Carrick was objectively better, and he's not good enough. He was night and say compared to hag.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Copium? Anyone with eyes can tell you that game was freakiest result in decades. From the get go? We literally matched Liverpool in the first half, did you even watch the fecking game? Only copium is using that game over and over as some sort of sign for things to come. You can use tons of other games for that, that Liverpool game is not it.
Its unbelievable that people are still arguing for him to remain as manager.
Yeah we had some injuries but we had 7 first team players playing in their regular spots.
SAF once beat Arsenal with a midfield of Rafael, Gibson, O'Shea, Fabio (yes i did have to google the exact line up).
Yeah we had some injuries but we had 7 first team players playing in their regular spots.
SAF once beat Arsenal with a midfield of Rafael, Gibson, O'Shea, Fabio (yes i did have to google the exact line up).
Why would we go back to the Ole way? The Ole way wasn't even a real way anyway, it was literally go out just do it stuff, we're obviously going to be aiming for better than that though.
If you still want ETH you are will-fully ignorant.
Time isn’t infinite , make the change now and stop pissing about waiting for executives to come in.
INEOS need to be decisive here.
Time isn’t infinite , make the change now and stop pissing about waiting for executives to come in.
INEOS need to be decisive here.
we would 100% of got rid of Arteta also so it’s not like whatever we do now will be the right move…
At the time that game was a weird blot on an otherwise decent season. Keep in mind we were 10 points clear of Liverpool at the time and still in the hunt for 3 trophies.
In hindsight it was a sign of things to come but at at the time I felt like an absolute 1 in 1000 freak result.
When he played our First XI in a league cup against championship side after World Cup 2022 "We are Man Utd, we must win every game"
When we have lost the 13th league game this season "It is ONLY our 4th defeat this calendar year, not a lot"
what a jerk
When we have lost the 13th league game this season "It is ONLY our 4th defeat this calendar year, not a lot"
what a jerk
Yeah I don't think they will sack him yet but you never know after a defeat like that. The cup final has kept him in the job these last few weeks. Win or lose he's gone after that.
I'd have more faith in him if he admitted how awful we are but the fact he doesn't seem to recognise how awful we are kills me.
Yes we have injuries but we still have enough international players on the pitch to not look like a sunday league team.
Yes we have injuries but we still have enough international players on the pitch to not look like a sunday league team.
I wonder if we just can't afford to sack him. We're broke and he might get a big payout that we're not aware of.
I think he was talking about the fact that we have players who suit that, and not a more modern style. I think the argument was about not deciding the style based on the players you have.
This was utterly bizarre behaviour by him.
Especially as the 04/05 team finished 3rd with a GD of 32 and 23 more points than this lot. They're not equivalent at all, the 04/05 side would smash the current side to pieces and that wasn't even a vintage Utd side.
Like you said, when a manager starts to disconnect himself for the failure and starts bringing up their own individual records you know it's almost game over.
I'm expecting an absolute gutting of this squad in the summer to be fair, so its a non issue.
No doesn’t have to work out having an interim for the last few games but I think it will do more harm than good to the drama around the club, we have enough drama ongoing at the club without adding this to the list. Seems like a weak mentality but I’m sure INEOS have wrote the season off and are working in the background on the replacement. Seems most likely that Tuchel and Ten Hag will swap positions over the summer, which is bizarre given how poorly Ten Hag has done at United.
Every manager has their own starting 11 and core players. It's just lazy excuse to use "these players"
Does anyone actually know the situation regarding his potential sacking compensation?
For example is it actually substantially less payout if we sack him end of the season versus now?
For example is it actually substantially less payout if we sack him end of the season versus now?
We can afford a few million to sack him
Thinking of coaches in a similar way to players is actually a very useful analogy because it also helps us see one step further. Coaches, like players, are also not static in a good or bad, black and white kind of way. It's entirely possible to be a good coach one year and then a bad coach a few years later. That kind of thinking almost never enters the debate when talking about coaches, yet when talking about players it is immediately obvious and understanding it is taken for granted. For example, Dele Alli. Clearly a good player at one point and then due to numerous reasons he wasn't cut out for the top level anymore. Players can even go up, down and back up again if they sort themselves out/rediscover lost motivation or adapt their game etc and again it can apply to coaches too.
Ten Hag for example could have been a good coach at Ajax, a bad coach while here this season and there is a chance that he will potentially come good again with a different environment and a fresh start. I do doubt he will have success afterwards, but I wouldn't be so arrogant as to say I can predict the future with certainty, so of course there's a chance.
A counter argument might then be, if you think there is a chance he can be a good coach again then why not give him the chance to turn his fortunes around here? I reckon that turning things around without a change of environment is even more difficult and extremely rare and it would be reckless to hang the hopes of the club on that slim possibility. Again you could say the same for many players who have been at a club for 2 years. Why believe Ten Hag can turn it around but that Casemiro can't? Their length of service at United and their performances at United are almost perfectly aligned, yet absolutely no one has any problem with getting rid of the player. In fact, hanging our midfield hopes on Casemiro rediscovering his form and not bringing in a replacement would be seen as the ridiculous idea.
Well a manager can't just manage any style of football, they have their style that they specialise in. If the club didn't want it then they shouldn't hire him, would you ask Pep to play a defensive counter attacking style? He wouldn't and he wouldn't be good at it.
Also you gotta think the process to move to a more modern style takes time, and multiple transfer windows so you might as well start asap. Though he's not done a great job with that tbh.
That's a few million less we can spend.
I don’t understand why anyone objects to an interim being brought in. We probably still don’t finish the season very well but it’s at least making an attempt to finish in a European position and have some sort of attempt at a plan in the Cup Final.
Sticking with a manager who is completely finished at the club and just writing the remaining games off (and consequently European football next season) is the alternative. We’ve passed the point now where anyone can even pretend he has a chance of being here next season let alone being here to oversee 2-3 years of rebuilding.
Sticking with a manager who is completely finished at the club and just writing the remaining games off (and consequently European football next season) is the alternative. We’ve passed the point now where anyone can even pretend he has a chance of being here next season let alone being here to oversee 2-3 years of rebuilding.
Agreed when they started to take all their players off but then still created chance after chance
I mean he did take responsibility to be fair "I will keep fighting and I prepared the team in the best way I could do and it was not good enough, by far not good enough.
I have to take the responsibility for that, but I will find energy and I will prepare them for Sunday's game."
There is a lot he is bad at but generally he says he needs to do better just some ignore it and focus on other things he says, having said that the quote is from an article saying we are the worst coached team in the league and it's hard to disagree with that
Mate, we're comparing who is worse coached, SU who are bottom of the league and have conceded 100 goals or, the current Manchester United manager. Does it really matter?
Imo, SU are worse coached than us. Only by virtue of them being slightly more terribly coached.
We can only hope, but it's going to take multiple transfer windows before we make big progress, we can only spend so much.
No, shite managers have their style and specialise in it. Good managers have an idea and adapt it to the players they have available.
This is the problem, Pep has warped everyone's opinion on how managers should be because he's had limitless funds and permission to buy and sell absolutely anyone on a whim. It's not a model that's replicable.
IF there is any credence to the Tuchel - Ten Hag swap rumours, I'd imagine it means no compensation required for Ten Hag to leave United for Bayern, but I'd also imagine that it would step up in momentum post cup exits
If I were INEOS, I would put Rashford for sale. Send a clear msg.
If next season we still do not improve then I would be okay with his sacking that being said I would hope the club signs new young dynamic players through a detailed process by competent people, we get rid of players with EGOs, players with no legs and deadwood.
If next season we still do not improve then I would be okay with his sacking that being said I would hope the club signs new young dynamic players through a detailed process by competent people, we get rid of players with EGOs, players with no legs and deadwood.
I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't continually set us up like this. This is clearly damaging his reputation more than leaving, I'm at a loss as to what everyone is playing at - the coach, players, footballing structure.
At least Ole was rightfully sacked when he should have been. ETH has gone way past that point.
We can only speculate, but I think every manager had a clause that if they do not reach UCL the compensation is significantly lower. We sacked Moyes I think within 24 hours of mathematically being unable to reach UCL, and LvG after the FA Cup (a few days after being unable to reach UCL), despite that everyone knew that he is going to get sacked.
I do not know what can it be for EtH considering that he is in the last year of contract anyway. For Moyes, it was one year payout instead of paying up his entire contract.
Manchester United will not fold over a few million in a payoff, we have the money.
Hala Madrid.
A managerial swap would be a first ever, right?
Game before this he tried telling us how exciting we are to watch and how we are dynamic and create so many chances, it's rubbish. We lost 4 nil to Palace and it could have been more easily and he says "It's not good enough", that's an understatement of the year.
I want to know what he is going to do to correct it, last year after the awful start he identified fitness and went on extra runs etc and did it with them to improve their fitness, I loved that. He seems downtroden and a shadow of his former self.
oh great. SAF did it with Gibson so it must be easy as feck.
Winning games in 2024 is different than winning them back then. Things have changed, mentality has changed, our players havent.
What would be the point of spending a few million more on transfers when we'd have Ten Hag managing them? It'd be like paying more for a faster race car only to have Susan Boyle drive it. Replacing Ten Hag with a great head coach who can get a team performing above the sum of its parts would be worth more to us than any new signing.
Poor Ten Hag had to play Casemiro in defence once. We lost 4-0 to Palace...
and we played this against Wolfsburg with 3 midfielders in the defence in Champions League and won 3-1 - Owen hattrick
Doing it directly at the same time probably yes, at least I can't remember anything like it. In the space of a few weeks yes - Hoffenheim and Stuttgart did it last season. Both were fighting against relegation, now Stuttgart is already qualified for the CL and fighting Bayern for 2nd place, and Hoffenheim still is in the mix to qualify for EL/ECL.
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