Couldn't agree more. No Europe is an opportunity to reduce the squad
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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When we signed him he was the standout candidate. It was a good move at the time. He has since gone on to prove that he’s not up to it, so he should be replaced. No different to us signing Schneiderlin. It is entirely sensible to change your views as time goes by.
Your post is really not the “gotcha” moment you think it is
64 is very doable, we can reach and break that record. We have been averaging 20+ shots for a few games prior to last week, so we can do that against Newcastle, Arsenal and Brighton. Can see EtH completely rising to the challenge.
Manchester United should always be in a European competition. It's harboured us with shite managers like Ten Hag who have insisted on playing the same 11 players every week but a normal manager would use the opportunity to play youth and fringe players to get them ready for the first team.
Did you miss the Moyes, LVG, Mou, Ole years or something?
This idea that we try to play swashbuckling football is nonsense. We average less possession under ETH than we did under previous managers. We let in way more shots. We score less. We don't really do anything well under ETH.
Our defensive line was higher under Ole. Our GD was higher under Ole. Our xGD was much better under Ole too. And Ole wasn't good enough either. It's a damning indictment on ETH that we've regressed in every possible facet under him.
Sacking ETH will get rid of a terrible manager who is breaking records of how abject and terrible we've been all season. This notion that we should just stick him is illogical. He's shown nothing to remain in the job.
ETH's been worse than all of them this season and some backed him to the hill.
Yikes.
Brighton have had a lot of injuries this season and they've been on the receiving end of some serious beatings but they've still faced nearly 200 less shots than us.
You mean you changed your mind after 17 losses and shite football all season? You're not allowed to think someone is good 2 years ago and change your mind in that time. That kind of reflection is frowned upon around here. You have to think something once and then never change your mind for as long as you live, it's the United way.
The absolute idiot. Keep telling the current starters (7 of his own signings) they are shit and find out.
Under what circumstances would sacking ETH be reasonable in your mind? Surely there has to be some kind of performance expectation right? Also do you acknowledge that the majority of the players who played yesterday have only played for this first team under ETH? Why aren't they worthy of the same benefit of the doubt that you are giving the manager. I think the manager and players should be held to the same standard, if the players aren't getting a pass then the manager shouldn't either. If players fail move them on, if managers fail move them on too. Is that really an unreasonable or ridiculous view point?
On the INEOS point, I agree it's way too early to be judging their competency one way or the other. For all we know they could be doing anything from arranging a deal with Bayern to save us money from sacking Ten Hag, or signing up Southgate for the job like utter morons, we simply don't know yet.
If we had ANYTHING about us as a club he should be gone. No other big club would accept this.
Nobody else plays fast transition football in this way - pressing aggressively (but not consistently) with the attackers and throwing the CMs at the oppo CMs on a man-marking basis, while leaving a deep and unprotected defensive line, leaving oceans of space between the different parts of the team. Which is why we have now allowed more shots against than any other team in the PL. The notion that the only choice is between this and "counter attacking" is a bit absurd.
Makes me miss Ole and his vibes. He was top.
Most sensible fans back the manager when they believe in him and jump off the train when they lose belief. It's that simple. I backed ten Hag last season as I thought he did a good job but he's totally lost me this season due to his awful management. You just gotta' know when to hold your hands up and admit that things have gone to shit.
The Glazers would have sacked him before now, that's how bad this is.
This is a bonkers take. There's many different styles in football that can be attempted, tried out, take inspiration from. You've tried to paint football tactically as so oddly black and white, when it obviously isn't. We can move on, and will.
He doesn’t say the right things. By saying we are shit because our entire back line are out is basically giving the players that are filling in permission to fail.
How is he not gone yet. We're a meme innit.
Have to agree with everything, he needs to go. Tactics are baffling, substitutions are bizarre at times as well.
People blaming INEOS as being incompetent is just ridiculous, they are still getting the structure at board level sorted and won’t be reactionary sacking the guy just yet. Let him finish out the season and start again in the summer with a new manager, interim rarely works as we’ve demonstrated already a few times.
We’ve been that bad this season that last nights result barely registered anything with me as it was expected. Palace in good form and the team and bench we had out didn’t inspire much confidence.
I don't disagree in principle but here we are
I know
But SU are definitely coached worse.
If they had ETH in charge, they might be even worse.
They treated us like a training session by the 3rd goal and had long taken their foot off the gas, more interested in putting on a show for their fans - this is a topic in itself, but we're so fecked, it's not even a talking point today - we're up against a side with a very real need to keep goal difference high next, and then have Newcastle, who take great joy in putting us to the sword.
Between those two games, the amount of goals and shots conceded has the potential to be astronomical. Brighton are more of a wild card but still a side who are likely to comfortably outplay us, so it's a very tangible capitulation we're talking about rather than alarmist talk. Ugh. Dreadful.
He only cares about his own reputation at this point as he knows he's gone, how anyone can see it differently I don't know.
Aye, I used to be gutted for days when we lost a game under Fergie. I've felt that way at times post-Fergie, but it's all been so shite, that the dissapoment has never been too big. Now though, it's just a complete piss take and I feel nothing whether we win, lose or draw. This is definitely what rock bottom looks like and I thought we had reached that place under both Jose and Ole.
Probably around the same tbh.
Does it have to work? Ten Hag isn't working so what damage could McClaren do for 3 games? People talking like an interim is impossible because it's only October. Just sack the clown and start looking for new managers to hire in the summer. The longer you wait the less time you have to recruit.
ETH has a much better set of players and they're still conceding loads of chances per game. Pretty sure our defensive metrics are up there with Sheffield United.
If he had that Sheffield United team, they'd probably break records for the amount of chances they'd concede.
It's also crushing for morale as he's scapegoating the remainder.
There is nothing wrong with his post though, we do have to move on and not go back to the ole way.
yeah, that was a weird question to ask - with zero relevance. I mean, I'm sure if both polls show 90%, then it's probably a vast majority of the same people who wanted him here in the first place. As you both say, things don't work out and you take the new information into account and it's actually perfectly normal to change your mind. Really, really don't understand the posts trying to take the "gotcha" route. It's silly.Anyway, on topic. Things are just tanking right now. Freefall till the end of the season. If we don't change managers, we're literally waiving the white flag for the final as well. We need to change managers before that final, but i'm not sure Ineos will do it.
Feels like the dark Ole days again. Back on @ManUtd twitter watch. Not tweeted since the final score was posted over 11 hours ago.
He's reached the point where he's trying to disconnect himself from the failures. While doing so, he's blaming everything and everyone and bringing up United's past 'failings'(him bringing up our 2004-2005 season as an equivalent to this side was hilarious) to try and absolve his own failings. It's pathetic.
I think the midfield is the bigger issue, but this summer I would be happy if we only spent money on defence and midfield, I'm sick of it being in such a state. Also bring on the youth, can't be worse.
But the manager who is employed today needs to get the best out of the players he has, not play a system that none of the players can play to, lose 17 games in a single season and finish 8th because he needs 11 new players and 3 seasons before we can start winning games.
Palace could've scored more last night if they wanted to. They took pity on us.
Not even a whisper of him losing his job this morning. Regardless of how many league defeats we suffer from now to the end of the season he somehow gets to lead us into a final against City. Nobody can tell me this is the logical step to take.
Pretty sure they won't sack him until season's end.
Hopefully we somehow fluke a result vs City, but they might demolish us yet again in all likelihood.
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