Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Can only laugh at how bad it is at this point. What are we doing?
I'm still scratching my head about his reasoning for signing mount and going in to the season light in striker options and if he truly thought martial could have been relied upon then he is hugely out of his depth and naive.
Was the argument that we needed to add to the midfield which would be bizarre because mount is not a midfielder and we then went and then got rid of fred when he would have offered more of contribution this season than mount and amrabat in midfield
Was the argument that we needed to add to the midfield which would be bizarre because mount is not a midfielder and we then went and then got rid of fred when he would have offered more of contribution this season than mount and amrabat in midfield
Obviously not, but the club has been run like a commercial club. Not a proper football club. Sir Jim said that if United got a proper footballing setup, everyone will thrive and the commercial side will follow as a consequence.
I think most of us will agree with him.
I’d love to see Erik ten Hag get a fighting chance.
I have a lot of sympathy for Ten Hag with regard to the situation he stepped into with a club in disarray which provided very little support to help the manager with scouting and recruitment. Additionally, he's had to deal with a drawn out sale of the club hanging over his head. It's been extremely difficult.
With that said I just struggle to see what he's attempting to build towards tactically. There's been very little progression to suggest we're establishing systems and structures that can lead to long-term success on the pitch. I'm fine giving him the rest of the season, because making a change now doesn't make much sense, but barring a drastic turnaround in overall performance levels we should be moving on at the end of the campaign.
With that said I just struggle to see what he's attempting to build towards tactically. There's been very little progression to suggest we're establishing systems and structures that can lead to long-term success on the pitch. I'm fine giving him the rest of the season, because making a change now doesn't make much sense, but barring a drastic turnaround in overall performance levels we should be moving on at the end of the campaign.
It's guesswork.
Yes, I think we've brought players of the required quality to not be languishing in 6th with 10 league losses in February - with a 0 goal difference, and being the second team that has faced the most shots in the league, as well as finishing last in a CL group that included the likes of Copenhagen and Galatasaray (all due respect).
I don't think I've seen anyone here saying we should be competing for the title - hell, the bar is so low I don't even think most people here are asking for trophies.
I don't understand what you're saying here because thinking the manager isn't good enough and knowing the squad needs revamping and upgrading aren't mutually exclusive trains of thought.
The post I replied to, that caused you to interject, stated "How many more managers will we have before somebody cottons onto the common theme on the last 10 years?...something something...players...snowflakes", which prompted me to highlight that the squad now is largely the current manager's.
You can't look at videos like that in isolation. If you want to build an agenda then yeah go ahead. Andy Mitten posted a video of training recently and the context around it was stripped and you had people insulting the players.
Definitely, the logic is fairly sound though. Bayern and Liverpool have both announced their current managers are leaving in the summer. They'll be in the process of drawing up alternatives and likely contacting preferences. Be surprised if Brailsford, Berrada and Ashworth are happy to wait until the season is over to make a call while our peers get a run on the top tier managers.
Hiring shit managers? Name one of them that would have won the league with prime Barcelona players.
Yeah I agree with the sentiment for sure.
But I don't think they need to make a firm decision unless they get wind of say, De Zerbi being tapped up or whatever it might be.
Yeh I find that argument really weird. We've signed shit players and also hired shit managers. That is the common theme. Which is why people are excited about the new top brass. Hopefully we don't sign and don't keep shit players and shit managers.
Yeh. I just wonder what they'll be waiting to see from ten Hag that they haven't already seen, or don't already know. He's been here for close to two years.
Yes but he's caveating it's guesswork.
In your video he says he reckons Dan Ashworth will give ten hag another year. He's just guessing
They're probably waiting for Dan Ashworth to get sorted along with whoever else is coming in to work with recruitment. Once those deals are done the manager is the last piece of the puzzle.
Shots against don't matter though right ??
MNF going in hard on ten hags non existent defensive coaching today though.
Seems like the next two games will decide whether he is sacked now or in the summer. Must deliver against Nottingham Forest, at least, if he is to stay.
Fantastic post. Injuries are no excuse for 12 months of sub par performances from the Head Coach.
Mourinho. LVG. ten Hag.
Jose won plenty, in multiple different leagues. He won the CL with lowly Porto.
LVG has taken a team to the WC final.
You know about ten Hags Ajax. It’s clear they were a very well drilled squad.
Slightly simplistic question, obviously the three men mentioned (possibly excepting LVG) wouldn’t play the same system as prime Barca (I presume you mean Peps team) but I get the point about better players. Kind of makes my point though. Our squad just simply isn’t good enough.
And they were successful seasons, but did any of them every push on? Turn one successful season into two, three, four?
No, not a single one of them!
That is what it takes to be a success at United, and not one of those players listed achieved that, either in performance, mentality, or both.
So yes, as Man Utd players, they have been failures.
Carragher spot on. It’s amateur suicidal tactics.
But he needs more time and more players!
The first game of the season we had a massive hole in midfield and Wolves waltzed through it at ease- they could have scored seven or eight- they had some great chances.
Roll forwards 6 months and Fulham did exactly the same. In fact I can’t remember one match where teams haven’t strolled through us at ease.
Why on earth does Ten Haag still think these ridiculous tactics will work in any game in the Premier League? I find it totally unbelievable that ETH or his coaching team haven’t realised his tactics are flawed and might need adapting.
Roll forwards 6 months and Fulham did exactly the same. In fact I can’t remember one match where teams haven’t strolled through us at ease.
Why on earth does Ten Haag still think these ridiculous tactics will work in any game in the Premier League? I find it totally unbelievable that ETH or his coaching team haven’t realised his tactics are flawed and might need adapting.
Those MNF videos are damming.
Yes, I was being sarcastic.
Even after 400m!
Watching the games are enough. The analysis just highlights exactly how bad it is in a professional setting.
Even if those tactics were supposed to work, there should be a process to getting there. Eriksen as the lone pivot? Guys playing FM
I know we do, but Ten Hag should be clear out with them if we're to stand any chance.We need new players. It’s going to be a massive clear out with or without EtH
That MNF analysis might be the death knell for him.
I say that because the fecking clowns running and coaching the club wouldn't have noticed it before Carragher pointed it out to them.
I say that because the fecking clowns running and coaching the club wouldn't have noticed it before Carragher pointed it out to them.
Yep. It started getting bad after the League Cup final last year and it’s just gotten worse and worse. Every game has been a struggle.
It's different players though. And I have zero doubt a different squad of players wouldn't also feel the same.
You see it all the time in football when teams are doing badly.
No of course not. But it’s a pretty good indicator of where we are at with this squad given it was the same coaching staff doing the same drills.
They killed Ten Hag and his staff on Sky Sports with fair criticism and facts from two ex-pros. Cant imagine him being here in the summer. If they can see it, the pros coming into the board at the club will. Its all well and good saying "he'll get time before a sacking", but Ratcliffe and Brailsford are at the games most weeks. How long until they say "we're sick of this shit."
Sadly, this is true. Last season after Brentford Ten Hag adjusted his approach and we got better for it. This season he has stuck to pressing high, even though our defence is slow and drops off to compensate. He knows he lacks the players to suit a pressing style but refuses to change. It's bizarre.
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