Let‘s not mention Ajax‘s budget. It is totally irrelevant.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Things are going to get really ugly in the next 5 games. We are playing against some very good teams and we will be shown our place badly imo. Hard to see how INEOS can stick with him even after that
Harsh to say that after a mere 4-5 month spell with struggling Cardiff. Wouldn’t you agree he needed more time to learn management in a big league? Or is this learning period only allowed to managers you like?
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Going to address the question about why you're continuously posting drivel from an Erik ten Hag fanbot twitter account?
You're just giving ammunition to those who think that defending a manager often goes beyond interest in what's best for the club, and into personality cults or ego trips.
Actually let’s maybe mention it and how it compares to Rosenborg, Nice, Valencia, Getafe, Roma and Benfica? Genuinely interested.
However let’s maybe skip it when we discuss his league success with them.
Nope. We now have no fit CB's or LB's.
EDIT: well possibly Evans but I can't imagine he'll match fit, even if he's available, after a month out.
Why is that?
He failed epically with Cardiff, and he was given the sack after 3.5 years with us.
Ten Hag has had 2 seasons with us, 1 of which was fighting levels of injuries that Ole didn't have, and ownership uncertainty that Ole didn't have. Why would I agree Ole needed more than 3.5 years with us? It's not at odds to the view that Ten Hag is worth a crack into one more season at the absolute maximum - given if he fails he'll be sacked before Ole was.
What bit are you struggling with here? Ole had a lot more time than Ten Hag, even after failing at Cardiff and saying more controversial things in press conferences like "Trophies are for egos".
He wasn't working under a proper structure at Cardiff. So we can't say if he failed there or not.
Our sweet Prince and Manchester United legend, Joel Glazer, wouldn’t have stood for all this when he ran the football side
Don't think there's much point being hypothetical about it any more - we need a new manager just to cut down the outrageous number of muscle injuries.
Whatever fitness and conditioning ETH thinks he's doing, it's achieving the opposite and literally breaking the squad.
Whatever fitness and conditioning ETH thinks he's doing, it's achieving the opposite and literally breaking the squad.
He was given free reign, bought a ton of his own players and made his own mistakes in doing so. Even whilst accepting that he would have learned from it - my point is he did not come into the United job with zero PL experience. He also had 3.5 years before being sacked, so quite obviously the answer is no - he did not warrant more time than he got.He wasn't working under a proper structure at Cardiff. So we can't say if he failed there or not.
8th place, GD +1 which will end up in negative deserves one more season 
Just because he couldn’t keep Cardiff not relegated after taking over the team in midway of the season? You call it epic failure? Sign~
In his 2 full seasons we finished 3rd and 2nd and he had a record of 14 wins in 19 matches during the caretaker period. He was rightly sacked midway in his third full season when our performances and results started weakening. Even then we were just 12 matches into a season which had followed us finishing 2nd and reaching the EL final under him.
Seeing how we are much worse under Eth, I am surprised seeing so many trying to justify the performances and results this season.
Well no, if I'm not mistaken he spent a pretty penny relative to the sides around him and lost 15 out of 25 games. That's why it was an epic failure.
Brilliant another Ole vs Ten Hag debate. Been here many times but il summarise in by highlighting ten hag hit two finals, one cup and a higher point tally in one year than Ole did in 3.5. This debate is not worth my time, with respect.
If Ole had Ten Hag's injuries in his final Year I genuinely think we'd be close to relegation.
ETH should be give anoyher chnace with the right organisation behind him. He should never be allowed to buy or choose players.
He should tell the DOF that I want
a central defender with the following qualities
a defensive midfiledder with the following qualities.
etc.
The DOF together with the scouts find the people he needs.
Of course he should have a say, but he should not be the one looking or chosing
He should tell the DOF that I want
a central defender with the following qualities
a defensive midfiledder with the following qualities.
etc.
The DOF together with the scouts find the people he needs.
Of course he should have a say, but he should not be the one looking or chosing
He took over when they were in relegation zone and got relegated. Basically what everyone expected.
Also, December 2018 to November 2021 is not really 3.5 years, it is 3 years.
I am surprised you want ETH to get much more time after 2 years because he is still learning and needs time, while Ole’s 3 years were enough for you to assess him despite him being younger and having even less top level experience. Just seems strange… unless of course you have so much stock invested in one of them that it’s impossible to backtrack now.
At Cardiff Ole had a big market of getting his own players and lost 15 out of 25 games. He failed, even by the clubs standards and ambition at the time.
Ole had 3 years at United, and he failed.
Ten Hag has only been at United 2 seasons, and if he got sacked this season he'd be given less time than what Ole had to prove himself.
What bit do you struggle with?
This is a really strange hill to die on. He had five months PL experience at a Cardiff side that were basically doomed from the start.
"Bought a ton of his own players" ignores that he was given a fraction of the budget of his predecessor and joined the club after the winter window was already open.
His stint at Cardiff is basically a meaningless interlude in his career, and evidence of nothing.
Oh there you go with ‘more points’ argument. Just remembered how you said Ole got ‘slightly more goals per game’ (15 over course of season) but ‘significantly lower points per game’ (74 v 75), this was one of your best moments in this thread.
Obviously when you get training injury number 172736327, you have to question his methods....
Will that 'right organisation' help him to not be utterly useless at squad building, tactics and coaching, game management, and managing the fitness and conditioning of his players?
It's not just more points is it? It was the fact that Ten hag was better or comparable to Oles best attempt in 3 years and it only took him one season. Oh and he won a cup.Oh there you go with ‘more points’ argument. Just remembered how you said Ole got ‘slightly more goals per game’ (15 over course of season) but ‘significantly lower points per game’ (74 v 75), this was one of your best moments in this thread.
Feel free to get rattled by the fact that he got more points though, you do you.
We are not Bayern or Madrid. Honestly, the delusion on here…
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If you read my entire posts youl know that's not all I'm resting on. The debate is this nonsense from. The other poster that if Ten Hag deserves more time then so did Ole. Which is just stupid, because Ole had 3 years with United and that wasn't even his only PL job.
Yeah, by a point. One point.
Also worth mentioning we dropped points in the 74-point season because a) we were resting players ahead of EL final, b) had to play 3 games in 4 days due to Covid reschedules and had to play our B team against Leicester.
Also scoring way fewer goals and having a much inferior goal difference.
But yeah that one point.
WIth this many injuries due in great part to his training methods, is there any reason why that guy should stay beyond his expiry date... which was already passed a while ago?
But surely you have to acknowledge that Solskjaer was very much seen as a rookie manager when we hired him, while Ten Hag was an experienced, up-and-comer?
It's not like-for-like, so it's entirely reasonable to suggest the "rookie" gets more time than the other guy when it comes to "learning on the job", if that's the line of argument you're taking.
To me, it means the football structure there was panic at that time and want to gamble on the approach to get a lot of new recruitments to improve the quality of the team for the second half the season. It’s a strategy really difficult to work out because there is no time to settle and gel. The strategy must be the decision the structure and Ole together formed and executed. You can’t lay it solely on Ole.
Actually it was 3 years instead of 2. And he should have been sacked earlier.
Ole was better in the league than EtH though, it is not even close. And not as awful as EtH in Europe, despite being quite bad himself. And despite playing shit on a stick football, it was still better than EtH’s football.
The only thing EtH has on Ole is winning the Mickey Cup. It hurts me to say this considering that I thought (and said it here) that Ole a) should not have gotten the permanent job, b) should have been sacked after getting eliminated in UCL from RedBull in group stage, c) should have been sacked after finishing second in the league, d) should have been sacked months earlier than he got sacked, especially after that humiliating 5-0 defeat (which EtH somehow managed to get a higher humiliation).
Ole was an unimaginable disaster. And still better than the current disaster in charge.
Oh Solskjaer, I thought you were talking about Ten Hag there for a second.
Yeah we waited too long to sack Solskjaer in fairness. A mistake we've repeated with every post SAF Manager.
I agree with the points made.
Ole was not a rookie manager though. It was the same excuse that EtH gets from the loyal cult, like he is an up and coming manager despite that he had been managing for over 10 years. Ole was an experienced manager, just that he also was a mediocre experienced manager.
Same as EtH who is a very experienced mediocre manager.
How about 75 v 74 points?
Luck of the draw that he didn't meet City in any semi-finals never mind 2 or 3, plus 1 point more. Solskjaer deserved to be sacked, so does Ten Hag.
If injuries are anything ETH related he won’t last beyond FA cup final. But it’s weird his coaching didn’t cause these issues last year
He was seen as a rookie though. His time at Molde (and Cardiff) was seen as completely irrelevant experience. Ten Hag's time at Ajax is what got him the job.
It's the structures fault innit.
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