Very true but yet he won't be sacked just a couple of days after the game like Ole was
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Very true but yet he won't be sacked just a couple of days after the game like Ole was
Fair point, but how does that square with the majority of the Caf creaming themselves for ten Hag just 2 seasons ago? When it looked like we would sign Poch there were grown men crying in this forum screaming for ten Hag instead.
It also doesn’t tally with what we saw in his first season at the club. Obviously it went downhill a bit after the LC final, but the mood was so different this time last season. He can’t just have become poor overnight, and a new manager bounce doesn’t last an entire season.
So why is it so hard for some fans to understand their must be a middle ground that explains the current situation, other factors and mitigating circumstances (not excuses mind) that are making the job difficult whoever is in charge and it’s not simply a case of the manager is shit, ship him.
I think if Bayern go out on wednesday, there could be some movement on Tuchel, but we'll see.
Yeah no leaks says he is safe for Arsenal which is a scary thought considering what they are capable of looking at this season. Just look at players talking behind hands last night to see we should give it McClaren for last 4 games.
Well I don't think you have to square it. Fans on a football forum aren't a marker of knowledge. They overrated him at Ajax and overrated his first season. As did out chief exec etc.
He needs to be put out of his misery. Letting him see out the cup final is just setting him up for further humiliation and damaging his future job prospects.
81 goals conceded this season needs to be made a bigger deal of.
Low quality shots or something wasn't it?
Low quality shots or something wasn't it?
Give it Rene till the end of the season.
I completely agree
My Nan could take over till the end of the season and the results wouldn't be any different
It would be hilarious atleast
Low quality shots can apparently lead to goals against a low quality keeper.
Yeah and that shots against doesn't matter if the results are there.
1. He was the best prospect on the manager market at the time. I don’t know why people seem to think hiring managers is always a sure thing because it almost never is. He got exposed here. It’s okay, happens often at plenty of clubs
2. Tactically last season apart from a few new build up patterns we largely played a style the players were comfortable with, and rode 6 months of top class Rashford/Casemiro form to a league cup before that went down the drain and we limped into the end of the season. But a manager will always be judged on the progress of what he does because as you get further into the job whatever is taking shape becomes YOUR work moreso than anyone else’s.
You take those two things into account and constantly come to new conclusions given new information. It doesn’t have to be “oh well he won a trophy last year there’s no way he’s this bad” when EVERY piece of evidence screams “yes he is” as we get further into his reign
Was the stupidest thing I’ve read here in a while, especially when one glance at any defensive metric tells you the only teams that concede that many shots are the shit ones yet the WUMs in here still defended it
Don’t think I’ve seen pressure build up so quickly. He simply has to go, I’d be really worried about INEOS if they can’t make this decision.
Yeah just put interim in charge for Arsenal,did you not see that player body language last night
The unsackable one.
This. Still boggles my mind that it was defended
Imagine tactics where you allow the other team to shoot at will.
Think he will go but not until after Cup Final
Of course it can. Push the overpaid wasters out the door and sell anyone who will turn a profit. Which seems to be something INEOS get, as it has been reported nearly the entire squad is on the market, except a few of the young prospects.
Get a proper manager in, if they are smart they'd have figured out this step over the last couple of months, then scour the world for good and hungry players. Not everyone needs to cost 100 million. Get a proper head of recruitment before summer, and I'm sure the scouting department already has a good database. The club's network has been receiving unjust abuse in a club where manager input is paramount, and social media following and sentiment are also playing a part in the recruitment process.
Get most of the work done now, and finish it next summer. The whole bit about needing 4-5 years to do this is a myth. Sure, we won't be challenging for everything immediately, but we can begin looking like a proper club next season. But you need the actual resolve to do this and the resourcefulness to see it done. It remains to be seen if this new regime has these things.
I guess we're still in the "jumping in front of bullets to protect the massive corporation" stage for now.
No I just have the common sense to understand that you can’t turn this club around in a few months. The moves for Wilcox and Berrada are proof that we’re heading in the right direction and thankfully INEOS are putting in pieces to prevent corporate men from making footballing decisions. It seems however you’re missing the old Woodward days.
Said it before. It was a reasonable gamble. Even serious football journalists were by and large in support of it as best of feasible options. He was partly lucky, partly more pragmatic last season. Just the wrong type of coach in terms of his partiuclar stubborness around this particular kind of system at this kind of club in this league at this juncture. It might be that he's not well-suited to the PL, at least without a strong SD pressurizing him, full-stop, although there were signs last season that with right players, he could achieve a reasonable style, if one with a ceiling. But with combination of bad recruitment, spearheaded by him, ageing key players, crisis conditions (which new manager bounce can't get around) and his personality weaknesses, it's not working, and no sign it's going to get much better.
Comparison: Emery might well be a better coach overall - he still wasn't right for Arsenal at the time. At a different club with different challenges, having polished his language slightly ( since he didn't take the Bielsa route and do everything via translator, which is commendable, but meant he was compared with Wenger, a natural polyglot etc) he's doing well at Villa. It's rather like relationships - lots of individually great people, just not right for each other at all or at a certain time in their lives after a certain period of time.
I don't think he's a terrible manager and obviously the problems at United go far deeper than just Ten Hag. I do however think that he's completely out of his depth. The job's too big for him.
We need to back him. He needs to be given an attacking coach and a defence coach.
I believe you know what I meant. How many times on this forum we spoke about zombie football ?
We have tried to cover up the cracks for a long time but it is time to accept we are shit and in need of that ''open heart surgery''
And a cup of tea with a masseuse
Might work against Cheaty.
He's had them!! (McCarthy, van der Gaag, McClaren, Ramsey) How many more excuses are this fan base going to afford this guy??!!
Emery would be a far more reasonable choice to replace ten hag then some of the other names mentioned. Just like ten Hag might get a shot at redemption at Bayern, Emery could be given that opportunity here.
He has been heavilly backed and has both a defensive coach and an attacking coach, if INEOS have any interest in us playing European Football next season they need to sack Erik immeadiatley
This is a very reasonable summary, and a fair conclusion. Maybe it’s best for him if he were to move to Bayern/Ajax etc - but I’m still not convinced it’s best for us. Still feels like a rinse and repeat of past mistakes.
He's a shit coach and a miserable looking fraud. He got exposed since he took the biggest job in the world.
Happens all the time that buffoons fail upwards, no need to sugarcoat it
Because he doesn't just deduce his opinions from seeing the games alone.
Stop WUMMING
Isn’t that why he needs the support of the INEOS footballing structure? If he is being let down by the club how is sacking him the answer? Can’t wait for this season to be over but I would still give him till new year to build and see how we fair. I don’t feel like we are at Jose/Ole breaking point with Erik yet.
And a new GK and a 4 new defenders and a CDM and an established striker and a LW and a RW.
Nice another WUM
Some people need to realise that multiple things can be true at the same time: Our squad might be a mess, our culture might be rotten, and our coach might not be up to the job. There is nothing contradictory about believing all three things.
We shouldn't hold on to Ten Hag just because we the other stuff at the club isn't right. The players who aren't up to it should still go. The issues around the running of the club still need resolving. Saying Ten Hag should go is not suggesting it will suddenly turn us into title winners. However, it might take a little while to get to better and Ten Hag is clearly not pragmatic enough to manage us along the way there.
We shouldn't hold on to Ten Hag just because we the other stuff at the club isn't right. The players who aren't up to it should still go. The issues around the running of the club still need resolving. Saying Ten Hag should go is not suggesting it will suddenly turn us into title winners. However, it might take a little while to get to better and Ten Hag is clearly not pragmatic enough to manage us along the way there.
What if he's the one letting the club down? Are the likes of Antony being "let down" by the club and the manager? You could make that same argument using that logic. We do not have to make 100% sure the manager is at fault for everything before sacking him. The simplest explanation is always the most likely - the club is run poorly and Ten Hag isn't up to the job as well.
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