Yeah, I don't think he'll be here next season. I wouldn't be 100% shocked if he was, but it's looking less and less likely.
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Yeah, I don't think he'll be here next season. I wouldn't be 100% shocked if he was, but it's looking less and less likely.
I thought we did have a system in this 1st season. A sort of system atleast where we were playing out from the back and were quick with it too.
While I agree the injuries this season have been insane and dont seem to end. Any semblance of a system has gone out the window. We look absolutely clueless with and without the ball. All we know is to counter and if were lucky, we score. our captain have 0 composure and cant retain possession to save his life. Our highest earner cant beat anyone 1v1.
Why we signed Mount for 60m is a mystery. The less said about Antony the better.
IMO we should look at replacements for the manager in the summer as well
While I agree the injuries this season have been insane and dont seem to end. Any semblance of a system has gone out the window. We look absolutely clueless with and without the ball. All we know is to counter and if were lucky, we score. our captain have 0 composure and cant retain possession to save his life. Our highest earner cant beat anyone 1v1.
Why we signed Mount for 60m is a mystery. The less said about Antony the better.
IMO we should look at replacements for the manager in the summer as well
I'd take a journalist who only works for United Stand with a bucket of salt. If it was United WE stand however...
You can't just say "failed" for every single player in every single season, that would be a relegation team.
Yep. I’ve grown tired of the debates at this point because the people that are staunchly defending ETH aren’t going change their minds, and those of us on the other side won’t do so either barring some miracle 180 change in direction, performances, tactics etc that’s never going to occur. And now that we have some injuries to starters again people are willing to just accept that we won’t be any good and it’s not his fault if performances going forward are crap because he doesn’t have our strongest XI fit b
It weird cos teams very rarely have a fully fit squad.
Liverpool have got terrible injuries and they're competing on four fronts. Arsenal's good run in form has coincided with the introduction of Kiwior - our 4th choice LB. Our strongest 11 is:
Martinelli / Jesus / Saka
Rice / Partey / Odegaard
Timber / Gabriel / Saliba / White
Raya
Rice / Partey / Odegaard
Timber / Gabriel / Saliba / White
Raya
How many games have they played together? Zero. How about we swap in Zinchenko for Timber. Zero. Havertz for Jesus? Zero. Jorginho for Partey? Still Zero.
If you can only avoid being overrun when you have a clean bill of health - you a pretty limited Manager.
I understand that we have had a lot of injuries this season but any top team these days have plug and play systems.
Look at the players Liverpool missed yesterday but those who came in didn't have to change much because there is a system of play.
This guy has failed to create that after almost 2 seasons, 4 transfer windows and over £400 million spent. That's the failure, it doesn't matter if a good recruitment setup brings in the right profile of players, Ten hag is incapable of creating a system.
And for that reason he's gotta go. Don't waste another 2 years on this
Look at the players Liverpool missed yesterday but those who came in didn't have to change much because there is a system of play.
This guy has failed to create that after almost 2 seasons, 4 transfer windows and over £400 million spent. That's the failure, it doesn't matter if a good recruitment setup brings in the right profile of players, Ten hag is incapable of creating a system.
And for that reason he's gotta go. Don't waste another 2 years on this
It really is a bad reflection on Ten Hag that at this late stage of the season the same problems and issues are still unreloved.
The very first game of the season against Wolves we conceded a record 23 shots on goal and countless times turned the ball over in attack leading to their midfield charging through the middle of the pitch against our defence.
The same exact problem has been going on for the entire season, along with our terrible passing and lack of control of the game.
The very first game of the season against Wolves we conceded a record 23 shots on goal and countless times turned the ball over in attack leading to their midfield charging through the middle of the pitch against our defence.
The same exact problem has been going on for the entire season, along with our terrible passing and lack of control of the game.
Exactly this! Injuries are just poor excuses. You don't need to be constantly at full strength to have a game plan or a structure. The fact that it all goes out the window because a central defender is injured is the sign of a shite manager. Teams with limited resources have set up teams a hell of a lot better than ETH has
Even if you are in the "keep", "sack" or "not sure" camp, it is probably not going to surprise you if he is done after this season.
Takeovers in football often bring big changes, and for them to have a clean slate to work from - starting with the manager is not all that strange.
While you can argue that their recent spells were even more terrible, Steve Bruce and Tuchel both got the sack from new ownership.
The most discussed topics during his tenure has been his discipline (although he seems to have selected a few to treat more harshly), transfers and playing style. The United players have proven to be good at evoking unrest and pushing for manager exits. At one point one has to start thinking that the managers may not all be so terrible at their jobs and hold all the blame.
For transfers, Antony has so far not proven his value. The price tag skyrocketed as United needed quick reinforcements nearing deadline day. We should also remember that Martinez was already bought (one can argue that it's been a quality signing). Ajax did not need to sell, and Antony's record domestically and in CL had been very good. The club has not seemed like a good collective for long spells, and perhaps he could have proven himself more in a better environment. That being said, along with the rest of the players, the basics of the game seem to be hard at the moment. Casemiro has not been terrible, but has probably peaked some time ago and is not the player that was actually wanted, so this one also looked a bit random. Casemiro has (had?) a good reputation and was for years a central piece in a well oiled machinery. He just doesn't have the work rate (or right cover in midfield) needed. Mount has a lot of football left in him, but after his star rose quickly in Chelsea, he was brought to United on a bit of a wane.
EtH quickly made his intentions clear as to who he wanted out. There were some spanners in the works, and seeing the injury situation that might have been for the best. Players like Maguire and McTominay have proven to be too one-dimensional, and their wages are too high to be squad/backup players. Not that they would really be happy with that long-term. Martial should be set for release. Donny should, for his own sake, move far away.
With the entrance of Berrada, we are likely to see a more nuanced wage structure based on performances. Something tells me that some of these players are not likely to relish the idea. A squad rebuild will take time, as offloading the players without covering wages is less likely now. But it is a process that should be began sooner than later.
Takeovers in football often bring big changes, and for them to have a clean slate to work from - starting with the manager is not all that strange.
While you can argue that their recent spells were even more terrible, Steve Bruce and Tuchel both got the sack from new ownership.
The most discussed topics during his tenure has been his discipline (although he seems to have selected a few to treat more harshly), transfers and playing style. The United players have proven to be good at evoking unrest and pushing for manager exits. At one point one has to start thinking that the managers may not all be so terrible at their jobs and hold all the blame.
For transfers, Antony has so far not proven his value. The price tag skyrocketed as United needed quick reinforcements nearing deadline day. We should also remember that Martinez was already bought (one can argue that it's been a quality signing). Ajax did not need to sell, and Antony's record domestically and in CL had been very good. The club has not seemed like a good collective for long spells, and perhaps he could have proven himself more in a better environment. That being said, along with the rest of the players, the basics of the game seem to be hard at the moment. Casemiro has not been terrible, but has probably peaked some time ago and is not the player that was actually wanted, so this one also looked a bit random. Casemiro has (had?) a good reputation and was for years a central piece in a well oiled machinery. He just doesn't have the work rate (or right cover in midfield) needed. Mount has a lot of football left in him, but after his star rose quickly in Chelsea, he was brought to United on a bit of a wane.
EtH quickly made his intentions clear as to who he wanted out. There were some spanners in the works, and seeing the injury situation that might have been for the best. Players like Maguire and McTominay have proven to be too one-dimensional, and their wages are too high to be squad/backup players. Not that they would really be happy with that long-term. Martial should be set for release. Donny should, for his own sake, move far away.
With the entrance of Berrada, we are likely to see a more nuanced wage structure based on performances. Something tells me that some of these players are not likely to relish the idea. A squad rebuild will take time, as offloading the players without covering wages is less likely now. But it is a process that should be began sooner than later.
LVG shouldn’t be counted for this as he’s international manager. Moyes won the conference thing with West Ham and doing an alright job with them. Solskjær hasn’t got back into management since leaving us. Mourinho as you said did alright at Roma. So I’d say they’ve all been good at the very most since leaving us… it’s hard to judge them on winning things at other clubs when the expectations will be lower and they won’t have the money we have.
Yep this was all litigated in another thread that was making the case for how bad our injuries have been. I’ve said that missing Martinez and our LB’s for much of the year has sucked, but none of that really explains the pure structural issues we have.
How many more managers will we have before somebody cottons onto the common theme on the last 10 years?
I really hope INEOS have the backbone to support the manager and shake up or ship out our squad of snowflakes.
But there is probably only been 3 players Antony, Malacia and Martinez that we could say were players he wanted along with DeJong.
The rest just look like opportunistic things he has agreed to.
There we’re stories that when told he could have Casemiro or no one for Dm he was supposedly also told it wouldn’t affect our ability to buy a striker only for it then to affect our ability to buy a striker. Hence we had to get Weg in on a loan as we had no money for anything else.
So I don’t think it’s as clear as he has been given everything he wanted.
I also doubt he wanted to pay 90 mil for Antony or 60mil for mount.But given all the fecking around and lack of options we ended up getting done over.
We know the club has been terrible at doing buisness ever since Gil left. Hopefully that is going to change and we will move in a direction where managers are actually given the tools to succeed here.
Anyway I’ve seen enough to give him another year anyway. Hopefully he can get rid of a few more high profile wasters so we can actually start to become a proper football team.
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Difference being you’re had 4 years+ of the same manager to cultivate a squad in his image so when you do lose Partey. You’ve got someone like Havertz and just move Rice.
It’s disingenuous to suggest Arsenal have had it remotely bad as us.
Liverpool have literally only in the last week had terrible injuries. Up until that point the only clear first teamer with significant absence was Robertson.
Timber in your best XI is also based on less than 2 games of competitive football with Arsenal? Really?
Crazy stat on sky just now.
Klopp has faced 20+ shots just 2 times in 322 games.
Ten Hag 12 in 64!
Arteta 7 in 161
Pep 4 in 292.
People are defending the indefensible at this point.
Klopp has faced 20+ shots just 2 times in 322 games.
Ten Hag 12 in 64!
Arteta 7 in 161
Pep 4 in 292.
People are defending the indefensible at this point.
It only means they were never clever enough to allow opposition to do that, knowing it is all low quality shots.
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Low quality shots create turnovers in possession which can then in turn be used to create from an offensive transition (counter) it’s what we did against Luton.
Yeah I hope they don't realise this tactic before we reap the rewards.
They failed given the context and expectations of being key players in the Man Utd team.
Made sense to me anyway.
Do you think the squad we have now is the same one we had 10 years ago or something?
Stop hiring shit managers.
Do you think we have brought in players over the past 10 years that are of the required quality?
I am not tied to ETH but quite clearly the new manager needs serious backing and the squad needs a real revamp.
Our top players Shaw Rashord Bruno
Maguire are players who have not done it at the top level or are past it if they have Varane, Casemiro
Most of the players you would keep or build around are either kids (Mainoo Garnacho, or have injury issues Martinez)
Obviously not, but they are not all ETH’s either.
Somehow when a manager is on thin ice it always comes back to downing tools, players not respecting/responding to the manager, players questioning tactics/training etc.
It seems to be an engrained culture at the club, like the moment SAF left the building for the last time they players all breathed out and it infects every fecker we sign.
Something else needs to change because we’ve changed the manager time and time again and we always end up back here.
Moyes, Mourinho, LVG, Carrick, McKenna, Solskjaer, Rangnick and ETH can’t all be ‘shit managers’ and indeed have proven so at other clubs.
So the common factor here is Manchester United.
Genius, innovative, bold.
He must go.
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To be fair, which one of the above would you choose as manager for Real Madrid right now, for example. Nobody. I think they are all a bit shit. Past their time or not good enough when we appointed them.
Carrick and McKenna were never hired. The rest failed post United everywhere they went.
i think that's quite ridiculous. most of those players have finished 2nd and 3rd twice each. you don't achieve that if every season is a "failure", man united or not. put the individual good/best performers from those seasons into a better team and they'd be title contenders.
there's been undoubted individual and collective failure seasons, from the collective (this one + ole/ralf + jose's 3rd) and from individual players (too many to count, but anything martial did after 2020 is a good place to start from). if it was all failure all the time for all players, it would be worse than the moyes or ralf seasons, every single time.
This. I know people think what EtH is doing right now means something. But it doesn’t mean anything more than him batting a very unbalanced team with players who most of them will not be around for long.
Arteta was a laughing stock on here. Only difference was he had a proper setup behind him and they knew they would get there. No way were they going to sack him, they had a plan.
Patience is the key.
MNF absolutely shredding our pressing structure right now, it’s hilariously bad
Missed this earlier. Spot on.
For clarification, is the implication above that a manager can/should only be judged when every member of the first team squad is one of “theirs”?
This makes no sense - as the players that were here when Ferguson retired are largely - if not allgone. The current squad is by all intents and purposes Ten Hag’s. It’s not even that similar to Ole’s.
lastly, this was you after we beat Villa:
this was you after we beat West Ham:
Two decent wins, good performances and plenty of goals. Who’d have thought missing our best players would have impacted our performances and it might not be the manager? Football, bloody hell.
so when we bag wins = Ten Hag! Ten Hag!
when we lose = it’s the players! (and attacking ghosts from 10 years ago that aren’t even here any more)
is it Oochie Wally Wally or is it One Mic?
I doubt Gary knows anything, but it wouldnt be surprising would it.
Liverpool's squad was far shitter when Klopp took over, too.
We have appointed absolutely terribly. Tbf, Jose and ETH looked on paper like they could be good appointments. The rest I wouldn't have touched.
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