Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

Status
Not open for further replies.
Spoony said:
True. But we've such a weak mentality. Is that down to him or is it something more complex?
Click to expand...
I think mentality is more down to the player.

I wouldn’t have credited Ten Hag too much for the 3-0 win had the score remained that way because it was just sensible line up etc. nor would I be calling him a tactical genius for subbing off two teens for Eriksen and Antony.
 
I dont think that taking off two teenagers who have played a lot of games when 3-0 ahead against a midtable Championship team is bad. I actually think it is good. One of the critisms people love to use against ETH (even before it became this sack the Pep Guardiola is my idol witch hunt we have now) is that he is running his players into the ground by playing them too much and not rotating. Taking off teenagers and bringing in internationals (or former in Antony his case) arent bad subs. I was happy with the subs although i would have prefered Amad instead of Antony at that stage. I want ETH to take care of Mainoo and Garnacho so they are fit for the final. Garnacho had a slight injury last week too.

Antony and Eriksen were dreadfull when they came on. Awb could have put a Coventry shirt on and he would have been their MOTM. That was the problem, not the subs.
 
Sandikan said:
We really need the Saudi clowns to still be throwing insane wads around in the summer.
Otherwise Casemiro has 3 years left on insane wages and is only getting less mobile. Today was frightening, even at the "cigar" position at the back, against a lower league team.
Click to expand...
Absolutely. He made maguire look like a prime Kyle Walker in comparison.

Here’s hoping we can get some return on our initial outlay for a few of them from the Saudis: Casemiro & Varane top of the list. Hopefully their names and reputations still ring loud over there. Get agent Ronaldo on the ringer :lol:
 
Raoul said:
Alonso, Amorim, or Zidane. Until any of these guys sign on the dotted line, they're still available and we can probably pay much better than most.
Click to expand...
I dont think Alonso or Zidane want us to be fair.
 
Cassidy said:
To be honest coaching was not the issue today. Even though ETH should go. Complacency and lack of discipline at 3-0 up was the issue. Players started doing their own thing.
Click to expand...

I would have to disagree, we have been throwing away leads all season and even last season we were getting spanked by Liverpool, man City, Brighton when we had martinez and varane fit, we have been mess defensively far too much under ten hag
 
He got the subs wrong but you'd expect to able to freshen things up at 3-0. He and the club are the reason we can't maneuver much in matches with all the huge spending for pretty much nothing for this past two summers and more.
 
VP89 said:
I dont think Alonso or Zidane want us to be fair.
Click to expand...

They certainly wouldn't want United run by the Glazers and Woodward, which is what most still perceive. Once Ashworth and everyone else are in place, that could change quickly.
 
The Hilton said:
It is my opinion, but again you're trying to pass your opinion off as "objective events". I don't think you're being fair about the Sancho thing, for which you apportioned blame to Ten Hag. He gave a relatively tame answer in a press conference that amounted to Sancho not playing himself into the first team in training, after which Sancho went scorched earth. I'd have backed any manager in that situation every time.
Click to expand...

Mate this shtick is tedious, give it a rest. Even without assinging blame my point is the fact it happened along with the Rashford incident are the objective events. They did happen didn't they? So in your opinion has stamped out disciplinary issues within this squad?


The Hilton said:
I didn't say there isn't any tangible benefit, I was explicit that there hopefully is, eventually. The benefit is that we'll eventually learn another system. No matter who comes in, we'll have to spend some time learning anything that isn't a mid block, which will come with pain and some drubbings. Whether Ten Hag's system, when he's got the players for it and it's sunk in, gives us enough control is up for debate and in fairness I'm starting to have doubts about that,
Click to expand...

Well we all hope, but in that case we can't actually say that there will be a tangible benefit to him persisting with this system all season. Yeah we might eventually learn another system, but that will most likely be when we get a new manager in.

but "the system isn't working yet so stop trying" isn't a valid argument for me, as that means playing a mid block forever.
Click to expand...

It doesn't at all. A new system can be implemented at any time. The fact he's stuck with this one will likely mean he won't get another season to implement fully whatever the hell it is he is trying to implement. It's ok to be pragmatic and change tactics to get results and see out the season especially with the injuries we've had. He's basically wrote off this season to dogmatically stick with a system that doesn't work and/or he doesn't have the players to make work. It's silly.
 
Ish said:
Absolutely. He made maguire look like a prime Kyle Walker in comparison.

Here’s hoping we can get some return on our initial outlay for a few of them from the Saudis: Casemiro & Varane top of the list. Hopefully their names and reputations still ring loud over there. Get agent Ronaldo on the ringer :lol:
Click to expand...

The really annoying thing with Ronaldo was there was talk of selling him to the Saudis for a decent fee, yet he ended up going there for free.

Varane would be a free transfer, but you'd hope there's some sort of fee for Casemiro.

We again need real surgery in the summer though. Strength, pace, mobility and mental fortitude are hugely needed. We don't have many players who show all 4.
 
He has to go. We need a rebuild and we will hopefully get a decent amount of money to spend in the summer.

You just couldn't trust this guy to be the one to be in charge of those new players going forward.

He wont be in charge of recruitment like the last two seasons, but if he cant get anything out of the players that he personally wanted to bring in, then why would anyone think he can do better with players that have been bought for him?

The players don't believe in him, which will soon rub off onto anyone coming in.
 
Neville trying his best to defend keeping ETH. He's consistent to be fair but recognises the big problems.
 
His star boy Antony and all time favourite Rashy are going to take him down.
And I bet they'll survive him, the feckers.
 
Why can't he just come out and say we're nowhere near good enough and he got it wrong? Doesn't matter how bad we are he never takes responsibility or tells it like it is. Just pure delusion every time. Can't stand him
 
Sandikan said:
The really annoying thing with Ronaldo was there was talk of selling him to the Saudis for a decent fee, yet he ended up going there for free.

Varane would be a free transfer, but you'd hope there's some sort of fee for Casemiro.

We again need real surgery in the summer though. Strength, pace, mobility and mental fortitude are hugely needed. We don't have many players who show all 4.
Click to expand...
Damn. Hopefully we can generate some good money with sales (don’t bet on it) to perform that surgery on the squad.
 
Stadjer said:
I dont think that taking off two teenagers who have played a lot of games when 3-0 ahead against a midtable Championship team is bad. I actually think it is good. One of the critisms people love to use against ETH (even before it became this sack the Pep Guardiola is my idol witch hunt we have now) is that he is running his players into the ground by playing them too much and not rotating. Taking off teenagers and bringing in internationals (or former in Antony his case) arent bad subs. I was happy with the subs although i would have prefered Amad instead of Antony at that stage. I want ETH to take care of Mainoo and Garnacho so they are fit for the final. Garnacho had a slight injury last week too.

Antony and Eriksen were dreadfull when they came on. Awb could have put a Coventry shirt on and he would have been their MOTM. That was the problem, not the subs.
Click to expand...
I think you go with a formation change and possibly and extra CB. At 3-0 you just need to see the match out
 
Lee565 said:
I would have to disagree, we have been throwing away leads all season and even last season we were getting spanked by Liverpool, man City, Brighton when we had martinez and varane fit, we have been mess defensively far too much under ten hag
Click to expand...

Getting spanked by pool and City and losing a 3-0 lead are not the same thing.

ETH has to go but today was not a coaching issue. Players thought the game was won and started doing their own thing

And of course today is not the only day its happened. Alot of these players need to go along with ETH. We lost plenty of leads under Ole for the same reason
 
If you think this isn’t the worst served up post-Fergie, you must have severe memory loss.

This is our worst season of the lot. Biggest difference is this manager, via fortuitous circumstance, is allowed to mess up again and again and again whilst others were fired out of a cannon much sooner.

Jim looked like death watching that. I should think it’s sealed his fate, if there was any doubt prior to the game.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.