Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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How many more managers will we have before somebody cottons onto the common theme on the last 10 years?
I really hope INEOS have the backbone to support the manager and shake up or ship out our squad of snowflakes.


Yeah because the same players have been here for 10 years getting managers the sack
 
I'm still scratching my head about his reasoning for signing mount and going in to the season light in striker options and if he truly thought martial could have been relied upon then he is hugely out of his depth and naive.

Was the argument that we needed to add to the midfield which would be bizarre because mount is not a midfielder and we then went and then got rid of fred when he would have offered more of contribution this season than mount and amrabat in midfield
 
Yeah because the same players have been here for 10 years getting managers the sack

Obviously not, but the club has been run like a commercial club. Not a proper football club. Sir Jim said that if United got a proper footballing setup, everyone will thrive and the commercial side will follow as a consequence.

I think most of us will agree with him.

I’d love to see Erik ten Hag get a fighting chance.
 
I have a lot of sympathy for Ten Hag with regard to the situation he stepped into with a club in disarray which provided very little support to help the manager with scouting and recruitment. Additionally, he's had to deal with a drawn out sale of the club hanging over his head. It's been extremely difficult.

With that said I just struggle to see what he's attempting to build towards tactically. There's been very little progression to suggest we're establishing systems and structures that can lead to long-term success on the pitch. I'm fine giving him the rest of the season, because making a change now doesn't make much sense, but barring a drastic turnaround in overall performance levels we should be moving on at the end of the campaign.
 
Do you think we have brought in players over the past 10 years that are of the required quality?

Yes, I think we've brought players of the required quality to not be languishing in 6th with 10 league losses in February - with a 0 goal difference, and being the second team that has faced the most shots in the league, as well as finishing last in a CL group that included the likes of Copenhagen and Galatasaray (all due respect).

I don't think I've seen anyone here saying we should be competing for the title - hell, the bar is so low I don't even think most people here are asking for trophies.

I am not tied to ETH but quite clearly the new manager needs serious backing and the squad needs a real revamp.

Our top players Shaw Rashord Bruno
Maguire are players who have not done it at the top level or are past it if they have Varane, Casemiro

Most of the players you would keep or build around are either kids (Mainoo Garnacho, or have injury issues Martinez)

I don't understand what you're saying here because thinking the manager isn't good enough and knowing the squad needs revamping and upgrading aren't mutually exclusive trains of thought.

The post I replied to, that caused you to interject, stated "How many more managers will we have before somebody cottons onto the common theme on the last 10 years?...something something...players...snowflakes", which prompted me to highlight that the squad now is largely the current manager's.
 
You’ve seen the video of the passing drills comparing his Ajax team to United when he came in, right? Our squad looked amateurish at best. We struggle to string passes together so how can he implement a style (other than counter attacking long balls)
You can't look at videos like that in isolation. If you want to build an agenda then yeah go ahead. Andy Mitten posted a video of training recently and the context around it was stripped and you had people insulting the players.
 
It's guesswork.
Definitely, the logic is fairly sound though. Bayern and Liverpool have both announced their current managers are leaving in the summer. They'll be in the process of drawing up alternatives and likely contacting preferences. Be surprised if Brailsford, Berrada and Ashworth are happy to wait until the season is over to make a call while our peers get a run on the top tier managers.
 
How many more managers will we have before somebody cottons onto the common theme on the last 10 years?
I really hope INEOS have the backbone to support the manager and shake up or ship out our squad of snowflakes.
Hiring shit managers? Name one of them that would have won the league with prime Barcelona players.
 
Definitely, the logic is fairly sound though. Bayern and Liverpool have both announced their current managers are leaving in the summer. They'll be in the process of drawing up alternatives and likely contacting preferences. Be surprised if Brailsford, Berrada and Ashworth are happy to wait until the season is over to make a call while our peers get a run on the top tier managers.
Yeah I agree with the sentiment for sure.

But I don't think they need to make a firm decision unless they get wind of say, De Zerbi being tapped up or whatever it might be.
 
Hiring shit managers? Name one of them that would have won the league with prime Barcelona players.
Yeh I find that argument really weird. We've signed shit players and also hired shit managers. That is the common theme. Which is why people are excited about the new top brass. Hopefully we don't sign and don't keep shit players and shit managers.
 
Yeah I agree with the sentiment for sure.

But I don't think they need to make a firm decision unless they get wind of say, De Zerbi being tapped up or whatever it might be.
Yeh. I just wonder what they'll be waiting to see from ten Hag that they haven't already seen, or don't already know. He's been here for close to two years.
 
Neville mentioned it almost two weeks ago on the Overlap also:

Yes but he's caveating it's guesswork.
In your video he says he reckons Dan Ashworth will give ten hag another year. He's just guessing
 
Yeh. I just wonder what they'll be waiting to see from ten Hag that they haven't already seen, or don't already know. He's been here for close to two years.
They're probably waiting for Dan Ashworth to get sorted along with whoever else is coming in to work with recruitment. Once those deals are done the manager is the last piece of the puzzle.
 


Shots against don't matter though right ??

MNF going in hard on ten hags non existent defensive coaching today though.
 
Seems like the next two games will decide whether he is sacked now or in the summer. Must deliver against Nottingham Forest, at least, if he is to stay.
 
It weird cos teams very rarely have a fully fit squad.

Liverpool have got terrible injuries and they're competing on four fronts. Arsenal's good run in form has coincided with the introduction of Kiwior - our 4th choice LB. Our strongest 11 is:

Martinelli / Jesus / Saka
Rice / Partey / Odegaard
Timber / Gabriel / Saliba / White
Raya​

How many games have they played together? Zero. How about we swap in Zinchenko for Timber. Zero. Havertz for Jesus? Zero. Jorginho for Partey? Still Zero.

If you can only avoid being overrun when you have a clean bill of health - you a pretty limited Manager.
Fantastic post. Injuries are no excuse for 12 months of sub par performances from the Head Coach.
 
Hiring shit managers? Name one of them that would have won the league with prime Barcelona players.
Mourinho. LVG. ten Hag.
Jose won plenty, in multiple different leagues. He won the CL with lowly Porto.
LVG has taken a team to the WC final.
You know about ten Hags Ajax. It’s clear they were a very well drilled squad.
Slightly simplistic question, obviously the three men mentioned (possibly excepting LVG) wouldn’t play the same system as prime Barca (I presume you mean Peps team) but I get the point about better players. Kind of makes my point though. Our squad just simply isn’t good enough.
 
i think that's quite ridiculous. most of those players have finished 2nd and 3rd twice each. you don't achieve that if every season is a "failure", man united or not. put the individual good/best performers from those seasons into a better team and they'd be title contenders.

there's been undoubted individual and collective failure seasons, from the collective (this one + ole/ralf + jose's 3rd) and from individual players (too many to count, but anything martial did after 2020 is a good place to start from). if it was all failure all the time for all players, it would be worse than the moyes or ralf seasons, every single time.

And they were successful seasons, but did any of them every push on? Turn one successful season into two, three, four?

No, not a single one of them!

That is what it takes to be a success at United, and not one of those players listed achieved that, either in performance, mentality, or both.

So yes, as Man Utd players, they have been failures.
 
The first game of the season we had a massive hole in midfield and Wolves waltzed through it at ease- they could have scored seven or eight- they had some great chances.

Roll forwards 6 months and Fulham did exactly the same. In fact I can’t remember one match where teams haven’t strolled through us at ease.

Why on earth does Ten Haag still think these ridiculous tactics will work in any game in the Premier League? I find it totally unbelievable that ETH or his coaching team haven’t realised his tactics are flawed and might need adapting.
 
That MNF analysis might be the death knell for him.

I say that because the fecking clowns running and coaching the club wouldn't have noticed it before Carragher pointed it out to them.
 
How many more managers will we have before somebody cottons onto the common theme on the last 10 years?
I really hope INEOS have the backbone to support the manager and shake up or ship out our squad of snowflakes.
It's different players though. And I have zero doubt a different squad of players wouldn't also feel the same.

You see it all the time in football when teams are doing badly.
 
You can't look at videos like that in isolation. If you want to build an agenda then yeah go ahead. Andy Mitten posted a video of training recently and the context around it was stripped and you had people insulting the players.
No of course not. But it’s a pretty good indicator of where we are at with this squad given it was the same coaching staff doing the same drills.
 
They killed Ten Hag and his staff on Sky Sports with fair criticism and facts from two ex-pros. Cant imagine him being here in the summer. If they can see it, the pros coming into the board at the club will. Its all well and good saying "he'll get time before a sacking", but Ratcliffe and Brailsford are at the games most weeks. How long until they say "we're sick of this shit."
 


Sadly, this is true. Last season after Brentford Ten Hag adjusted his approach and we got better for it. This season he has stuck to pressing high, even though our defence is slow and drops off to compensate. He knows he lacks the players to suit a pressing style but refuses to change. It's bizarre.
 
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