Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Well not really, the idea that he has been successful in that regard is just your opinion. All I did was pose the question based on objective events that happened well into his 2nd year in charge that maybe he hasn't managed to get a handle on disciplinary issues yet.

It is my opinion, but again you're trying to pass your opinion off as "objective events". I don't think you're being fair about the Sancho thing, for which you apportioned blame to Ten Hag. He gave a relatively tame answer in a press conference that amounted to Sancho not playing himself into the first team in training, after which Sancho went scorched earth. I'd have backed any manager in that situation every time.

So why persist with something that clearly isn't working when there will be very little if any tangible benefit in doing that?

I didn't say there isn't any tangible benefit, I was explicit that there hopefully is, eventually. The benefit is that we'll eventually learn another system. No matter who comes in, we'll have to spend some time learning anything that isn't a mid block, which will come with pain and some drubbings. Whether Ten Hag's system, when he's got the players for it and it's sunk in, gives us enough control is up for debate and in fairness I'm starting to have doubts about that, but "the system isn't working yet so stop trying" isn't a valid argument for me, as that means playing a mid block forever.
 
Sorry yes. I forgot myself.

In all seriousness I’m now 60:40 still in favour of stay. But maybe im wrong here I feel 3:0 up with 20 odd mins to go you should be able to take off 2 teenagers and bring on Eriksen and Antony and see out a game?

Like the players should be capable of that right?

True. But we've such a weak mentality. Is that down to him or is it something more complex?
 
Didn’t we finish 5th that season? That was the reason for the sacking
On goal difference from 4th, but the football was terrible (though still with a positive goal difference).
 
I think Mainoo should be rested from time to time, but to be fair, that danish international should only be playing in the 10 position, he shouldn't be a straight swap for a more defensive minded player. It left us with no real cover in front of the defence.
Eriksen played deep most of last season, we just didn’t have a defensive player on the bench. If he felt Mainoo was on the edge of an injury, I’m not sure he could have done much else. I’d still think a midfield of Eriksen and McTominay should be able to see off a championship team with a two goal lead.
 
Let's hope so. I have zero trust in INEOS or Ratcliffe but let's see.
If they had any ambitions then they’d know sacking ETH could lead to us winning the FA cup. We all know the new manager effects, we’ve been on the end of a few of them.
 
He basically made his first sentence redundant with his last sentence, yes any man united side should be able to see off Coventry....unless managed by an awful coach
Howson is so clueless. I'm glad I don't watch him anymore.
 
Today just epitomised the shit show he has turned us in to, i wouldn’t have begrudged Coventry in the end and especially Mark Robins. They must regret that first half where they were so cautious, passive and gave us way more respect than we deserved.

He hasn’t learned his lessons all season, he’s getting the sack and can’t really complain. Won’t happen until after the Cup Final now but it’s guaranteed as it’s untenable to continue with him.
 
It's obvious. This season is more competitive.. Spurs, Villa, Liverpool are better, Citeh' and Arsenal are consistent as they were last season. ETH has been shown up. He's not good enough to compete with top managers.
 
Bizarre how he's changed his tune since last season, when good was "not good enough". Now he's protecting the players at every turn. Wonder why.
 
Erikaen in midfield is too lightweight and easy to play through. It’s a poor change, for me, and it’s not like we don’t have other examples of his changes adversely affecting games.
He’s definitely had plenty of subs come on and win us games so that’s just the nature of substitutions.

Eriksen played in midfield the whole of last year but I know what you mean. I don’t think he really had any midfield options, so if Mainoo was close to an injury, it is what it is.
 
He basically made his first sentence redundant with his last sentence, yes any man united side should be able to see off Coventry....unless managed by an awful coach
To be honest coaching was not the issue today. Even though ETH should go. Complacency and lack of discipline at 3-0 up was the issue. Players started doing their own thing.
 
Sorry yes. I forgot myself.

In all seriousness I’m now 60:40 still in favour of stay. But maybe im wrong here I feel 3:0 up with 20 odd mins to go you should be able to take off 2 teenagers and bring on Eriksen and Antony and see out a game?

Like the players should be capable of that right?
The shape is horrible and invites pressure/shots, this isn’t new. He has spent a ton of money on the players you’re blaming for not seeing out the match. Losing from winning positions isn’t something that’s new to him, take the Ajax vs Spurs matches as an example, or Chelsea more recently.
 
Sorry yes. I forgot myself.

In all seriousness I’m now 60:40 still in favour of stay. But maybe im wrong here I feel 3:0 up with 20 odd mins to go you should be able to take off 2 teenagers and bring on Eriksen and Antony and see out a game?

Like the players should be capable of that right?
After you go up 3-0, you take off your worst attacker (Rashford) and see out the match in a 4-5-1, get super compact and use Hojlund to stretch.

I don’t know why he went in that direction, it screams for a formation change, right?
 
That bloody fool Goldbridge still saying it's the players not the manager. fecking annoying
There’s a hint of truth to that. It can be both - and there’s clearly a few players who needs to be moved on as well. But overall, accountability ultimately stops with the manager. He’s the one picking these players (albeit, injuries haven’t been kind), he’s the one with the shite substitutions and he’s the one who has us playing like absolutely turd.

I’m not defending him, I’m over it. He has to go. I just hope we send a few of the players off into the sunset with him.
 
3 out of 4 domestic finals in 2 years. Yet people want him sacked :wenger:

Not watched any games this year?
We're battling to even come 6th this season, and the "style" of the team seems to be a few press while the rest don't, leaving vast spaces in the middle.
Teams are getting huge swathes of chances against us. Coventry had 18 chances today and we just about scraped through.

We've gone massively backwards on last season.
 
He’s definitely had plenty of subs come on and win us games so that’s just the nature of substitutions.

Eriksen played in midfield the whole of last year but I know what you mean. I don’t think he really had any midfield options, so if Mainoo was close to an injury, it is what it is.

There is something wrong with squad mentality too. The posture is all wrong and Hojlund was celebrating alone at the end. There are definitely some bad eggs that need to be weeded out.

We need better leadership for sure and players who can set a new tone in the dressing room.
 
There’s a hint of truth to that. It can be both - and there’s clearly a few players who needs to be moved on as well. But overall, accountability ultimately stops with the manager. He’s the one picking these players (albeit, injuries haven’t been kind), he’s the one with the shite substitutions and he’s the one who has us playing like absolutely turd.

I’m not defending him, I’m over it. He has to go. I just hope we send a few of the players off into the sunset with him.

We really need the Saudi clowns to still be throwing insane wads around in the summer.
Otherwise Casemiro has 3 years left on insane wages and is only getting less mobile. Today was frightening, even at the "cigar" position at the back, against a lower league team.
 
Everytime Ten Hag lays an egg (which is nearly every game this season) his defence league come out and say its the players. Yeah we've known from time that the players are not up to it but a good manager would know that upfront and just not play them. The manager would also bring in replacements that make the team better and not contribute to making the team even worse. We have seen coaches go to clubs and rip the team up from day 1. You don't have to persist with shit if you dont like it. That's why you are manager. But if you go ahead and pick those same players regularly then its no longer on the players.
 
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