Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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BenitoSTARR said:
I disagree that this is what we’ve been doing through choice though. We’ve ended up having to make significant compromises to what the team can do.

The players would. The manager is very much up for debate. Which manager do you think without these players and in identical circumstances to this season (no LB and without a clear CB pairing all season, with significant injury and disruption to midfield) would do better?
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He’s actually talked quite a bit about this. It seems like this is what he wants to do. He’s not worried about giving up shots. He persists with a single DM despite everyone and their fecking mother seeing that our midfield is getting over run. Our best form since he arrived was when we played a 4-2-3-1 with Eriksen and Casemiro at the base. Oh, that was after we lost to Brentford and Brighton to start the season.

With 80m in CL income on the line, you’d think he’d be practical enough to see that this formation isn’t working after 40 matches and change into something we can play with some semblance of competence.

Obviously, no one is going to change your mind. You think ETH is the next Pep, or at least a manager worthy of United. I think he’s mediocre at best. So far, there is pretty overwhelming evidence that he is mediocre. We’ll see. I hope I’m wrong.
 
The Cat said:
I cannot understand the posters here who say he should be sold - said this for 2 years. Give him a bloody chance. The boy is class.
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The Cat said:
Joyous.
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The Cat said:
I've been done with him for a while now. I can't see any reason to keep him and no signs of even a glimmer of improvement
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The Cat said:
Sorry I'm not having that. Let's agree to disagree.

We are shite and he has to go.
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The Cat said:
No I'm not. We should have been out way before we got the ending.
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Your only reactions post Liverpool game…

Hmm.

Then final quote was first football post after the loss.

Hmm.

Na.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Your only reactions post Liverpool game…

Hmm.

Then final quote was first football post after the loss.

Hmm.

Na.
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fecking hell are you alright?

I was talking about Amad. Not the manager. He is clueless.

Have you been on the piss?
 
Leftback99 said:
How much extra training time do you think they had over us?
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Significant amounts with their key players all fit.

Our injuries have been worse.
DSG said:
He’s actually talked quite a bit about this. It seems like this is what he wants to do. He’s not worried about giving up shots. He persists with a single DM despite everyone and their fecking mother seeing that our midfield is getting over run. Our best form since he arrived was when we played a 4-2-3-1 with Eriksen and Casemiro at the base. Oh, that was after we lost to Brentford and Brighton to start the season.

With 80m in CL income on the line, you’d think he’d be practical enough to see that this formation isn’t working after 40 matches and change into something we can play with some semblance of competence.

Obviously, no one is going to change your mind. You think ETH is the next Pep, or at least a manager worthy of United. I think he’s mediocre at best. So far, there is pretty overwhelming evidence that he is mediocre. We’ll see. I hope I’m wrong.
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It’s what he “wants” to do in the circumstances with what we’ve had available.

I cover this in the defence of the indefensible thread.

I don’t know for certain what level he can take us to. I do however believe give him 4/5 players of the correct profile next summer and I think we’ll absolutely leap forward.
 
The Cat said:
fecking hell are you alright?

I was talking about Amad. Not the manager. He is clueless.

Have you been on the piss?
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So to be clear. You think Liverpool deserved to beat United. Despite the fact not a single media outlet, or reputable source would agree with you?
 
BenitoSTARR said:
So to be clear. You think Liverpool deserved to beat United. Despite the fact not a single media outlet, or reputable source would agree with you?
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Who cares? I judge football with my own eyes not on XG or whatever others say.

Do you honestly believe this charlatan should be in charge next season?

Let's leave it there you are clearly in a foul mood for some reason have a good evening and take care.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Significant amounts with their key players all fit.

Our injuries have been worse.

It’s what he “wants” to do in the circumstances with what we’ve had available.

I cover this in the defence of the indefensible thread.

I don’t know for certain what level he can take us to. I do however believe give him 4/5 players of the correct profile next summer and I think we’ll absolutely leap forward.
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Respect. To continue to defend him and refuse to give up an inch of ground in the face of massive amounts of data that he’s borderline incompetent is an amount of faith that few on this earth can claim.
 
It doesn’t matter what we think. We still see the same old structural stupidity in our team where there is a hug gap between attacking and defensive lines. Also, we seem to not know how to hold a ball or pass a ball. When it is one player or two, I get it - but a whole team absolutely sucking is a manager’s fault.

Maybe it is the travel on the same day as the game?

Anyway, Ten hag has the next few games to same himself. We know we say this all the time, but time is running out and the next two games are key to staying in the CL race. It is up to Ten Hag.
 
DSG said:
He’s actually talked quite a bit about this. It seems like this is what he wants to do. He’s not worried about giving up shots. He persists with a single DM despite everyone and their fecking mother seeing that our midfield is getting over run. Our best form since he arrived was when we played a 4-2-3-1 with Eriksen and Casemiro at the base. Oh, that was after we lost to Brentford and Brighton to start the season.

With 80m in CL income on the line, you’d think he’d be practical enough to see that this formation isn’t working after 40 matches and change into something we can play with some semblance of competence.

Obviously, no one is going to change your mind. You think ETH is the next Pep, or at least a manager worthy of United. I think he’s mediocre at best. So far, there is pretty overwhelming evidence that he is mediocre. We’ll see. I hope I’m wrong.
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ETH stubbornness is what’s killing us
 
DSG said:
Respect. To continue to defend him and refuse to give up an inch of ground in the face of massive amounts of data that he’s borderline incompetent is an amount of faith that few on this earth can claim.
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:lol::lol:
 
The Cat said:
Who cares? I judge football with my own eyes not on XG or whatever others say.

Do you honestly believe this charlatan should be in charge next season?

Let's leave it there you are clearly in a foul mood for some reason have a good evening and take care.
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I think you’re butthurt that you’ve made a claim everyone disagrees with you on here.

If xG isn’t an issue for you then surely 4th best defensive performance in the league is decent given we’ve had 24 (?) different defensive combinations.

Yes. I believe Ten Hag even after the Brentford game deserves a bit more time and structure around him before we throw him aside.

I believe with the right summer additions (ideally 5) we’ll see a jump in performance levels.
DSG said:
Respect. To continue to defend him and refuse to give up an inch of ground in the face of massive amounts of data that he’s borderline incompetent is an amount of faith that few on this earth can claim.
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In 2024:
W - Wigan (A) 0-2 (FA Cup)
D - Tottenham (H) 2-2
W - Newport (A) 2-4 (FA Cup)
W - Wolves (A) 3-4
W - West Ham (H) 3-0
W - Villa (A) 1-2
W - Luton (A) 1-2
L - Fulham (H) 1-2
W - Nottingham (A) 0-1 (FA Cup)
L - Man City (A) 3-1
W - Everton (H) 2-0
W - Liverpool (H) 4-3 (FA Cup)
D - Brentford (A) 1-1

Is it that bad? Really?
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I think you’re butthurt that you’ve made a claim everyone disagrees with you on here.

If xG isn’t an issue for you then surely 4th best defensive performance in the league is decent given we’ve had 24 (?) different defensive combinations.

Yes. I believe Ten Hag even after the Brentford game deserves a bit more time and structure around him before we throw him aside.

I believe with the right summer additions (ideally 5) we’ll see a jump in performance levels.

In 2024:
W - Wigan (A) 0-2 (FA Cup)
D - Tottenham (H) 2-2
W - Newport (A) 2-4 (FA Cup)
W - Wolves (A) 3-4
W - West Ham (H) 3-0
W - Villa (A) 1-2
W - Luton (A) 1-2
L - Fulham (H) 1-2
W - Nottingham (A) 0-1 (FA Cup)
L - Man City (A) 3-1
W - Everton (H) 2-0
W - Liverpool (H) 4-3 (FA Cup)
D - Brentford (A) 1-1

Is it that bad? Really?
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That's your opinion and that's fine.

But I disagree with you on every level. That is also allowed. If I could be arsed I would disprove everything you've said but it's getting late and there are better things to do.
 
The Cat said:
That's your opinion and that's fine.

But I disagree with you on every level. That is also allowed. If I could be arsed I would disprove everything you've said but it's getting late and there are better things to do.
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Well the cat is out of the bag. You a hater! :smirk:
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I think you’re butthurt that you’ve made a claim everyone disagrees with you on here.

If xG isn’t an issue for you then surely 4th best defensive performance in the league is decent given we’ve had 24 (?) different defensive combinations.

Yes. I believe Ten Hag even after the Brentford game deserves a bit more time and structure around him before we throw him aside.

I believe with the right summer additions (ideally 5) we’ll see a jump in performance levels.

In 2024:
W - Wigan (A) 0-2 (FA Cup)
D - Tottenham (H) 2-2
W - Newport (A) 2-4 (FA Cup)
W - Wolves (A) 3-4
W - West Ham (H) 3-0
W - Villa (A) 1-2
W - Luton (A) 1-2
L - Fulham (H) 1-2
W - Nottingham (A) 0-1 (FA Cup)
L - Man City (A) 3-1
W - Everton (H) 2-0
W - Liverpool (H) 4-3 (FA Cup)
D - Brentford (A) 1-1

Is it that bad? Really?
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Genuinely want to know what this structure will do?

How is this structure going to reduce shots at our goal, reduce the space in our defensive transition and make us look half decent in possession?
 
JPRouve said:
Well the cat is out of the bag. You a hater! :smirk:
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Glory hunter, not a top red, doesn't live in Manchester and frankly spoilt entitled fan who should just support the team and have no opinion.

The mental gymnastics is getting out of hand
 
The one reason I want him to stay is because I feel we might get rid of more shite under him. Another manager may give some players another chance.

Might be better for us long term to just suffer a bit of short term pain.
 
Berbaclass said:
The one reason I want him to stay is because I feel we might get rid of more shite under him. Another manager may give some players another chance.

Might be better for us long term to just suffer a bit of short term pain.
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The problem with that is whoever is in charge will find it difficult to move a lot of them on due to the contracts. It's a nightmare situation financially to move players.
 
E-mal said:
Glory hunter, not a top red, doesn't live in Manchester and frankly spoilt entitled fan who should just support the team and have no opinion.

The mental gymnastics is getting out of hand
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It was a joke, there is nothing wrong with what he said. And calling anyone a gloryhunter after more than a decade of underperformance is impressive.
 
Somethings clearly wrong with the tactics. City and Arsenal have conceded less shots combined than us in the league this season.
 
Berbaclass said:
The one reason I want him to stay is because I feel we might get rid of more shite under him. Another manager may give some players another chance.

Might be better for us long term to just suffer a bit of short term pain.
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You would hope the footballing structure above the manager would make those decisions, and will have already made those decisions in many cases.
 
He probably has to win the FA Cup now to save his job. It has been an utterly dreadful season. Worst thing nowadays is that I just no longer look forward to Man Utd games - watching is a chore. The Liverpool game could be bad.
 
Berbaclass said:
The one reason I want him to stay is because I feel we might get rid of more shite under him. Another manager may give some players another chance.

Might be better for us long term to just suffer a bit of short term pain.
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I don't really follow that idea. He brought a fair amount of the "shite" or use extensively the shite instead of younger players. If there is one thing that scares him is his lack of good judgement when it comes to players and his stubborness when it comes to stick with bad ideas.
 
Frosty said:
Generously you could say we don't have the players for the system. But that just reinforces your point, I think.
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Halve the players he’s bought have played that system for him before.
 
The Cat said:
That's your opinion and that's fine.

But I disagree with you on every level. That is also allowed. If I could be arsed I would disprove everything you've said but it's getting late and there are better things to do.
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And I would disprove everything you say and we’d all high 5 and all the models in the world would be like wow that was so awesome let’s have an orgy. But it’s getting late and there are better things to do ;)
E-mal said:
Genuinely want to know what this structure will do?

How is this structure going to reduce shots at our goal, reduce the space in our defensive transition and make us look half decent in possession?
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Buy players that can perform to a high standard in the PL in a high pressing transition side. That would help everything you have asked for.

Keep players fit and help prevent injuries particularly long term ones. That would also help keep the players who can do what we want ready to play.

A bit silly to suggest structure won’t help us perform better.

Numerous other marginal gains.
 
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