Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Fair point. But if you're asking who's at fault for giving the monkey a machine gun, no one comes out of this well.
No one actually knows. He got a champions league and league title out of a midfield with Milner and Henderson as key players. His track record from Dortmund and Liverpool suggests that Klopp is more likely than not to do well with these other players.
The goal is definitely a dominant style of play, by pressing, pro-active defending and attacking with speed.
However, dominating possession on its own means absolutely nothing. Have you not learned anything from the Louis van Gaal years?
With our current squad and injuries, we cannot play dominant with either style.
We need to keep building not tear it all up again. There is a huge improvement in effort since Ten Hag got here, the team discipline is way better.
What needs to improve is the squad: Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane, Maguire, Evans all need replacing with fitter younger players. Until then, you won‘t see us putting teams with their backs against the wall.
Ralf was right, but here are now dealing with the same problems since Moyes.
We do need an upgrade from ETH but it’s not clear anyone worth bringing in is available. Maybe there is, and if there is then that needs to happen on Monday not in June or July.
We do need an upgrade from ETH but it’s not clear anyone worth bringing in is available. Maybe there is, and if there is then that needs to happen on Monday not in June or July.
he’ll get a decent job but he’s never managing at the elite level again
ETH's inherited a massively lousy squad that he's spent the bulk of his time building up along with dealing with their off the field nonsense. Not to mention being stuck in a club where the owners couldn't make up their minds about a sale, no sale. The amount of instability that he's had to navigate and still has managed to keep us in with a shout of finishing inside the top four of the PL table. Now here we are sitting in 6th. Keep ETH’s name out of your mouths before I call Will Smith.
This, a lot of brains will start melting at this paradox.
I don't get how can people watch us play and put everything down to injuries. We're just a chore to watch and there is zero indication anything is going to change. We didn't really play that well during that mini run nor did we play exceptionally bad against Fulham. It's just the same old with variance thrown in. If people are really suggesting there is nothing ETH can do then the position of a manager is useless and mostly formal. In which case sticking with OGS might have been the better move. I guess the way the new people in charge deal with the manager situation will tell us what to expect in the future.
I don’t know how he survived Anfield
The amount of injuries he has had to deal with is not natural. 16 first-team players being injured or unavailable for periods since the start of the season. That’s two-thirds of the squad and means that Erik has not been able to pick his strongest XI once this season. Add to that the amount of issues he's had to deal with. Sancho, Greenwood, Ronaldo. Is not typical of any manager, anywhere.
Some people have lost sight of why ETH was originally hired. If we wanted top 4 battles whilst playing transition football we might as well have just kept Ole as manager.
Ten Hag was hired to implement a dominant style of modern attacking football, something he has singularly failed to do, and has also publicly announced he cannot do.
He has had every excuse under the sun made for him and after 20 months we are still performing poorly under his coaching. He has overseen our worst ever transfer and our worst ever PL result, breaking numerous unwanted records, whilst also displaying managerial naivety along the way. Our club should not be a practise ground for managers to learn their trade. Ten Hag is not ready for the level we want to be at and I doubt he ever will be.
Ten Hag was hired to implement a dominant style of modern attacking football, something he has singularly failed to do, and has also publicly announced he cannot do.
He has had every excuse under the sun made for him and after 20 months we are still performing poorly under his coaching. He has overseen our worst ever transfer and our worst ever PL result, breaking numerous unwanted records, whilst also displaying managerial naivety along the way. Our club should not be a practise ground for managers to learn their trade. Ten Hag is not ready for the level we want to be at and I doubt he ever will be.
Most managers are not able to pick their strongest XI most of the time. The injury excuse just doesn't cut it. A drop in overall performance, yes. Playing consistently bad with very little semblance of cohesive football, no.
And yet they had a better open play XG, a higher pass completion rate, more passes in our half, more passes in our final 3rd and over double the amount of entries into our area. And that’s from the ‘worst visitors we’ve had all season’. Doesn’t say much for our performances does it.
If you’re trying to defend ETH here, you’re doing a terrible job. Ironically, just like he is.
Clutching at straws here. If you see most of his goals this calendar year, its just about being in the right place at the right time. We are still to really create for him, its shocking how Bruno has no connection with him in the pitch.
Do people here watch Spurs? Their team is mostly made up of players from Conte and Jose. Yet they have a cohesion and a game plan we can only dream of.
With a shit squad, what is your point? The only thing il agree is terrible is the Champions League exit, the rest is just whinging without looking at any context.
Yeah but context. Do you really expect us to beat Bournemouth and Fulham at home? Do you expect us to outscore Luton? That's just crazy
With a shit manager*
Hilarious
So the injuries dont matter at all? Look at the team that has been playing, is that a team that should be amongst City, Liverpool and Arsenal? Spurs and Villa have players that would start for Manchester United even when we have a fully fit squad. Our squad really isnt that good and with injuries it becomes even worse.
Can anyone shed a light on the 5th place finish 23/24 PL and if it gives a CL ticket?
I just watched Villa vs Spurs, wich was interesting. Villa got well beaten (why oh why did we not buy Bissouma I will never know.)
Looking at the remainder program of both Villa and Spurs I reckon the latter will end with 68 points after 38 games played. Villa I think they will manage 66 out of 38.
That means we must get 22 points out of the remaining 9 games for us. I say we can kiss top 4 goodbye but if we do manage to make top 4, Ten Hag must be given a medal and half of the squad must be knighted.
Getting top 5 means Villa will need to have a very bad run and we still need an outstanding one, somewhere around 18 or 19 more points than we have now.
That said maybe we will implode bigtime and Newcastle and or Chelsea will overtake us, leaving United in a top 8 spot.
If you ask my tea leaves Id say we will end up top 6 with some good and some bad games. I hope we produce better but lets wait and see. What do you guys think?
I just watched Villa vs Spurs, wich was interesting. Villa got well beaten (why oh why did we not buy Bissouma I will never know.)
Looking at the remainder program of both Villa and Spurs I reckon the latter will end with 68 points after 38 games played. Villa I think they will manage 66 out of 38.
That means we must get 22 points out of the remaining 9 games for us. I say we can kiss top 4 goodbye but if we do manage to make top 4, Ten Hag must be given a medal and half of the squad must be knighted.
Getting top 5 means Villa will need to have a very bad run and we still need an outstanding one, somewhere around 18 or 19 more points than we have now.
That said maybe we will implode bigtime and Newcastle and or Chelsea will overtake us, leaving United in a top 8 spot.
If you ask my tea leaves Id say we will end up top 6 with some good and some bad games. I hope we produce better but lets wait and see. What do you guys think?
They finished 3rd last year, so yeah. Only Martinez has been out. Ddg replaced by Onana.
"Shit squad" after spending hundreds of millions to improve the one that finished 2nd and 3rd with OGS. Not hilarious.
Everton averages the second least amount of possession in the league. Yesterday at OT, they went 50% - 50% with United.
I wonder how much work with the ball do we do. Off the ball. Any work, at this point.
for clarification - I thought Everton was dangerous in the first half. And the second half was largely meandering - and they were shit - it’s just curious that a team that “hates” the ball everywhere else comes to OT and goes 50-50 with the hosts
I wonder how much work with the ball do we do. Off the ball. Any work, at this point.
for clarification - I thought Everton was dangerous in the first half. And the second half was largely meandering - and they were shit - it’s just curious that a team that “hates” the ball everywhere else comes to OT and goes 50-50 with the hosts
Yes but alas it is no joke
The below thread is a riot when you see the posts in this thread:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/expectations-for-season-2023-2024.478081/
All I asked for was better football and less hammerings. Failed on both.
Apparently he did want control over transfers, in fact it was reportedly one of his requirements for taking the job.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...g-says-taken-man-united-job-control-transfers
As Erik says himself, he is ultimately responsible and accountable for his teams results. More so when he wanted control over selecting targets and he has obviously driving recruitment since arriving from Ajax, given the players we've signed.
In this case this isn't on the club, as I've said he's been backed to a degree few managers are.
Sorry what? Every team gets worse after 2 years under a new manager?
You mean the squad that had no striker, no DM and desperately needed a center back? Ok mate.
You backed my point up if you read his actual quote. He did not want to be the sole ruler.
Also regarding the team looking worse every two-three years, yes. Thar has happened under every coach.
We're not even in the top 5 clubs for most injuries this season and they weren't all injured in one go mate. Most managers go through seasons where they don't get to pick their strongest XI. People talk about United's great 1994 team, but that 1994 team only played together once.
The biggest misses this seaon have been Martinez and Shaw (we should have signed a LB in Jan given Malacia's injury). Casemiro and Eriksen were out for 6-8 weeks before Xmas. Casemiro has been in poor form and Eriksens barely been picked since he returned so it's hard to say how much either were really missed. The rest of the injuries were squad players.
Greenwood was never goin to be part of our plans, Sancho could have been brought back into the squad but given his form at Dortmund it doesn't look like he would have changed much.
And he isn't the sole ruler. the club still have a veto. But he's been the one picking targets as he requested.
Mate stop moving the goalposts and making Erik out to be some noble victim of curcumstance. He wanted control of transfers, he got it and he's fecked it up.
So Man City and Liverpool looked worse in 2018 2 years after they were taken over by Pep and Klopp in 2015/2016 yes?
Bit confused here chaps, can anyone help me out?
It looks like Klopp's had to set up this Liverpool side with a dodgy CB playing left back. His second choice keeper. Two kids in his back four. 3 midfielders all new to the club who only signed in the summer. And his best forward and goalscorer not on the pitch and another top quality forward also out injured.
So how come they're going toe to toe with City? Shouldnt that be impossible?
Surely even having one centreback out should be enough of an excuse to play like gutless cowards with the tactical nous of a sunday league side.
It looks like Klopp's had to set up this Liverpool side with a dodgy CB playing left back. His second choice keeper. Two kids in his back four. 3 midfielders all new to the club who only signed in the summer. And his best forward and goalscorer not on the pitch and another top quality forward also out injured.
So how come they're going toe to toe with City? Shouldnt that be impossible?
Surely even having one centreback out should be enough of an excuse to play like gutless cowards with the tactical nous of a sunday league side.
Yesterdays attempt to treat Everton like a title challenger whilst playing at home has done little to change my mind. That starting11 was more than capable of playing a better brand of football than that. I appreciate we’ve had our injuries but there’s no mistaking we get outplayed pretty much every week. I’m pretty confident he’ll be gone before next season and his big non-performers will be sold too.
He hasn't requested to be the only one picking targets. Please can you literally stop making things up, it's getting quite frustrating.
He wanted a veto and to be in the room for strategy. That's an element of control, it's not sole control, so again, stop making things up.
No, they have an actual support structure for their manager. Klopp for example has a say in targets but is supported by head scouts and data science experts to overlay that with alternatives of their own, before an agreement is reached. Literally none of that happens here, we sacked our head scouts
Im saying under LVG, Jose and Ole, the squad always looked worse than two years prior. Funny how that keeps happening irrespective of coach, hey? And funny how this literally only happens at our club.
Liverpool going toe to toe with City while playing a makeshift back 4 while ETH keeps blaming injuries for his coaching deficiencies.
That is hard to believe. I‘m pretty sure we have the worst injury record out of the top 8 sides.
But ten Hag is a competent coach. His work in Ajax proved it. Do you think he forget coaching now? It would take years to completely rebuild crippled United. Onana, Garnacho, Martinez, Kobbie, Hojlund. The rebuilding already started. We just another 10 new players of their caliber to compete again.
Almost as if manager with most influence on transfers could have done something to prevent that. Shit squad, shit personnel, shit owners, shit everything but manager good. Yep, that's United fans.
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