick in in 3 years at least and by then Erik will be long gone and Manchester United would be at least 40% into it's reset. For now it's absolute dog rubbish.
You're missing "we're not a sacking club, go support Chelsea or Real"
Not sure if you realised, but Mourinho actually used to manage United. Minor initial success then utterly woeful transfers and went out miserably leaving us in an absolute mess.
I really hope you didn't realise and aren't just a ridiculous poster
Comparing ETH to SAF
. This fecking placeIf I was manager I'd turn into SAF or Arteta after a few years too.
You’re either trolling, pissed up or your full name is Daniel Ten Hag because that is a ludicrous take.
Indeed I don't think there was much he could do. At one point we were looking quite strong in sixth with a chance to push for a champion's league place. Then another wave of injury and exhaustion took us down and we've never looked worse. I fully believe he will get sacked in the summer. I just don't think it will fix much.
Danny boy must be joking and laughing himself silly that we take him seriously
That doesn’t negate my point. Because I’ve also seen what you post…
Tell me you don't know anything about the left without saying you don't know anything about the left. Off topic, but whatevs.
We tolerate your delusion, but when your opinion was in the ascendency me, @Samid, @el3mel and others had to deal with mods shutting down threads, polls, warning and banning users.
I get we've had unprecedented injuries but I refuse to believe we don't have anyone in the youth teams who can step up as opposed to playing AWB out of position and the ever underperforming Casemiro at CB.
In the context of how we usually get battered, I was pleased to not be humiliated and mauled in this game.
If I take off my United goggles and look at the game without the red tints on, we were objectively poor, which isn't shocking but still not to standard.
Only got 2nd Half but that was so bad to watch.
Is all we can do is get it out to Garnacho and hope for the best.
We are so badly coached, no patterns to our attacking play.
We never seem to whip in crosses when we get chance to. Why can't we just put crosses instead of cutting back and playing it backwards.
I'm all for getting in a new coach that can play different system. 3-1-4-2 or 3-4-3 with attacking Wingbacks.
Get coach in and get the essential players in to play the new system.
4-3-3 is dire with this current crop of players.
Is all we can do is get it out to Garnacho and hope for the best.
We are so badly coached, no patterns to our attacking play.
We never seem to whip in crosses when we get chance to. Why can't we just put crosses instead of cutting back and playing it backwards.
I'm all for getting in a new coach that can play different system. 3-1-4-2 or 3-4-3 with attacking Wingbacks.
Get coach in and get the essential players in to play the new system.
4-3-3 is dire with this current crop of players.
Every post on this thread should contain these words. Magical thinking of the fanbase is part of the problem.
Exactly. Makes ETH actually look worse!
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These posts coming one after another did make me chuckle.
Regardless I dont think today’s performance is the one to be entirely derisory or critical of.
We have evidence again that he can set up to defend if needed but that our issue is doing so whilst also maintaining a significant attacking threat.
That comes down to player quality and availability in my book.
Have we ever had such terrible luck with injuries as we have had this season. We had our first four choice center backs and both left backs out, and this was not just a sporadic occurrence either. Add in all the other injury problems we are having, it isn't really a surprise to see us struggling.
Ten Hag's issue is that once we lost our key players to injuries, he should have changed our style of play to be less open but he refused to do so.
Ten Hag's issue is that once we lost our key players to injuries, he should have changed our style of play to be less open but he refused to do so.
Chucked away this season
His set up makes no sense. He had eriksen/casemiro/Bruno working last season before eriksens injury derailed him
All we needed to do was get a better casemiro and better eriksen and stick to the similar approach. Instead this whole vacate the midfield nonsense
Also I hate his like for like subs. Were losing at home 1-0. Instead of taking off a striker for a striker why not put two up? Bleh
The worst thing was maybe those last ten or so minutes. Our players looked clueless on what to do in attack. It was basically give it to garnacho and hope he can do something
All we needed to do was get a better casemiro and better eriksen and stick to the similar approach. Instead this whole vacate the midfield nonsense
Also I hate his like for like subs. Were losing at home 1-0. Instead of taking off a striker for a striker why not put two up? Bleh
The worst thing was maybe those last ten or so minutes. Our players looked clueless on what to do in attack. It was basically give it to garnacho and hope he can do something
Setting up the team for failure for no good reason. Really exacerbating the weaknesses of a number of our players by making them overextend and do things they can't do. Making Casemiro run in acres of space when at his time in career cycle the distances he should cover should be even shorter - there's a reason why you put runners around the older legs and have them read the play and sweep up, ala Real with Kroos. The list is endless.
Even if his grand plan was to switch to the system he has in his head, he had absolutely no need to do it this season and so abruptly, and with the incorrect personnel. Playing conventional football, we aren't half as bad as some seem to think. Even if Rashford was carrying us in terms of goals last season, we were harder to play against and more able to keep opponents out whilst foraging for goals ourselves. He literally took all of that away from the team in one fell swoop, then put ill-suited players in positions to run his own system prematurely, and that tanked us.
We mightn't have gotten 4th ultimately, but we would have made a very fair crack of it if he hadn't dicked around to such an extreme extent. He showed awful, awful foresight in moving his pieces too soon, also.
People on the left tend to be more liberal minded no? Are you saying that's wrong?
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