They've sold it to me.
Sack him and Mitchell van der Gaag today, and have McLaren till the end of the season. Bring in Phelan to help him.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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They've sold it to me.
Sack him and Mitchell van der Gaag today, and have McLaren till the end of the season. Bring in Phelan to help him.
There is no sporting reason to keep him, he should be gone today.
Agreed. It’s a fecking embarrassment to see Right Said Fred sat there whispering to each other all game.
Just pull the trigger now. What’s the point in leaving him in the job for another 3 games? At least sacking him now might give us a bit of a boost and avoid any more embarrassing defeats. Let McClaren see out the season.
What other manager can he get till the final so we can avoid embarrassment?
Hopefully Bayern come and negotiate his release in time for us to get rid before the cup final.
Comparing Arteta's first couple of seasons at Arsenal to this is madness. You could see what Arteta was trying to do, you could see a the red line. The only thing they have in common is that they've struggled to get the results they want. The "but Klopp/Arteta also struggled the second season" argument doesn't apply to all managers. ETH looks totally lost and clueless, haven't put a foot right all season and nothing indicates we're on a path to anything other than complete and utter misery. Keeping him feels like armageddon at this point.
Was Arteta shipping 4 goals and 30+ shots per game at any point during his managerial stint at Arsenal? Did he ever set them up to have no midfield?
Just have McLaren do it. He's very experienced and doesn't need time to understand the problems/players.
The only reason to keep him on his if it dramatically effects his pay off, because we're losing that final regardless.
We've hit rock bottom truly
And feck me, I thought we had been there before. But this, this is something else altogether
The worst thing is that we have spent 400M for him and no fan would expect these players, bar Hojlund and Martinez, to be still with us 3 years from now on.
He is just pouring money down the drain
His signings are the absolute worst by far amongsts all the post-SAF managers
Will they?
If there was any sort of
You're 100% correct he wasn't but let's not pretend we wouldn't have wanted him out the same way a lot of arsenal fans did at the time. His football wasn't that great and he wasn't getting results. Fair play to him for turning it around. I dont see the same for ETH he doesn't have a plan b (or a at the moment).
You're 100% correct he wasn't but let's not pretend we wouldn't have wanted him out the same way a lot of arsenal fans did at the time. His football wasn't that great and he wasn't getting results. Fair play to him for turning it around. I dont see the same for ETH he doesn't have a plan b (or a at the moment).
Even just for the spirit of the team, I believe sacking him even before the final will give a small boost.
A new manager mightn't want Lisandro to be a starter in the long term. Like how Blind went from a key player under LvG to a squad player under Mourinho.
He's not tall or particularly quick, but is good at carrying the ball forward and helps with the buildup play. His progressive passes aren't as good as some claim though.
Probably happens 20 times a season in Serie A.
People are actually trying to convince themselves we could not have done any better yesterday.Most managers prefer physical center halves and some may not be particularly keen on trying to integrate a short, slow(ish) defender purely for his ball playing ability. He's not really hugely versatile in his style of football so if we appoint a manager that is not fond of what he is now, we may well move on.
Someone like Tuchel though would try to maximize his value.
While I completely understand saying he deserves to be sacked (I probably agree), I think people are in for a shock if they expect McClaren (or any interim) to get the team functioning much better given the state the squad and backline is in. We have little to no chance of finishing the season well, irrespective of the manager - though a level of improvement could at least be expected I suppose. Either way, we're fecked and the season is more or less over.
I agree he's done here. But I don't agree that most sane fans realize it's not a quick fix - unless you think most fans are not sane. The vibe round here is that ETH is the main problem, and that football management is just a question of finding the right magician and giving him enough money.
We should tell him that he is free to negotiate with Bayern and we won’t seek compensation to release him.
We should also tell him that if he rejects the Bayern approach and we sack him the terms of his compensation will mean that he won’t be able to manage any other teams until summer 2025.
I'm staggered that he hasn't been sacked yet. It's criminal he hasn't been this morning. Dark times. It's only going to get darker if he stays till the end of the season. It hasn't worked out. Part ways now.
It really is. I'm mostly despondent and checked out, but I have a morbid fascination in observing those that aren't, wondering what it is they convince themes they can see.And feck me, I thought we had been there before. But this, this is something else altogether
We've been battered and humiliated so many times also that you develop a shield against it lest you lose your mind.
Bur even from the detached point of view the glaring difference between now and what has gone on before is so many have acceptance in their core and unwittingly talk about us like we're Spurs. And not even this CL-chasing Spurs, but the one that's been a laughing stock for nigh on 2 decades of this century, give or take.
What people are prepared to accept as a matter of course, gives great insight into the mentality and standing of the club, and this period, where there's justication and excuses for dire performances against fodder tells a story of the biggest club in the land been treated as though they are some 6-10th club.
It'd be more worrisome if we were stabilising, but as we're not, there are bigger problems in need of address.
It happens on many occasions, especially now, when we can't be worse without ETH than with him.
But sacking him would probably mean a 0-2 instead of a 0-3 or something.
Which players?
All the one's Ten Hag signed and keeps picking.
The fecking players that have thrown ETH, LVG, Moyes, Ole and Mourinho under all them buses.
Are you @Sarni in disguise?
Not sure it is even weeding them out, they are in plain sight, sell Rashford, sell Casemiro, let Varane go, get rid of AWB, where is Lindelof and Malacia are they injured or just don't fancy it too much. Sell Sancho, I would even sell the joke of a goalkeeper. Is Shaw worth keeping as injured too often. These younger players need good influences not ones who show complete disrespect to whichever manager is in charge. Oh and I forgot Antony.
Go and check the seasons expectations thread for 23/24 and observe the consensus of the forum before the season started where this team would finish.
It's strange how when a manager who was praised last year, underperforms in the following campaign, the players all of a sudden are the primary issue.
7 of Erik's signings started that game last night. Even Solskjaer interview on overlap highlighted no player was ever signed without his consent.
I can not belive this guy will get the chance to finish off with the cup final. Sack him and demote some of the dross he's bought. Just take the loss and restart proper this time
So you think Rashford is a great lad and putting loads of effort in, Casemiro is OK, Antony is OK, AWB is OK?
Rashford hasn’t played for a couple of weeks now, we’ve looked no better without him. Casemiro and Antony were signed by the manager we should supposedly keep on. AWB Is average, but is doing a job at left back for a manager that is all too happy to throw his players under the bus.
There is no justification for keeping Ten Hag in the job, it is incorrect to suggest otherwise.
Time previous managers sackings were announced:
Ole: 8am
Jose: 10am
LVG: 11am (although basically leaked the day before)
Moyes: 8am
Basically I don't think Ten Hag is going anywhere today. We'd know something by now.
Ole: 8am
Jose: 10am
LVG: 11am (although basically leaked the day before)
Moyes: 8am
Basically I don't think Ten Hag is going anywhere today. We'd know something by now.
Rashford has shown that he can perform but for some reason doesn't really seem to be enjoying it this season. A better manager could hopefully get him back to his best.
Casemiro still is a very good player if he doesn't have to cover too much ground on his own (which he had to, which is on the system the manager chose)
Antony can put in a shift, but I agree, he is a terrible signing overall
AWB has a very specific set of skills and lacks a lot of other things. If you expect him to do those (as the manager did) you don't have to be surprised if his performance is just shit. Doesn't make him as a player as shit as his performance was.
If anyone thinks like that then they are stuck in football manager world.
Replacing ETH is just one building block in building a solid foundation. At the moment it’s like our foundation has pyrite and despite throwing new kitchens, bathrooms at it, cracks are showing. So we need to dig up that concrete structure and start right
I'm going completely by memory, but none of them were sacked the day after a match were they? Thought it was all at least 2 days later
Not that I think it's likely with the cup final looming
I think it really shows how, for some, standards have been lowered to absolute rock bottom over the past 11 years. It's hard to even remember the ridiculously high standards that the great man set for this club, the fans and the players.
In the post-Fergie era, it seems that some fans have totally forgotten how great this club used to be, and have settled for being a meddling side who may scrape the odd second place finish (at best) if other teams are having an off season. Some were getting annoyed on here recently when we all weren't jumping for joy after barely beating an absolutely atrocious SU side at home. I've also seen poor second place finishes and 'one penalty kick away from winning the EL' being celebrated on here.
It's been a throughly depressing 11 years, littered with poor signings and poor managerial appointments. Yet, some will go out of their way to vigorously defend this abject mediocrity as though they have a duty to do so. Jose was the last man to try and set some standards, but he made a mess of it. Ralf maybe did too, but again, he was a disaster. Ole and ETH have been exposed as being totally and utterly our of their league, and yet, between them, they'll have gotten 5 seasons (at a minimum) and 700 or 800m to spend.
Watching how Glasner has transformed this Palace side in a matter of months, makes me think that we are stuck in a perpetual loop of misery. Don't forgot that he took over from Hodgson who had Palace playing some utterly awful stuff. Mateta barely looked a footballer under Hodgson, and he now has scored 9 times under Glasner since February. Maybe it's a new manager bounce, but they genuinely look a good side. Will fecking Hughes looks like prime Busquetes! Yet, we have a manager who clearly can't work with what he has, and can't improve players. He badly needs to go ASAP and INEOS badly need to be the ones who will sort this mess out.
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