It's not like it's a new thing for us is it we've had five seasons like this since Fergie retired. This might just edge it as the worst one yet though.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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His refusal to acknowledge the glaring issues with our game is a real worry.
What is the logic behind all these argument? Do someone mean ETH will keep his job if we beat Liverpool? Because this is all he needs, just 1 win against Liverpool and no matter how shitty he is, he can keep his job?
If you/someone argue ETH can keep his job as long as we keep CL (which is highly unlikely), I can accept this argument.
If you/someone argue ETH can keep his job as long as we win FA (but ending 6th in the league). A weak argument but I will respect that.
Just beating Liverpool will do? Regardless?
Well we don’t dominate in or out of possession and we can’t play out from the back. So whatever the feck are identity is it ain’t that.
To be fair he said that we want to do it not that we do it.
To make a big generalisation, he's very Dutch. Stubborn as hell, never budging even in the face of alternative evidence. Van Gaal was the same, and various other Dutch managers.
He can say what he wants to do all he likes but he's clearly incapable of actually coaching this team into 'dominating in possession' (49.9% - 10th in the league), or 'out of possession' (18 shots conceded per game - 19th in the league).[/QUOTE]
Another spoofer. 3 things we don't see at all in our play.
Problem is he’s been saying that since he walked through the door, we’re nearly two full seasons in with over £400m spent and there’s still no sign of any of that.
Another manager that’s losing the plot after managing us. By dominating he means we concede dozens of chances and let the opposition have more possession.
Read what he said.
I did… and he’s got a bit confused on what his version of dominating is
I think you’re confused. He said he wants us to dominate, indicating that he’s aware that we don’t currently.
He also said ‘we know what our identity is’ do they because we certainly don’t and we watch week in week out.
Which is a different matter.
Nice try. He said that is our identity, indicating that’s how he thinks we play.
Same sentence though.
Don’t think it’s mutually exclusive.
He can both be aware of our identity and recognise that we don’t dominate.
People see what they want to I guess. Especially in here…
You can’t make two different points in one sentence?
Ye of course you can but he’s basically saying we know what our identity is and then I believe the next part he’s saying is what he thinks we’re playing already.
That’s your interpretation of it. I think he was recognising and semi-acknowledging our current limitations.
Can't believe there's people in the fanbase who continue to fall for this shtick. The guy is a first class waffler.Including you, yeah. Even if your read is correct, what does it help that he can see the problem if he’s failed to address it at all for two years? Everyone who watches our games can see the problem.
Well obviously yes but I’m somewhat more neutral in this debate than most at the moment.
I will go along with what INEOS decides as they are better placed to judge than any of us.
I think there are mitigating factors for the performances. Both injuries and the rotten culture at the club that accepts mediocrity that is way above the manager.
Everyone thinks they’re the most neutral.
Yeah all our managerial appointments have been disastrous but that’s because we chose the wrong candidates. Moyes, LVG, Mou, Ole sacking all of them was the right call.
When your relationship isn’t working you break it off and move on to the next one if it doesn’t work out again that doesn’t mean you should have stuck with the first.
I don’t classify myself as in or out. I think it’s just a waste of time to worry about it and put that much thought into it. If he’s not good enough he will be replaced. There is not much I can do. I just support my team. I want Erik to do well because I want the team to do well.
Currently, Aston Villa are 12 points ahead of us in the table (2 more games played) with a goal differential of +17, while we are at -1. They are also not giving up the most shots in the league in 2024. On the season, they average 55% possession to our 50%. All this with a vastly inferior squad.
I don't think thats entirely accurate. We have a better squad probably but vastly? I don't think so. Quite a few of their players would start for us. We have a vastly better squad than Burnley or Sheff Utd.
Villa have also had the majority of that squad available for most of the season, we haven't.
Can't believe this guy is in charge still.
Seems like that because of the difference in quality of managers.
No not really, they just have some pretty good players. Diaby, Luiz, Watkins, Konsa, Torres, McGinn, Bailey, Ramsey you could make strong arguments for. They've built a really nice team with the Grealish cash.
Except wanting them to lose is not even a debate. It’s just one insane poster rightfully getting shot down
How much of this perception is based on each respective squad's performances under the manager this season though?
And if you truly believe Villa have a squad in similar quality, how much of that blame goes to Ten Hag paying huge sums for players like Antony and Mount?
He said he wants to, not that he necessarily is seeing that now. At least the way I interpreted that sentence
This alone would make me want rid. He's just making himself a complete laughing stock. Might as well say our style is total football with a hint of Harlem Globetrotters! Ridiculous statement.
Our style is "11 random footballers of wildly varying levels of talent, who met for the first time in the tunnel just now".
Our style is "11 random footballers of wildly varying levels of talent, who met for the first time in the tunnel just now".
Everything he’s saying is massively contradicted by how we play and setup. I can’t take anything he says seriously at all.
The emperor's new style of play.
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