We also seem to love doing the straight line across thing at the other end of the pitch too. But we’ve been like that for several years now. Boggles the mind
Anyone else feel that we love defending with a straight line of players and it never works?
When we are defending set pieces we also love defending with a straight line of players and all balls cleared surely go to the opposition
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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I was hoping for some rumours about him today but get the feeling he will get the season, regardless of how bad we are. So frustrating watching our hopes of CL football pan out like this when I quick change could….could, give us a chance.
Unfortunately every single manager out there is a risk. Sometimes it just doesn't work.
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The change wouldn't exactly be quick, and is also not guaranteed to improve things with a caretaker. What options do we even have for a caretaker?
Exactly. It's unfortunately too late to push for top 5 as we've waited too long before doing something like with all the previous ones. Hopefully if the next one doesn't make it our new execs will be more proactive.
The ETH we all clamoured for would have had the team running laps today, good tactician or not. Now, he is coming up with postgame soundbites that we would mock for years to come.
What I have been saying. He basically is going to have a free pass for all of this season and most likely next one as well. He’s going to talk his way out of trouble. There isn’t another manager in the league from whom so little would be expected.
A new manager would absolutely make a difference. As shite as our squad is it’s still better than injury ravaged Brentford.
We have a shit team excuse only goes so far. When you’re getting outscored by Luton Town that excuse doesn’t fly anymore.
I understand this totally. I think we all get heated because we all care so much. It is so frustrating and no matter what we believe, I don’t think there is any easy solution unfortunately.
What’s with the style of play. Hoofing the ball up the field is League one tactics.
We got the Dutch Big Sam.
We got the Dutch Big Sam.
Yeah I can’t disagree…but post SAF no manager has gotten the squad (multiple squads) to give a shit beyond a 12-18 month spell.
It’s a sodding mystery to me.
Yea its fecking weird every time when I think the team is looking good and ready to take the next step everything unravels.
But we were without our left back yesterday.
If he stays, we will immediately lose out on three big managers. Then come December/summer we might have to actually be considering Southgate/Potter.
No you don't let players go on a free, you sell them. Or keep them, but there can't be some middle ground where people are saying "Oh he can't play properly because he has Rashford and Bruno" when he's responsible for those players being mainstays in the team. Either accept blame with the players, or sell them off for others that can be more effective.
You're in for a big surprise if you think a new management structure will lead to a turnaround next season. It will take at least 3 summers.
And we haven't trained much since the international break return so he needs more time.
People say this every time and it's never true (as far as simple improvement of performances and results, I'm not speaking about title challenge)
It breaks my brain to think that some United fans still want this guy to manage us.
We have been shocking since just before the league cup final. There's been no improvement, no patterns of play emerging, no mentality change.
In fact we've actually regressed!
2 years is enough time to judge him now and he is just not the person to take us forward.
We have been shocking since just before the league cup final. There's been no improvement, no patterns of play emerging, no mentality change.
In fact we've actually regressed!
2 years is enough time to judge him now and he is just not the person to take us forward.
It's the same attitude our fans have with players as well. Always needing to give everyone "time" when often it's clear as day incompetence. There's a reason we fall into the same cycle repeatedly while a club like Madrid won't hesitate to sack a manager after a few months if they can see it isn't working.
We keep the same players around and expect different results.
Goldbridge still backing him and blaming players. Wanker.
I can only imagine there’s some form of not qualifying for a CL place clause in place and once it’s mathematical for us not being able to get a CL place they’ll fire ETH, I don’t for a second believe Ratcliffe and his team haven’t seen how horrendous we are on the pitch or how every pundit and reporter has publicly trashed how bad we are.
There was lots of reports the other week of how Ineos want to change things from a manager to a head coach which pretty much says things are going to change and most likely moving ETH on, Ratcliffe spoke about how the clubs identity and on pitch style will be decided by the football structure so the head coaches job will simply be to coach that style and pick the best 11 based on training and performing in that style.
Right now I’d happily have a structure of Ratcliffe, Berrada, Blanc, Brailsford, Ashworth, a Technical Director and bring Kieran McKenna in as head coach then surround McKenna with progressive coaches who can really improve our players in the designated style implemented by the footballing structure and then tell the players that no one is bigger than the hierarchy and if they don’t show improvements they’ll be moved on regardless of name or stature.
I previously preached patience but it's hard to defend what we're seeing at this stage of the season. Yesterday I felt that Brentford were just the latest team that clearly had our number and were playing us off the pitch after 10 mins or so. I counted on the management seeing this and tweaking the system so that we'd come out in the second half and turn it around, or at least try something different. But nothing happened. Again. It was genuinely baffling. If he has a plan, it's almost impossible to see and his post-match comments rarely offer much insight. I don't know what the new structure will bring but it's difficult to maintain faith in ETH with the way we're playing this season. Another season? Hmmmm.....I dislike the turnover in managers, especially with some of the names mentioned, but we're honestly so hard to watch most games that I'm not sure I could take it. Serious question -- what is he showing that warrants another season? I'm clutching at straws here....the cup? the youth? Is something happening we're not recognizing on the pitch that will reap rewards in due course? ETH has a hard time explaining anything and what he's trying to impose so we can only surmise from the way we play....and that evidence is pretty damning.
Because of FFP it takes at least 3 years to rotate a squad no matter who takes charge or who runs the club.
We should just bin him and get some caretaker for the next few games ..
Maybe it will be interesting..
I don't expect us to win 1 game .. Liverpool, Arsenal will hammer us ..
We might win 1 -2 games.. but I am sure we will not win a single game comfortably
Maybe it will be interesting..
I don't expect us to win 1 game .. Liverpool, Arsenal will hammer us ..
We might win 1 -2 games.. but I am sure we will not win a single game comfortably
I believe what De Zerbi is doing at Brighton is far more impressive than what ten Hag accomplished at Ajax when you consider the limited resources available to De Zerbi and injuries to Brighton this season. Ten Hag is finished imo, many backed him (including myself) and wanted him to succeed but yesterday’s effort was so dismal and one of many pathetic displays this season. Yes he’s had injuries but the fact the players still appear clueless is a major indictment of ten Hag. De Zerbi in a set up with Berrada and Ashworth could be the perfect solution moving forward.
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This off game is us, the pool game was the odd one out not this one.
And four of them were left all alone.
I seriously thought after the Brentford match that the ETH cult was going to disband and the Caf members were going to come out and say that for the good of the football club, Ten Hag needed to go.
Blown away by what seems to be the exact opposite. They seem to have rallied around each other.
‘It must make them tired to defend the guy when he’s clearly broken. The job is way too big for him. He’s a mediocre manager and he’s not capable to challenge for titles. Watching us trying to attack the Brentford defense was pure torture. I can’t understand how anyone in their right mind would want him coaching young gems like Garnacho and Mainoo. He might ruin them. Sad.
None. We are the softest “big” team when it comes to giving massively underperforming managers more time than their work warrants.
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He’s coached them both and they’ve been good under his tutelage.
For a control freak, he has no control over this team.
He was meant to instil fairness in terms of performances. But we keep seeing players in poor form and worse, lazy players keep starting.
I’m still Ten Hag in but that’s because I’m clueless at this point. The performances are just too poor.
He was meant to instil fairness in terms of performances. But we keep seeing players in poor form and worse, lazy players keep starting.
I’m still Ten Hag in but that’s because I’m clueless at this point. The performances are just too poor.
There’s zero chance he gets sacked between now and the end of the season
Because they are good. Not because he's any good.
If there's any brains in the club strategy room we'd do what Bayern did and announce a parting of the ways in the summer.
That in itself would give all the players a massive lift. Knowing there's a countdown on how much longer they have to suffer playing HagBall ™
Right now we need a manager who provides structure and proper direction to the squad. Most sound minded supporters know the larger structural and recruitment issues will take several windows to repair.
Bayern can do that because they have already begun searching for a replacement. We don’t even have our CEO and DOF in place.
Despite his tutelage? We’ll only know once he’s gone. I will give ETH credit for having identified them and made them 1st team regulars.
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