It isn't just those games. It's all of these 50/50 games without any semblance of control, irrespective of results. There should be a dominant playstyle. Injuries or no injuries. Our results are unsustainable long term due to the erratic basketball nature of our games.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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There is this revolutionism that United in the last 10 years haven't had any bad managers and none of the coaches have any culpability in results because the recruitment was poor or because the structure wasn't in place. If the structure was the most significant factor behind a successful team, the club could hire a Sunday league organizer and carry them through.
It's an even more comical perspective when you objectively consider that every decade it's a very micro collective of managers who are consistently winning top honours, if the structure was the key to club success by way of attaining accolades every so often a new manager would emerge and dominate the domestic / European landscape. It's not a coincidence that since every manager has left the club they haven't won any honours that were of merit given the clubs prestige and history.
It's going to take a successful manager to establish a successful structure. It's not the other way around otherwise there would have been no distinction between someone like Brendan Rodgers under FSG and Klopp under FSG.
It's an even more comical perspective when you objectively consider that every decade it's a very micro collective of managers who are consistently winning top honours, if the structure was the key to club success by way of attaining accolades every so often a new manager would emerge and dominate the domestic / European landscape. It's not a coincidence that since every manager has left the club they haven't won any honours that were of merit given the clubs prestige and history.
It's going to take a successful manager to establish a successful structure. It's not the other way around otherwise there would have been no distinction between someone like Brendan Rodgers under FSG and Klopp under FSG.
Here we go, whether or not you think we overpaid for Ten Hag's signings is irrelevant to the point, which of course is the club let him pick his targets and signed them for hundreds of millions. And he can't get a tune out of most of them, just like the vast majority of the rest of the squad.
Sexy football?
I and I think most people would settle for football with some sort of style and structure. In fact any sort of style and structure, which would be an improvement on the chaos we're watching on a weekly basis currently.
Well the available evidence over 2 seasons points to that good run we had last year from October to February being nothing more than a new manager bounce.
Tactics were spot on today. Bruno as false nine and getting Rashford and Garnacho in behind worked great.
Can‘t blame Ten Hag for United giving the ball away a million times; it was unnecessary and poor.
We were a threat all game long getting in behind and limited Everton to pot shots and one decent chance.
Let‘s not forget we are without key players, no lb and no striker.
Can‘t blame Ten Hag for United giving the ball away a million times; it was unnecessary and poor.
We were a threat all game long getting in behind and limited Everton to pot shots and one decent chance.
Let‘s not forget we are without key players, no lb and no striker.
Does any blame have to be attributed to explain why Ten Hag isn't good enough? He just isn't, he's had two seasons and our performance trajectory since March last year has been an ever downward spiral.
Ferguson was a managerial genius, Tony Pulis wasn't I don't think anyone could really be blamed for either of those things being true.
Herein lies the problem, if the manager is unable to do so with players of his own strategic choices, assessment and selection why would a recruitment department make any difference? If anything, the manager being unable to get better performances from players under the current circumstances (where he has much liberty of target selection) refining this criteria should in theory make things worse.
I think every manager needs to have a decent imprint on recruitment, Guardiola left Bayern over this very issue reportedly. This is why Murtough's involvement doesn't absolve the manager because irrespective Erik's decision over squad building alone signifies him not being the best judge of talent. As Solskjaer stated, no signing happened at United without his approval so it's logical to assume the same would have been the case for every manager back to Moyes.
I've got no issue with people wanting the manager gone or saying it was a poor performance today. But I'm not having it that we didn't deserve to win that match. Everton were atrocious and we easily should have scored another 3 or 4 goals.
You can't control games without a squad suited for possession. Our recruitment has been atrocious for the best part of a decade, it's not a Ten Hag problem.
That was the case though. When the injured players came back we played better and won games!
You can't just throw £500m spent as some sort of indictment on ten hag and then say I can't point to shitty negotiation by Murtough
Not sure how you come to the conclusion that they are as vulnerable as us considering the bits in bold? And things like pressing are useless if not done well and actually cause more harm.
Also, they are more compact, there is less space between players. Teams do not have the space to play as they do when they play us.
Still picking up the wins and has the best win ratio with us then the previous managers. It’s hard to still win games when you’ve got no strikers, you’ve got no LB, you’re playing a 36 year old at CB…. Our best midfielder as been an 18 Year old. Give pep this team and see what he can do with it…
Could not agree more. We weren't great, particularly in the first half but Everton were poor. Hence the 2-0.
I agree with this today. That was one of the worst performances against us this season and they didn't deserve a thing. It was also a case of a broken clock being right, with our counter attacking football working in enough moments to win. Penalties were ridiculous for Everton to give away, and our general play was poor as standard, but we could have got more with the pace in behind we have. I think they should have had at least 2 goals too.
I agree with the commentators, Rio and Scholes though that the football isn't great and its very fragmented. I'm just glad the pundits are finally calling it for what it is. Hopefully those in charge are taking notes.
An XG of less than 1.5 over 90 mintues has little to do with poor finishing nor final ball. It shows rather you are not creating anything of note. Then once you factor in the number of shots on target that the had its pretty obvious they spent their time making pot shots and impossible blockable ones all game long. So the entire narrative "they could have had "3 of 4" is absolute beans.
The way certain pundits and certain sections of our fans are talking. One would think Everton were constantly putting Onana's goal in danger and he was overly busy. Till they watch the actual highlights accompanied with the XG data.
The actual truth is inspite of a nervy and lacking in quality than effort performance United should easily have won 5-6 nil looking at the hightlights alone.
Thought he got it bang on today and we should have won by more.
The loser mentality excuses are beyond boring. Pep dominated the league without a striker btw
Sure. The rest of his squad was identical to what United have now too. What a blow for Ten hag!
Martinez makes a huge difference. An agressive defender who will push up and is a better passer than all our midfielders makes a huge difference. He made a diference when he returned but that return just didnt last long.
That's the only difference right?
Come on man, whether you are ETH in or out or don't care, this type of post is just ridiculous.
Crazy how class our squad was last season despite the manager. According to some of you lot we would have been challenging for the league last season if he wasn't in charge
He also had a functioning midfield and a full defence btw.
Reports coming out tonight that he could walk away in the summer if he doesn’t get control of certain aspects of the club. Can see a big managerial merry go round in the summer. Ajax would take ETH back and Dortmund may be interested… he’ll get another decent job whether he’s sacked or walks away.
please go
We must have stumbled into that 3rd place and a trophy beating City, Pool and Barca last season for some reason right? Can't be anything to do with our clueless fraud of a managerI like a bit of shadow boxing too, but wtf is this.
I meant no one said we'd have challenged for the league last season with a different manager. You're just making it up to argue with yourself.
We had an even lower open play XG of 1 yet here you are below…
…claiming we easily could have won 5 or 6 nil.
So on the one hand your arguing that Everton scoring 3 or 4 with an open play XG of 1.5 is ‘absolute beans’ but on the other arguing that United ‘should easily have won 5-6 nil’ with an open play XG of 1.
And that’s before you even consider the fact that Everton had a higher pass completion rate, more passes in our half, more passes in our final 3rd and more passes in our area. Something that’s already been pointed out to you but that you’ve conveniently been ignored.
Honestly you ETH fans really do love to tie yourself in knots defending such abject mediocrity.
If you extrapolate the belief held by many in this thread that EtH is holding this team back then you can safely assume we would have been better last season?
100 percent this
Could take that power as he still wants transfer control, yet the many excuses people come up for for him is that he shouldn’t have to deal with transfers. Quite the conundrum
Funny, a lot of his defenders in here claim he doesn't actually want significant power over transfers and only exercised it out of necessity since the outgoing hierarchy is incompetent.
To me the red flag isn’t our lack of convincing performances, but the lack of any identity after 101 games under ETH. What kind of team are we? I struggle to understand what we are aiming to do. There were glimpses last season but very brief to make any proper assessment. Can’t see ETH winning much at United.
Now this, is "absolute beans". It was just a typical United win. Chances for us. Chances for them. 50/50 possession and another game that gives you nothing to cling to in terms of progress.
Awful football from him again today, despite the two penalties. I hope he does walk this summer. That way, we don't have to pay any compensation.
That “mutual agreement to part ways” announcement is going to hit like crack.
Hopefully we don’t pay him anything, and he gets to save some face.
Hopefully we don’t pay him anything, and he gets to save some face.
Regardless of the paper Mullock has been pretty spot on with Ten Hag ever since we were rumoured to be interested, he seems to be tied to his camp somewhat
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