I turned the game off as soon as he brought on Amrabat. Could we not put in one of the youths? I know he's blooded Mainoo, but who else? Play more of the kids, please.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Except now you would be accused of being miserable for not celebrating a win
Why do we even have a manager then? If there's absolutely nothing the manager can do due to the state of the club and the squad, why do we pay him millions per year? Why not just play without a manager at that point?
Oh noes, whatever shall we do with all those long range shots against us.
Some posters seem legitimately angry after we win a game.
Can't imagine how pissed you guys will be if we happen to beat Liverpool.
This thread explodes after every game, people are so focused on the manager that we barely discuss anything else match related.
I'd love to see how a team with 2 youngsters, McTominay, Evans and Linde at LB performs for Pep Guardiola. I bet he'll win the trebble with them!
Can't imagine how pissed you guys will be if we happen to beat Liverpool.
This thread explodes after every game, people are so focused on the manager that we barely discuss anything else match related.
I'd love to see how a team with 2 youngsters, McTominay, Evans and Linde at LB performs for Pep Guardiola. I bet he'll win the trebble with them!
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It was still Spurs ffs.
It’s just not long range shots though, against Everton today the amount of times they had the ball in our box with space and able to get a shot off was ridiculous. Been the same in most games this season, we consistently leak chances and we were lucky today to get a clean sheet.
To save face. So that a number of fans will fall for the hope of every purposeful engineered false dawn and go for the manager after EVERY boom and burst cycle rather than after who is to really blame. It's a strategy that has worked to perfection 8 years running.
Delusion
You do realise where we are right?
So you are saying Erik Ten Hag hasn't been able to positively affect probably the main problem he was hired to address in the first place?
That's some conspiracy.
The fact is the manager has full control over the entire first team. Not only that, Ten Hag has a big say in recruitment as requested by himself. The narrative that he is powerless to do anything to get a team playing well is a baffling one to understand. He has more control and backing to shape his team into exactly what he wants than most managers in football
Reality.
Use a midfield?
The football under Ten Hag is really bad, probably the worst I've seen under any manager in my lifetime, including before SAF came along.
There doesn't seem to be any real feeling to any of it. Like so many of the players just seem to be trying to get the game over so they can get on with their lives or what have you. Contrast that with the way Klopp and Pep have their teams looking. Not just organised and winning, but hungry and at the very least, bothered.
The only person who looked less arsed out there today than our lads, was Pickford. We should get him in, try to complete the set. Laughing and joking as they lost I reckon he'd fit right in.
There doesn't seem to be any real feeling to any of it. Like so many of the players just seem to be trying to get the game over so they can get on with their lives or what have you. Contrast that with the way Klopp and Pep have their teams looking. Not just organised and winning, but hungry and at the very least, bothered.
The only person who looked less arsed out there today than our lads, was Pickford. We should get him in, try to complete the set. Laughing and joking as they lost I reckon he'd fit right in.
The same cycle has repeated itself since Moyes was sacked. All your posts in this thread are the literal embodiment of the final phase of the cycle. No wonder you think it consiracy
The fact is no manager after SAF EVER has. The fact 8 years running you are STILL blind to that reality says it all really.
The Glazers got you good! Hook line and sinker...
Not that it was directed to me, but I think it shows that more has to change than just the manager if we are to actually transcend our footballing philosophy.
No. The reality is that we are fecking shite.
The reality is that we’ve conceded the second most shots in the league all season. And that reflects what we’ve seen with our own eyes.Teams regularly run through us at will every single game. They’re constantly in behind our midfield and on top of our defence.
That has nothing to do with injuries it’s just piss poor tactics.
We've won 8 and drawn 1 out of our 11 games of 2024. I really don't think we are as shite as you say we are.
Thats actually bollocks. With a 38 year old at Cb and slow CB at left back, it means our defence is a lot deeper and not as progressive building out. Our DM has also proven to be very erratic and ill suited to the direct style from the back.
Thats personnel not suited for the tactics. Not the tactics necessarily being poor.
Looking at the squad available to him, was wondering how many times did he have first choice 11 available to him this season?
I think he's only been able to field his first choice defense alone less than 6 times this season, or something like that. That's before we consider other areas of the pitch with injury.
We shouldn't sack him without a proper good manager is available. We miss out on one every single time after we hire a new manager thats no where near good. Otherwise we WILL be back to square one and it’ll be the same as always.
I don't necessarily disagree but after 2 years and around £500m spent on players, most of them hand picks by Ten Hag to suit his style. The fact that we are now worse in terms of results and football played than we were before ETH arrived. Would point to the conclusion that Erik certainly isn't helping matters and probably isn't the man to take United to the next level.
Then do what any elite manager would do and change the effin tactics...the fact that he can't/ is unwilling is why he should go.
We are. Watch our games. Today for example, atrocious stuff.
The money is immaterial - if Murtough can't negotiate well it shouldn't be a slight on Ten Hag. We have wasted money under Ten Hag as manager and for a decade before him, so I Think the question is "why is £500m spent actually looking like £100m spent" more than anything else.
Also on the "our football is worse" point - again, I genuinely dont' think there is a manager out there who gets us playing sexy football with these available players. At best you'll get a new manager bounce but not much more than that.
There are very limited workable options with the available players at his disposal. He has had extended periods with no striker or no proper defence and in overlapping scenarios both.
Counter doesn't really work because his forward line isn't ruthless enough. Building up from the back obviously isn't helping us dominate games because the squad players cant play keep ball very well. However this year, the approach he has used still churns out results, so there is an argument that there's no need to tweak anything yet.
It’s not bollocks though it’s just shite tactics. Because it’s been happening all season, ever since pre-season (when plenty pointed out it was suicidal tactics that would never work) and has happened with every single combination of defenders & midfielders all season long. Not just a ‘38 year old centre back (he’s actually 36) & a slow CB at left back’
And even if it was just a case of the ‘personnel not suited for the tactics. Not the tactics necessarily being poor’ why the feck continue with them all season long when everyone can see they don’t work? How is that a sign of a good manager?
When Jamie Carragher can rip apart your whole tactical plan live on MNF you know you’re in trouble.
I've seen our games. We weren't atrocious today - that's exaggeration. We didnt dominate but we created enough, we were organized enough and we were professional enough to churn out a clean sheet. Which is about what I'd expect for now given the circumstances.
Jamie Charrager ripped nothing - he just pointed out there is a big gap between defence and midfield, which we all know. What he did not focus enough time on is the "why". That is lazy punditry, its easy to point at gaps but you need to ask why that's happening.It’s not bollocks though it’s just shite tactics. Because it’s been happening all season, ever since pre-season (when plenty pointed out it was suicidal tactics that would never work) and has happened with every single combination of defenders & midfielders all season long. Not just a ‘38 year old centre back (he’s actually 36) & a slow CB at left back’
And even if it was just a case of the ‘personnel not suited for the tactics. Not the tactics necessarily being poor’ why the feck continue with them all season long when everyone can see they don’t work? How is that a sign of a good manager?
When Jamie Carragher can rip apart your whole tactical plan live on MNF you know you’re in trouble.
The pre-season game plan (and start of season) was clearly playing two 8.5s with Mount and Bruno. That wasn't working, I agree, in much the same way as how Arteta's Havertz experiment wasn't working.. until it eventually DID click. Now whether we would have clicked into gear had our players been fit, I don't know. But I do know that we would be far less open if we had a fitter defence. We weren't this open last season and Ten Hag is generally not this open in his managerial career, so you can apply some common sense into it and take circumstance into consideration.
Ah yes those glorious wins against League 2 Newport Country, League 1 Wigan, 18th placed Luton, 17th placed Forrest & 16th placed Everton. A run of form that will go down in the ages.
Thank you for finally admitting the tactics and set up are shite. Took you long enough but we got there.
And wins against Villa, Wolves, West Ham and a draw to Spurs.
You can whinge and moan about us winning against semi difficult or beatable teams - but you cant argue against the consistency of said results.
If you actually think today was "atrocious stuff " you seriously call into doubt your understanding of the term
When did I say the gap was there by design?
It was awful. Zero control of the game whatsoever. 2-0 was incredibly flattering, particularly in the first half. Everton continued to probe in the second half, but with less and less belief. It was embarrassing how poor we were in possession. Sloppy would have been an improvement. Also, as usual, plenty of gaps and space for Everton to play through us with ease. We won't get anywhere with such a lack of appreciation for possession and control.
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