Exactly. No one has been able to explain why.
I remember an earlier excuse was that it was affecting performances having the ownership situation unresolved. Again nothing that affects day to day training and match day tactics.
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I remember an earlier excuse was that it was affecting performances having the ownership situation unresolved. Again nothing that affects day to day training and match day tactics.
Basically undermined his own case for being here in the most efficient way.
Don't agree.
We haven't had a single top manager post SAF. Facts. What has any of those managers achieved after managing us? Nothing.
Moyesy : Nowhere near good enough for a top 4 club.
Giggs: No comment.
Louis Van Ghoul: Was past it when he joined us, what did he achieve after us?
Mourinho: Was also on his way down as manager when he joined us, was also rubbish at every other club after us.
Solskjear: Obvioulsy nowhere near good enough for a top 4 everybody knows this.
Carrick : Nowhere near experienced enough for a top 4 club needs no explaining
Ragnick Has achieved nothing as manager anywhere.
So this squad hasn't been managed even once by a top manager since SAF yet. They were all very bad choices.
Brighton have also had a bad year. They lost Mac Allister and Caicedo without really replacing them adequately and then also lost March for season, Mitoma for several months and have struggled marrying Europa League with the league for the first time ever. They will improve.
We would be below all of them already this year if we weren’t very lucky in so many games anyway.
You know what? I think you are a clown, really. Talking such a nonsense still nowadays, you are helpless.
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The structure helps bring in better players who suit the demands. It helps us identify them better, replace quicker and in theory secure more of what we need.
Better suited players = better football.
Why do they need to be managed by a top manager to appear somewhat competent at football? Many smaller teams look better trained than us. How are they able to manage this without top managers?
I fear that the clowns in charge gave Ten Hag a massive severance clause to tempt him and it’s stopping us from sacking him.
There can be no other reason for United playing the worst football I can remember since the eighties.
No other top team would tolerate having an average of nearly 20 shots against over a season.
That’s in addition to having an inconsistent front line and goal return.
This is only getting worse while he’s in charge and being stubborn about his methods
There can be no other reason for United playing the worst football I can remember since the eighties.
No other top team would tolerate having an average of nearly 20 shots against over a season.
That’s in addition to having an inconsistent front line and goal return.
This is only getting worse while he’s in charge and being stubborn about his methods
Well they are absolutely wasting their time hoping he will qualify for Champions League. Go and get Nagelsmann to take over after Euros
The way played under those managers reflected exactly the level they were, nothing more, nothing less. Under Moyes we played like mid level Premier League team, Under Ole we played like a Championship style counter attacking team, under Jose we played outdated defensive football, etc etc.
Yeah same shithouses like Rashford just walking about because he knows Erik hasn't the guts to bench him for period of time. Will be absolutely gutted if Nagelsmann goes elsewhere and we are stuck with this guy but see that happening.
I fully now accept the fact that he is a poor football coach. Probably the worst we have had since Sir Alex.
I was definitely one that tried to bury my head in the sand about the awful performance levels in the second half of last season due to his past reputation, our desperation as a club and us grinding out enough points to finish 3rd in a season where bloody Newcastle managed top 4.
Nice bloke, professional so I am not going to start insulting the man but I do believe he has now shown enough that it is only fair to say he is not a good football coach at this level. This season is a write off and I can only hope that the hires we are seeing above him can find a better replacement than Gareth Southgate.
I was definitely one that tried to bury my head in the sand about the awful performance levels in the second half of last season due to his past reputation, our desperation as a club and us grinding out enough points to finish 3rd in a season where bloody Newcastle managed top 4.
Nice bloke, professional so I am not going to start insulting the man but I do believe he has now shown enough that it is only fair to say he is not a good football coach at this level. This season is a write off and I can only hope that the hires we are seeing above him can find a better replacement than Gareth Southgate.
I will be absolutely gutted if we don't get Nagelsmann for after the Euros when he is a stand out candidate
You speak the truth. The team symbolizes the manager. The way this team plays is what ETH is preaching. In laymen's terms, the confusion, lack of coherence, disorganization and effortless approach are now acceptable at Manchester United because the manager allows that. I was hopeful ETH would be the guy, but as time goes on, he is in way over his head.
Just say better recruitment then because I agree it's mainly people what are thinking about when they say the 'structure' will improve things.
The structure still doesn't excuse performances like this week.
I hate to say it, but outside of Klopp, there is not a manager available. Actually, Benitz might make some changes on the culture end with his style. A long shot, but not much else. Wow, it just shows the legend that SAF was.
Agreed entirely.
It's never as simple as we need to gut the squad. That's just a massive massive risk.
The structure does give to the performances, how does Dalot end up 1 v 1 with no support? How does the final corner even happen? Where was the infamous Captain Bruno directing traffic? Rooney, Keane would have been going berserk getting guys covered and fully aware on the breakout setup.
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It’s also about getting rid of those players that don’t meet the requirements.
In what way is he the "standout" specifically?
He screams of someone who would crumble under the pressure at Utd currently to me. We need a grizzled pro who can be somewhat unaffected by the turbulence that will come with us putting in an entirely new structure over the next 18 months. Not a very young man who is getting over being sacked from his last job and has never managed in a competitive league.
i mean yeah some of those were not actually hired as full time managers but lvg and mourinho are not scrubs.
It's absolutely baffling to me people still giving this guy the benefit of the doubt.
He is by far and away the worst manager we've had post Fergie, and we've had some terrible ones.
We've all got eyes right? We can see what he's dishing up game after game, right?
He simply has to go.
And this isn't absolving the players of any responsibility, they are all (well, some are) equally as culpable as ETH for our current decline. But he still picks them, he still gives them the tactics to play. We have a team of reserves and academy players to call upon if needed.
Absolutely bizarre stance from some of our fellow Reds.
He is by far and away the worst manager we've had post Fergie, and we've had some terrible ones.
We've all got eyes right? We can see what he's dishing up game after game, right?
He simply has to go.
And this isn't absolving the players of any responsibility, they are all (well, some are) equally as culpable as ETH for our current decline. But he still picks them, he still gives them the tactics to play. We have a team of reserves and academy players to call upon if needed.
Absolutely bizarre stance from some of our fellow Reds.
Ok so what grizzled pro do we need then,completely disagree that he will crumble at Utd but then I am firmly Nagelsmann in so that's not surprising
Spot on
Over Nagelsmann?
I would take Emery, Tuchel, Enrique, Simeone, Ancelotti, Zidane, Spalleti, Inzaghi or Mancini among others. Even if we went younger I would sooner take O'Neil or Carrick before Nagelsmann.
Who do you feel doesn't meet the requirements?
It'll be difficult to stomach if we stick with him, even with the lack of amazing options, there's enough that a change should be made. Actually he's doing shit enough, that we're left with no real choice.
What I'm saying is they were both past it when we hired them, both were dated managers, which why they did nothing after us either.
Jose had been sacked by Chelsea and Luis was playing a defensive 352 prior in the world cup
If we had hired them a few years earlier, it would have been a different picture.
OK let's take each one individually, well Emery wouldn't swap Villa for Utd right now. Have seen zero links to Enrique at all. Simeone would be seen as too defensive and seemingly has no desire to leave Atletico. The chance to get Ancelotti passed when Fergie retired. Forget Zidane as doesn't want to manage in England. Spalletti has never been linked to us whatsoever. Yes will give you Inzaghi as he's my second choice to Nagelsmann but does he want to leave Italy. Mancini I think is done now in club management. I like O Neil but he wants to build something at Wolves. Carrick I feel needs to manage somewhere in Premier League first.
God what waffle.
There have been no credible links with Nagalsmann, there usually isn't in football until something happens.
Emery would join Utd in a heartbeat, as would Enrique, Inzaghi, Mancini, Spalletti after the Euros, so on and so forth. The fact that you are trying to paint the picture that O'Neil (who we should not hire btw) would not walk to Manchester from Wolverhampton barefoot over glass for a slight sniff at the Utd job is silly.
There are boundless better options than Nagalsmann.
I'll admit I really like ETH so perhaps I'm biased but some of the comments here are forgetting how woeful the football was under Mou and LVG for the most part!
Nah this is the worst, the football under LVG and Jose was poor at times but we were never this consistently open and devoid of control against sides in the bottom half of the table.
You are absolutely spot on that we got both of them after they were both on the wane sadly
The most bizzare shit is some posters defending him to the hilt like he's their daddy. With Ole I can understand cause he's a club legend and one of us but this bald chancer is nobody. He literally has zero connection to us prior being appointed. He's good at giving bullshit big talk though maybe thats why some of our fans eat his words.
Dont get me wrong they both were crap before being sacked but we never ever under them conceded 20+ shots every single fecking game and have a minus GD so late into the season. That alone is a legit reason to sack the baldy on the spot. Also he has the nerve to say that we played well like wtf are you watching the same match ?
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We will see who is proven right on this one,if it's you somehow I will admit I backed the wrong horse. Won't ever get off the Erik out train due to that game at Anfield last March
Explain.
Very few of our managers had a connection to the club before being appointed, temp managers aside, theres Ole, then Wilf McGuiness and then Walter Crrickmer in the 30's
Ask a question and I will gladly answer it.
Ten Hag’s position is completely untenable. The only questions are when will he be sacked and who will replace him.
The debate over how bad he is versus previous duds is interesting but pretty irrelevant. He’s miles off the standard required for the club and that’s all that matters. Tactically we are as naive and poor as I can ever remember.
Moyes and Van Gaal were judged against a higher standard, because they immediately succeeded Ferguson. The bar was pretty low for Ten Hag to keep his job, too low if we are honest, because of the shit that preceded him. But he’s failed to even make that standard.
Hopefully Ineos will show a ruthlessness and adherence to high standards that we haven’t seen since the Ferguson era. That’s not to say that their approach shouldn’t incorporate some patience and be realistic, but we need a tangibly positive trajectory in order for that to be exercised.
The Ten Hag era has been one of the great disappointments in my time as a United fan because I really believed we were getting a progressive, modern, transformative, intelligent coach. Unfortunately, He’s been an unmitigated disaster.
The debate over how bad he is versus previous duds is interesting but pretty irrelevant. He’s miles off the standard required for the club and that’s all that matters. Tactically we are as naive and poor as I can ever remember.
Moyes and Van Gaal were judged against a higher standard, because they immediately succeeded Ferguson. The bar was pretty low for Ten Hag to keep his job, too low if we are honest, because of the shit that preceded him. But he’s failed to even make that standard.
Hopefully Ineos will show a ruthlessness and adherence to high standards that we haven’t seen since the Ferguson era. That’s not to say that their approach shouldn’t incorporate some patience and be realistic, but we need a tangibly positive trajectory in order for that to be exercised.
The Ten Hag era has been one of the great disappointments in my time as a United fan because I really believed we were getting a progressive, modern, transformative, intelligent coach. Unfortunately, He’s been an unmitigated disaster.
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