Licha-Vidic
Last Man Standing 2 finalist 2023/24
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You clearly have zero standards. You might enjoy this hot potato stuff, but I don't.If you actually think today was "atrocious stuff " you seriously call into doubt your understanding of the term
Yeah that post is riddled with hyperbole.It was awful. Zero control of the game whatsoever. 2-0 was incredibly flattering, particularly in the first half. Everton continued to probe in the second half, but with less and less belief. It was embarrassing how poor we were in possession. Sloppy would have been an improvement. Also, as usual, plenty of gaps and space for Everton to play through us with ease. We won't get anywhere with such a lack of appreciation for possession and control.
They don't excede 3-4 in the league alone. In 28 league rounds the figure is worse of terms of match to match changes in the back 4 and strongest possible 8 and 6 pair pair in terms of lining up the stongest possible grouping.Looking at the squad available to him, was wondering how many times did he have first choice 11 available to him this season?
Some posters seem legitimately angry after we win a game.
Can't imagine how pissed you guys will be if we happen to beat Liverpool.
This thread explodes after every game, people are so focused on the manager that we barely discuss anything else match related.
I'd love to see how a team with 2 youngsters, McTominay, Evans and Linde at LB performs for Pep Guardiola. I bet he'll win the trebble with them!
No, it isn't. If Everton had anything about them, they would have scored 2 or 3 today. Definitely a case of the scoreline covering over the cracks. That's nothing new in recent weeks.Yeah that post is riddled with hyperbole.
Rather I have ACTUAL standards. That's why I'm not straight up delusional. No one with ANY actual standards can have witnessed our collapse at home to Brighton this season for example. Compare it to this match and label THIS one the "attrocious stuff". Just a straight up deluded individual.You clearly have zero standards. You might enjoy this hot potato stuff, but I don't.
Call it what you like. Atrocious, awful, poor. Nothing enjoyable about that rubbish today. We can be thankful that Everton were thick as bricks inside their own penalty area and couldn't finish their dinner in ours.Rather I have ACTUAL standards. That's why I'm not straight up delusional. No one with ANY actual standards can have witnessed our collapse at home to Brighton this season for example. Compare it to this match and label THIS one the "attrocious stuff". Just a straight up deluded individual.
No, it isn't. If Everton had anything about them, they would have scored 2 or 3 today.....
The only thing I have to be thankful for is am not as willfully miserable as you are.Call it what you like. Atrocious, awful, poor. Nothing enjoyable about that rubbish today. We can be thankful that Everton were thick as bricks inside their own penalty area and couldn't finish their dinner in ours.
Thats such bollocks why are you just rewriting the game and trying to sway things to Everton just because we won 2-0 with chances of our own?No, it isn't. If Everton had anything about them, they would have scored 2 or 3 today. Definitely a case of the scoreline covering over the cracks. That's nothing new in recent weeks.
A combination of poor finishing and a poor final ball. We were gifting them possession at will, particularly in the first half. A decent side would have punished us for that and the huge space we afforded them.Hold up....They literally had an XG of less than 1.5. Over 90 minutes.
1.17 at by half time with less of the ball..
A miserable 0.09 after second half when they had more of the ball.
How on earth does that translate to " Two or three goals"?
I'd love to be positive about a United performance, but there's nothing from that you can get any enjoyment from. Result aside.The only thing I have to be thankful for is am not as willfully miserable as you are.
We won a couple of pens. Fair play to Garnacho. Poor defending from them. As a performance, nowhere near good enough.Thats such bollocks why are you just rewriting the game and trying to sway things to Everton just because we won 2-0 with chances of our own?
From threatening play. There were other moments where we threatened too. Had we not got an early goal you are also assuming we wouldn't have ramped up the urgency in our own play.We won a couple of pens. Fair play to Garnacho. Poor defending from them. As a performance, nowhere near good enough.
It was another one of those 50/50 shootouts against a below average team. We play a brand of football that isn't conducive to winning. We didn't get away with it against Fulham, but we did today. We should be controlling games against such opposition, not merely hoping that we take our chances and they miss theirs.From threatening play. There were other moments where we threatened too. Had we not got an early goal you are also assuming we wouldn't have ramped up the urgency in our own play.
Two goals before the first half enabled us to see the game through and just be professional and organised. Its fair enough given the circumstances.
No. I’m saying a large part of our squad are simply not good enough to push for a title, and the club is no longer in a fit state to support this ambition.So you are saying Erik Ten Hag hasn't been able to positively affect probably the main problem he was hired to address in the first place?
Define controlling? 2-0 up with even possession and reducing them to pot shots seems OK to me.It was another one of those 50/50 shootouts against a below average team. We play a brand of football that isn't conducive to winning. We didn't get away with it against Fulham, but we did today. We should be controlling games against such opposition, not merely hoping that we take our chances and they miss theirs.
Hold up....They literally had an XG of less than 1.5. Over 90 minutes.
1.17 at by half time with less of the ball..
A miserable 0.09 after second half when they had more of the ball.
How on earth does that translate to " Two or three goals if they had anything about them"?
Controlling would equate to heavily dominating them in terms of possession and having more shots on goal.Define controlling? 2-0 up with even possession and reducing them to pot shots seems OK to me.
He had 8 of his preferred starting XI on the pitch:He also has big problems in defence and up front. The game tends to be played all over the park in case you didn't know.
I disagree. Control is not limited to just possession.Controlling would equate to heavily dominating them in terms of possession and having more shots on goal.
Then do what any elite manager would do and change the effin tactics...the fact that he can't/ is unwilling is why he should go.
Big teams dominate possession. We don't. It's as simple as that.I disagree. Control is not limited to just possession.
We haven't played like a big team in years. And that's not a slight on our manager but on the club for mishandling the recruitment structure for so many years, among other areas.Big teams dominate possession. We don't. It's as simple as that.
Hes had to rotate his starting back four way too many times, mostly out of obligation. That doesn't help build any chemistry whatsoever. Today he had no left back and no striker to pick from, alongside a center back who can't play up in a highline and a defensive midfielder who is frankly washed up now.I do think that at this point the "injuries" thing is overplayed (well it has always been imo).
United is missing three starters - with the rest of injured players being squad players. Out of the three starters missing - two are part of the back 4. The effect in our play shouldn't be this accentuated/felt. I mean we do train as a team, right? Injuries are part of the game, and obviously our injury situation has fluctuated/changed through the course of the season, but I'd hope we would be playing better football as a team this deep into his tenure.
Yes, ten Hag should have been saved from himself. However, he's just as culpable because it was him who wanted this level of power and responsibility. Recruitment aside, ten Hag should be a good enough coach to implement a dominant style of play, rather than this eternal game of 'you have a go - we have a go'.We haven't played like a big team in years. And that's not a slight on our manager but on the club for mishandling the recruitment structure for so many years, among other areas.
Actually he just wanted to be involved in strategy and have a veto. He never asked for sole leadership on transfers.Yes, ten Hag should have been saved from himself. However, he's just as culpable because it was him who wanted this level of power and responsibility. Recruitment aside, ten Hag should be a good enough coach to implement a dominant style of play, rather than this eternal game of 'you have a go - we have a go'.
Hes had to rotate his starting back four way too many times, mostly out of obligation. That doesn't help build any chemistry whatsoever. Today he had no left back and no striker to pick from, alongside a center back who can't play up in a highline and a defensive midfielder who is frankly washed up now.
Its a matter of injuries, match rhythm and players not suited to a progressive style of play.
Yes. And just to be clear, if he hadnt got top 4 with that I'd have no arguments against a sack.Genuine and honest question - had we not had these injury issues, do you think we'd be comfortable top 4 and have a consistent style of play? Do you think this manager has the ability to be a success here long term?
Excuse him for the club's recruitment if you wish. However, you cannot excuse him for our lack of control in games. We get blown away by the majority of sides in the top half and partake in 50/50 games against the other sides in the league.Actually he just wanted to be involved in strategy and have a veto. He never asked for sole leadership on transfers.
What he did not ask for is the director of football offering no viable alternatives to his suggestions, failing to negotiate deals at a better market value and being poor in handling a squad clear out.
As I've said many times, there are games I blame him for including Bournemouth, West Ham and Palace for example.Excuse him for the club's recruitment if you wish. However, you cannot excuse him for our lack of control in games. We get blown away by the majority of sides in the top half and partake in 50/50 games against the other sides in the league.
If you expect dominant performances with this many injuries it's a you problem. Managers that would do better simply aren't out there. I'd love to see what the latest fashionable manager does with Lindelof as CB and evans needing to fill in, whilst hojlund is injured along side a host of key defenders.
He had 8 of his preferred starting XI on the pitch:
Onana
Dalot Varane X X
Casemiro
Mainoo Bruno
Garnacho X Rashford
With a whole week on the training ground to prepare a positive, dominant, style of play vs an out of form Everton.
We shouldn’t be scraping past Everton, allowing 20+ shots. Also Everton had 49% possession today. Their season average is 35%! It’s unacceptable and unsustainable. With 8 first team players out of 11, the style of play shouldn’t be so fecking shit. It’s amateur.
It has been since the first game of the season vs Wolves (with his full 11). I’d actually say it’s a telling sign of our 12 month decline, as we dominated Everton this time last year. That was probably our last good performance overall. A whole year.
Then why has EVERY manager in charge of then been reoearedly panned for results you are suddenly trying to praise?Not good enough to win the league? Absolutely. But these badly assembled squads have managed to be in the top 4 several times and won a few cups along the way.
Because it so factually is!Yet you are claiming, with a straight face, that our assembled squads are worse than Luton and Burnley.
Id like my managers to listen to the experts around them. You just come across really contrarian. Anything he says or does any context we get provided it’s all just another thing to moan about with you.Does ETH not have a mind of his own then?
Anyone with half a brain cell could have told you that Shaw constantly has injury problems & relying on Malacia not to have anymore setbacks after two knee operations in the space of six months was a massive risk.
As usual with ETH it’s everyone else’s fault. He’s in self preservation mode and looking for excuses at every turn.
I 100% agree that playing Shaw after that knock was really risky. And if medical staff have said he’s ok to play then thats a worry.He got Shaw back and threw him right back into the thick of things without easing him in. Even played him with a knock so it's the managers own fault he's injured again.