Revisionism? I mean, his GD was better back then than Ten Hag’s this season. There was linear improvement and the FA Cup win. I’m not saying he wasn’t under pressure. I’m saying his trajectory was a little bit more healthy. Although there were dips in form, it wasn’t a 47 game run of poor results and substandard performances.
I actually think Arteta has improved as a manager. This is his first gig. It’s worth remembering that he’s only 42. Ten Hag is on his 13th year as a manager and 5th club.
He'll be learning too - they both took on the PL for the first time at their respective clubs. He will need to learn in how to adapt to a big club and learn the PL ropes just like Arteta did, albeit 9 years older (which I don't really care about).
That was probably the most interesting part of that recent interview. I would have had zero problems if he had done something akin to what Ole did and played two static holding midfield players to make us hard to break down (like the dreaded McFred combo of Ole's time here) and try and grind out a few results but he said it was because he wanted the team to progress and play the same way as when everyone is fit.
How is the saying ‘you cannot teach an old dog new tricks’. EtH is not a young manager who is learning, he is older than Pep Guardiola. He is very much the finished article, unlike say Arteta whose first managerial job was Arsenal.
What do you mean he's the finished article? He got his first job in a big league a year ago.
Erik Ten Excuses.
He is 52 and has been coaching for almost 15 years. While he might still learn (everyone in these top positions still learn), he is not a case of an up and coming manager who can reinvent himself. It will basically be, at best, polishing/refining aspects of his game.
My iphone autocorrect keeps changing it to Erik Ten Gag
Closer to Ten Thousand excuses, at this stage.
54
54 actually!
Not defending Ten Hag but that 400m nonsense needs to stop.
Erik Ten Gag
Correct. Pep is 52, EtH is 54. Yet people speak about him like he has just started coaching and is an up and coming manager. He is closer in age to Allardyce than Nagelsmann but people talk like he is a manager who just started.
De Zerbi actually started coaching two years later than Ten Hag
It doesn't matter how long he's been coaching, he's only got his first job in a big league now. That's quite an ageist post, insinuating he can't learn anything new all of a sudden.
Is it also ageist to say that having patience with a 19 years old striker (say Hojlund) is different to thinking than 32 years old Weghorst, who also just came to a big club, won’t ever be that good?
We are lucky Bournemouth took 9 games to come together because they have been way better than us since their first win (5th highest points in the league actually). Brighton have also struggled to replace their midfield, and Palace have only started playing football since Glasner joined, other than that teams below us have been worse than us.
In player terms, Weghorst is at the end of his career. In managerial terms, Ten Hag has his prime ahead of him. Weghorst has had PL experience before he came to us, by the way.
