Yes it seems like our idea of attacking is either punt it up to Højlund, hopeful balls over the top or launching it out wide to someone who's often isolated and likes to slow play down anyway. Most of it happens against a settled side so it's very ineffective.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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All clubs in Italy do that, which is why its not uncommon for them to sack a manager, hire a new one, sack him and bring the old one back all in the same season because he's still employed, just on gardening leave. It forces clubs who want their outgoing manager to pay them comp if they want them.
Unfortunately we are once again at same end of the road with a manager.
While I defend our managers more than players and tenHag had zero luck with injuries and referee decisions it has come to a point where change is maybe on horizon. Not that it would help with this group of players but as a manager you need to adapt with what you got. Injuries have made our squad paper thin but you need to play less naive.
We've been through this so many times now that we will never get any continuity.
While I defend our managers more than players and tenHag had zero luck with injuries and referee decisions it has come to a point where change is maybe on horizon. Not that it would help with this group of players but as a manager you need to adapt with what you got. Injuries have made our squad paper thin but you need to play less naive.
We've been through this so many times now that we will never get any continuity.
This quote from glasner basically buries ETH...
"It was the fourth game in a row where the other team didn't have 10 shots. This is what we want to do to control the game with a compact defensive shape," he told BBC Sport.
"It was the fourth game in a row where the other team didn't have 10 shots. This is what we want to do to control the game with a compact defensive shape," he told BBC Sport.
I find it very despicable of Ten Hag not to go applaud the away fans after the match with our players.
He just went into the dressing rooms.
He just went into the dressing rooms.
Glazers would have sacked him by now. The moment the fanbase turned against a manager, Glazers sacked him. The useless fecks were reactionary.
I do not understand what Ineos are waiting. Get him out of the club, get a caretaker for the remaining 4 matches and then get a new manager in the summer. It is not rocket science.
Has he been fired yet?
The longer he stays the more detrimental to the younger players, he has to go now.
I was thinking about that yesterday. When Middlesbrough thrashed us years ago it left me bewildered for months.
I was awake for about 2 hours this morning before I even remembered that we played yesterday
Even the Glazers are wondering what the feck is going on and if they were right to hand the footballing side over to INEOS to do less than they do.
You see the problem. Fans want a quick rebuild and won't accept that's not possible. Under the Glazers it wouldn't have happened because they were draining the club of funds. Under INEOS it won't happen because of FFP rules. So we are stuck with our frankenstein squad unless we are willing to swallow the pain of the transition, all while rebuilding our dilapidated facilities and stadium that mirror the state of the squad.
Sure ETH has failed. By the conventions of modern football he has to go. He will probably end up at Bayern and do really well. But his was an impossible job to do in less than five years even if we had the will to see it through rather than screaming for a new sacrificial lamb every two years. That's the real problem.
Posts like this are indicative of a deeper-rooted issue within our fanbase. Where flags are supposed to be planted and stuck by to the bitter end.
I think many of us have been on an extremely souring journey in being elated with the appointment of this manager to the dreadful evincing process of realising just how wrong we/they were.
But everyone comes to their point of realisation of their own accord, as depressing as that is, and opinions about managers should rarely be set in stone. Only true great ones are above reproach and that comes after years and years of delivering.
Yeah. Let's say we absolve him of our disastrous recruitment strategy and our terrible injury record that left us with the players we had available last night (not that I think we should), going into the game still with the same open midfield setup that has failed miserably this season is solely on him. No one else.
The sane thing would be to not leave an 18 year old whose defensive qualities are not there yet as the sole pivot, resulting in us exposing an injured Evans and a rash 33 year old whose legs have gone.
It's also a stupid post, because that same 90%(however he came up with that number) would have sacked him months ago.
There's only a few ETH defenders left at this point.
Yes it is a shit show, but literally every manager who has come in has met with the same fate. There is no escape. These players aren't going to turn up just cause we get someone interim. They will half ass it cause they know this manager will leave too.
I would start benching players who are playing shit, let the youth play, support the manager if I was INEOS. I could give two shits about humiliating defeats, these players need to know that this is on them. The kind of performance Case, Rashford, Bruno, Onana have been putting in week in week out is ridiculous. Something needs to change and as of now its not the manager.
No, fans want the manager to be competent and focus on winning games of football with the team as his disposal instead of lamenting the fact we can't win a game against Palace, Bournemouth and Brentford because we don't have a left footed CB and FDJ.
The Glazers have sanctioned a £400m spend in 2 seasons. If that's bleeding us dry then we've got no fecking chance of ever being competitive again.
I hate to break it to you but I saw a Norwegian team who had to leave the stadium and cross the road to access their changing rooms, which was a shed. They won their games, it turns out it it has zero fecking impact on how the manager set them up during games.
This job is impossible when you're massively out of your depth and stubborn to go with it.
"These players"
Most of the worst performers are ETH's signings and the squad has changed vastly since Ole left.
People on here act like we've had the same set of players for a decade plus now. It's extremely tedious.
No, I don't see the problem. Firstly, other posters speak for themselves. Secondly, I don't want "a quick rebuild". I have just lost confidence in the type of football EtH is trying to implement. If we continue with it, I do not believe we will become a good team eventually. If I hadn't, I'd be happy to support giving him more time.
Scholes and Owen reckon he's frozen McClaren out.
Yes, the players Ten Hag has bought and continues to play regardless of form have let him down, and yet he still picks them every week. If you think keeping him around will change that I've got some awful news for you.
Poor Timbo
So what are you saying, this is on ETH and blame him? The core players have been more or less there. And we have had some terrible signings.
I am not sayin ETH is god, but sacking him now is ridiculous and calling INEOS incompetent for not sacking him is even more ridiculous.
Yeah, back then a big defeat left you pondering the meaning of everything
you'd go through your own homage to 80's soft rock movie montages and be bent of shape for ages.Now? It has to be something truly out of this world to leave a deep-seated affect on your psyche. We all have our own coping mechanisms for these trouncings by now. Which says a lot in itself.
Scholesy only ever speaks like this when he knows something. He was the one talking about the dressing room being shit when Lingard was leaking the goss.
When he has most of his preferred XI and gets smashed, it's a freak result. When he doesn't have his preferred XI and gets smashed, it's injuries.
Keep up, he is never at fault. Too smart and good for that, him.
That too, but I think the last swing has maybe gone from 50ish% to a very heavy favour from the majority to bin him off, which is a new dawn, I think.
How can he possibly be to blame, it's these same players of Fellani, Hererra, Rojo, Jones, De Gea, Fred, Martial, Lukaku, Pogba, Lingard, Bailly etc who just keep getting managers sacked.
I hope you're wumming.
The squad has vastly changed since Ole. What core players? We just played a game without Bruno/Rashford/Maguire and got destroyed 4-0 to Palace. He's brought in numerous players and taken us to a place we've never been in Premier League history. We've never been this awful.
Our GD is -3. Our xPTs is 15th. We sit 8th in the table. We've conceded 80 goals for the season. Most losses in a Premier League season. Last in the CL group stages(breaking records for incompetence by an English side while doing so).
Sacking him now isn't ridiculous. He should have been sacked 5 times by now.
I don't understand some of you. ETH has been abysmal all season and some of you still have the gall to defend him.
We'll beat that record if he remains through to the end of the campaign.
Morale has actually gone now, and this is the section when players will look like they've collectively given up... because they have.
I think at this point you have to assume that we are fecked financially and can’t move on at all. That’s the only logical reason for him to still be United manager
And yet moving from Ole-ball to high press fast transition football (albeit unsuccessfully so far) makes half our players redundant. So what's the answer? Go back to counter attacking? Even if we could it will never finish us in the top four and we still have a frankenstein squad. Football has moved on and we cannot. Nor can we go back. Sacking ETH is not going to resolve much, even if it's clear he has failed.
Even Crystal Palace only had 18 shots (so below the 22 needed per match to beat that record) and they walked all over United. There is hope that teams don't try speculative long range shots when they are two or three goals up anyways but just keep the ball, so keep the number down.
Can't wait for TenHagEra to post a positive spin on this one.
It is a bit funny in a twisted way, if INEOS weren't here and we were still purely Glazer led, I've no doubt he'd be gone by now 
- Seven of the eleven players who started the game joined the club in the last 2 years under ETH: Onana, Casemiro, Evans, Eriksen, Antony, Hojlund & Mount
- Two were young players who were introduced under him or played the most under him: Mainoo and Garnacho
- Only two were bought before him: Dalot and AWB
- Two of signings were on the bench: Bayindir and Amrabat
But yes, "these players" have been the problem since eternity.
And before anyone says "but that defense", this is not the first time a manager has had to play one of his DM's in central defense during an injury crisis. We had Carrick play their plenty of times during Fergie, Carlo started Touchemeni as CB in one of the legs against City, Pep played Mascherano regularly at CB. Good managers adapt and make the best of the resources. They don't cry for their best XI like this bald oaf has started doing off late.
- Two were young players who were introduced under him or played the most under him: Mainoo and Garnacho
- Only two were bought before him: Dalot and AWB
- Two of signings were on the bench: Bayindir and Amrabat
But yes, "these players" have been the problem since eternity.
And before anyone says "but that defense", this is not the first time a manager has had to play one of his DM's in central defense during an injury crisis. We had Carrick play their plenty of times during Fergie, Carlo started Touchemeni as CB in one of the legs against City, Pep played Mascherano regularly at CB. Good managers adapt and make the best of the resources. They don't cry for their best XI like this bald oaf has started doing off late.
INEOS have billions, they can afford to sack him.
His defensive madness has overshadowed how bad we have been in attack tbh, we haven’t even have the injury excuse for the attack and yet we have scored 52 goals in 35 league games. That’s joint 10th for goals scored. Top 7 have all scored 69 or more goals so that’s a huge margin. Even last night while losing to palace for majority of the game we had 2 shots on target
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