"Give him credit" 
Looks like we've reached the "you bastards don't even deserve him" gaslighting stage
Looks like we've reached the "you bastards don't even deserve him" gaslighting stage
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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I've never known confirmation bias like it.
How dare somebody not share your views and parrot them endlessly!
Give him credit for what, potentially ending the season with negative GD and worst finish in the table since Fergie retired?
Dear lord some of you really need some fresh air.
Crazy to think he could still deliver 5th place and the FA cup, reality will be 8th and runners up medal in the cup.
Definitely
I mean, your views include giving manager credit for "fighting for Europe". We are currently 8th.
I am not saying that he won’t ever learn anything new, but he is basically the finished article. He is older than Pep, for crying out loud, older than Fergie after he had won his second title with us, as old as Ancelotti when he won his third UCL (and had his fourth UCL final), older than Mourinho when we hired him, you get my point. He is basically at the age when many top managers start declining, not at an age when promising managers start winning titles.
Of course, it doesn’t mean that he won’t ever win anything, the likes of Ranieri and Spalletti won their first league in their sixties. But in any profession of life, most people do their best work in twenties, thirties and fourties, while in fifties and thereafter it is more using their collected experience to do/continue doing great work. That is my point, this is not a manager who will now reinvent himself and drastically change the way he plays, more like a finished product who at best might refine parts of his game. And that is why the comparisons with Arteta are absurd, Arteta was basically a baby in terms of managers, so obviously he would be making massive mistakes while learning. It was his first managerial job, on his thirties. Very different to EtH now.
Right, time to stick the obvious WUM on ignore.
Nah, come on, you're trolling
Il cut you off right there. He isn't, because he's still learning and adapting to new big clubs. His first real big job was one year ago. Whether he started doing it 10 years later than Pep or Arteta is immaterial. Unless you want to be ageist, or course.
The tweeter? Is it Frank de Boer?
So you are finally saying we can basically disregard his time at Ajax.
Spurs fans are already turning on Postecoglu and yet there are still elements of our fanbase who are devoted to ETH. Some might say that this makes United fans a cut above the rest but I'd argue it's part of what holds the club back.
Bald is not a space goat!
No, I'm saying the Dutch league isn't a big league.
Youl find a post from me saying that whilst it's not one of the top leagues, it didn't render his achievements completely irrelevant.
The worst thing about this ten hag out brigade is they're so fecking binary. Everything is either 0 or 1 with you, it's tiresome to even debate anything seriously.
We haven't been good bowever you want to desribe it. We're boring to watch as well.
Maguire out for 3 weeks now. Yet another injury!
Dude, you are the one who is taking about him like he is a McKenna, not a Guardiola in terms of experience. Just cause he was not good enough to manage in EPL, before he turned 52, it doesn’t make him a young manager.
Put it this way, he is more similar to a Rashford rather than a Garnacho. Similar to how you expect Garnacho to make mistakes while learning, you also expect mistakes from the likes of Arteta. But when it comes to Rashford or EtH, it is a bit more frustrating. They’ll probably finally turn out to be world-class, but more likely, this is as good as you’ll get from them.
Oh crap! Do we have an CB’s coming back?! This is beyond a joke!
So in fact his achievements elsewhere are meaningful (end of the day they are the reason he was hired) but the experience is not hence he needs more time. Got it.
No, that's not what I'm saying. Read posts better, and again try not to work in binary fashion.
The experience is not irrelevant, the achievement is not irrelevant. However Ten Hag got his first job in a big league at 50+. He did not have any experience in a big league prior to that and would need to learn and adapt to that all the same.
Why would I be banned? For having a different opinion on the managerBerba definitely
Eh? No I'm not. I'm saying he never had a big job in a top league before he came. This idea that he's the finished article is quite a lot of bollocks. He still has a lot of learning to do.
You're just clearly being ageist thinking the boat is missed becuase he never made a move earlier. Assuming he can't or won't learn or adapt because he's managed at Ajax and Go Ahead Eagles is a bit lazy.
Will you please stop posting these crap tweets from his Dutch fanboys. They are laughable
I'd sack him just for injuries alone this season.
If it's training that's causing it then you change things surely, if it's not then the guy is cursed.
What's your argument here? They're all correct.
In your opinion
ETH’s first year as a head coach was 2012-13. De Zerbi’s first year was 2013-14. Not really much difference except he’s won nothing as a coach.
Arteta obviously a bit less experienced having started in 2019 but he’s also won less than ETH.
No. Thanks.
Sorry but goals against /for, wins/ losses etc etc are facts not my opinion.
Trophies won like the Dutch League should be taken with a real pinch of salt. Frank De Boer also won 4 titles but got shown up in every other league. Our reference for measuring Ten Hag's performance is only in the PL. One decent season and one utterly embarrassing one. If you want to be a top club in modern football, the tolerance for failure must be really low. We've sacked nearly all of our managers post-Fergie too late. The ownership transition does affect the decision-making in this case, but the time is ticking.
Why would I be banned? For having a different opinion on the manager
It was a joke mate.
ETH has been coaching since 2006 though, just that it was in younger caregories and then assistant manager. De Zerbi went directly to manager but because of his lack of expertise, started on the fourth league (unlike EtH who started on the second league). He has far more experience than de Zerbi.
So it’s a bit similar to Ole, he also should have been given more time to learn.
Ole was a proven failure in the league before taking the United job, but even if you want to go by that he had 3.5 years before we sacked him.
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