I don't believe it's in his hands if the players start downing tools. The board will just have to back him over the players this time.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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And it's quite clear that Ten Hag is a system manager. He has a player profile for that role and a player is seemingly available. We supposedly have other targets but they are inferior to the primary target. The manager himself has said that if he does not get that profile of player that he will coach that profile of player from within the current group.
However if the club do not invest that 80m on a CM option then we have to manage expectations accordingly. This is the problem we have had in the past when we have spent 100s of millions of pounds on square pegs and we as fans expect the manager's to win trophies and titles. In this case we won't be spending that money until the correct targets become available to fit what we are building so we won't waste the money, therefore we have to accept that Ten Hag has less investment in his playing squad than is needed.
No forwards, no central midfield and shaky maguire in central defense coupled with a passive goalkeeper in ddg ?
Its going to be a long season.
Its going to be a long season.
Agree. ETH probably has some backup options in terms of the academy as well as keeping an eye on the improvement of existing players, so the need for more investment isn't critical yet.
Would this even be surprising given the fact that there are 4 teams with arguably stronger squads and a new manager who gets thrown in front of the biggest disaster of a team with only one new starter? You're talking 6 months as if he can sort all this shite out in half a season with this team.
He needs time and resources to build a winning squad. The fact we still don't even have a true CDM is ridiculous and not really his fault either. With the squad that we have it basically feels like a tryout season, auditions for ETH. He's placing his trust in players half the Caf have written off because he has no other options except for some unproven youngsters.
That said, I do have faith in him to do better simply because he showed he's a good manager, Ajax was a managers' graveyard before he joined with the exception of Frank de Boer.
Other players were mostly from the ronaldo camp.
And so it begins here, the turning on of Ten Hag
Jurgen klopp finished 8th his first season at liverpool you need to be patient for an rebuild can’t expect top four
As far as I recall, the difference is that Ronaldo was the only one who was in the matchday squad (and had participated in the match)?
I hoped we'd have played at least one competitive game before all that started.
I understand what you’re saying to an extent. My issue is that if your system is reliant on a player that is supposedly a one off, then that is probably not the smartest system to set up.
The fact is he did set up another system, and should have done so at united. We will not make too 4 with mctominay starting for us week in week out. I know our play is improving, but the other teams are too strong to get away with the number of handicaps we have.
and before we've even played a single league match - impressive
Not turning against him at all.
I am very much looking forward to seeing what this man can achieve with us.
Was just pointing out, an obvious fact.
Regardless of truth, said when he became a United manager, his first decisions will shape the path for him, so whatever happens its on him.
I suspect if this farce with FdJ ends up with him not coming to United that the narrative will suddenly be about how it's everyone else's fault except EtH.
It's a sign of how weak the club is. and how few footballing figures that command any respect there are in the upper hierarchy that EtH seems to have more say here than I suspect he ever had at Ajax.
It's a sign of how weak the club is. and how few footballing figures that command any respect there are in the upper hierarchy that EtH seems to have more say here than I suspect he ever had at Ajax.
Seems we’re still a bit of a shit show behind the scenes. On the one hand you’ve got the club briefing the press that Ronaldo and co had permission to leave the ground early and on the other you’ve got the manager condemning the actions as unacceptable. Comes across as very amateurish from the outside. ETH has to rip this place apart and rebuild from the ground up, seems like he has certain standards and the club are lagging behind.
For 10hag, the most important thing is time. He clearly has an idea of how he wants his team to play and will need the players who are currently there to adapt as he adapts to them. The lack of champions league means he has to make the most of what he has. I personally believe our players are not as bad as they showed last season.
The short term goal should be to get back into the champions league so that we can attract the right players to fit his philosophy than we take it from there.
The short term goal should be to get back into the champions league so that we can attract the right players to fit his philosophy than we take it from there.
I hope this is true.
As I said in the Ronaldo thread, let's support our manager through thick and thin. Got to get some control over this shit culture that's permeated throughout the team since SAF left.
Is this a fact?
How do you know he’s the reason? Are you privy to what Murtough has told him about the deal?
He will have a very tough time this season cleaning us up. Once Ronaldo is gone and we move on from the Frenkie dream, we can rebuild properly. This is the start for sure, but I'm now thinking this is more like Klopps first season rather than a big jump in year 1. Transfers just haven't happened, and the bad egg (Ronaldo) hasn't been tossed out of the club yet. Until those 2 happen, Ten Hag will struggle really bringing us forward.
Yeah I like that idea as ten Hag looks very promising but there's next to no chance of that happening with this fanbase. Some are already turning on him before we've even played a competitive game.
Thank God then they going his route and not the clubs to be laboured with players the manager don't want, and more bloated squad. Makes total sense
We have some absolute weapons for fans these days.
Why all the posts Goldbridge'uese these days?
Embarrassing is another one thrown about.
If anybody was somehow under any doubt that the squab he inherited is among the most toxic ever assembled, some with seemingly no sense of perspective whatsoever, then just look at players leaving a pre season game early without his permission. This is them in 'fresh start' mode! Any player who left at weekend should be dropped for Brighton
What the hell
What is going on here at the moment, where is all this pathetic negativity coming from?
Well there were numerous reports after it happened stating they were given permission to leave early so someone at the club has obviously told the media that was the case. Now the manager is doing an interview stating the complete opposite. A lack of communication all round and it’s making the club look Mickey Mouse yet again.
What the hell
What is going on here at the moment, where is all this pathetic negativity coming from?
I think FDJ saga and transfer negativity is being applied on every subject at this point.
We have earlier discussed who is good enough to be starters at Pool and City and probably end up with Ronaldo and Sancho only. It was a boring discussion.
Our ambition this season is top-4, so it’s more relevant is to discuss who is good enough to be starters at example Arsenal.
I’m not sure United has a better squad than Arsenal, and that tells me ETH have done a great job if he manage to bring United among top-4 this season.
Our ambition this season is top-4, so it’s more relevant is to discuss who is good enough to be starters at example Arsenal.
I’m not sure United has a better squad than Arsenal, and that tells me ETH have done a great job if he manage to bring United among top-4 this season.
Embarrassed and in the mud! Angry and confused!
Ronaldo wouldn't start for City or Liverpool or arsenal or Tottenham. Possibly Chelsea as their attacking options are weird. Tbh though, he shouldn't be a starter ahead of martial here even.
We do have some good players, just some gaps that need addressing (and the big Ronaldo shaped problem who has to be sold). Shaw when fit (big if) is very good, and Malacia looks excellent. Martinez I'm confident will be a great signing. Our centerbacks generally are a very good collection. Fred is a player that every big club would love, maybe not as an instant starter for all but would play regularly. Bruno of course, Rashford would be sought after by big clubs, Sancho of course would be a big player anywhere... Anyway, we'll see if Ten Hag can get the others going during the season and get the best out of our players. We lack depth in attack, and I'm sure he'd like to revamp the midfield, but we'll see.
It's crazy.
The FDJ saga so extreme too. We had a bid accepted or agreed, he is owed a lot of money in back pay, Barca behaviour been scandalous think we can all agree on.
, But we are apparently embarrassing and pathetic, then any sort of story involving Chelsea he defo going there, it's nailed on he going there even when the same issues are still there, and we are even more pathetic humiliated and embarrassing.
It's so bizarre.
Nobody has said, nor did I say that the system relied on a one off player.
The one off player is simply the absolute best at that position coming into his prime and possibly available. We are Manchester United, our ambition should be that player.
If that player says no then there are other players of similar profile as back up targets but those players are inferior (ie we won't be held to ransom on price, player may need a supporting structure around him in midfield that means deeper investment) and if we are priced out or whatever, we will coach a player in the squad currently to perform the function for now until an alternative is identified or someone is coached to the level required.
And if this happens, then you have to accept the level of investment we have done in this window is probably not all that is needed and should judge things from that perspective.
If we had sorted out the scouting network etc before ten hag came then you could argue this was all on him
But we didn't, and the club is in the state it is in because of the club organisation not the current manager of the first team that's been in the job weeks.
"It starts with a trickle and then a waterfall" France is Bacon
What a prick to leave mid game, friendly game or not
I think his ten Hag impression needs work
Always love how people are able to draw conclusions from things that haven't happened.
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