Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

[Toshey]

Yeah OK, £450m well spent

250m well spent. 100m are still in question. 100m are badly spent.


I don't know how people who are trying so hard to undermine anything ETH has achieved, have the audacity to call anybody "cult", "fanboy" etc.

Yes, the season is bad. Yes, ETH has done enough wrong to deserve sack.
That doesn't mean you have to make him a pantomime villain.

It's astonishing how grown people have no ability to express balanced opinion it's always black or white.

 

[Sarni]

ETH signings are not bad.
Martinez is great, Hojlund is great, Casemiro was player of the season, Eriksen is on a free and brings experience that young players can learn from.
Malacia is decent backup and could develop into starter.

Antony has been bad.
Onana is shaky, but nobody saw that coming, did we?
Mount has been injured and we're yet to see what he can offer.

Very far from "so bad it's incomprehensible".

Martinez is an OK signing (that will need replacing if we are trying to win major trophies anyway), Hojlund is hard to assess yet but definitely not great, Eriksen and Malacia maybe passable for what they are, the rest are bad signings (for different reasons). Ultimately he spent close to half a billion and has made us a worse team.

 

[hobbers]

250m well spent. 100m are still in question. 100m are badly spent.

We've turned £400m of signings into about £200m worth of assets.

Martinez is probably worth close to what we paid for him. But the rest....

Hojlund has halved in value (because we paid 2x what he was worth). We'd struggle to get 10% back what we paid for Antony. Onana and Mount have easily halved in value after their horrific starts, for different reasons. Casemiro is a spent force and we'll struggle to even get £20m from Saudi. Also £10m totally wasted on Amrabat's loan fee.

 

[stefan92]

That's true although these players were literally in 2 finals last year, winning 1 of them, so they'd be thick as pig shit to have forgotten that trophies are actually achievable with this manager. He needs to figure out why it was working last year and why it isn't this year and quickly.

Exactly, he needs to figure it out, as he seems to slowly lose the players trust and obviously things aren't working well. He can do better, we saw that last season, but it's on him to find a way to make it work again.

 

[AltiUn]

Exactly, he needs to figure it out, as he seems to slowly lose the players trust and obviously things aren't working well. He can do better, we saw that last season, but it's on him to find a way to make it work again.

Agreed.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

Howe didn't. He inherited a squad and he wasn't even anywhere near their first choice appointment. He's had Dan Burn at left back and other average PL players all over the pitch.

And Ten Hag has been able to spend £400 million on players - it's as much his squad as anyone's.

Couldn't agree less on the bolded point. Culture comes from the top and they get players to buy in and work hard. That's a talent and not just in managing football players.

By the time the 22/23 season had kicked off, Howe had already been in the job for 7 months and Newcastle had signed Trippier, Guimarães, Pope, Isak and a brand-new CB pairing. Thus far, he hasn't achieved anything more than Solskjaer or ETH in their initial seasons, while making them the kings of time-wasting in the process. He didn't do better in Europe, either.

ETH has wasted 400 million to create of mishmash of a squad that can't play any style of football well. That's why he is going to lose his job. Bigging up managers who have to deal with fewer egos, far less scrutiny and smaller expectations, while enjoying the assistance of boards that actually care for the clubs they own, serves as nothing more than fuel to the fire of an angry fanbase.

No culture can be installed in the dressing room when the players know that they are perceived as assets. There have been leaks in the media that some of them have often bypassed the manager, no matter who that was, and went up straight to the suits to express their grievances about what they're being told to do in training or in games. This is the reality at United, and all the managers in the last decade have hinted at these issues. It doesn't absolve them of their own failures. It's just sad that this prolonging of the inevitable always turns, one way or the other, the fanbase toward the search "for the one". He is out there somewhere and he will make it all go away. Nothing else needs to change. All the others can find him, except us. Wonder why that is.

 

[BoulderDevil]

Being runner up in the league used to mean we had a bad season, but now that we're 8th with -5 GD it's apparently the best we could hope for.
Crazy how far the standards have dropped.

Standards have dropped because we are a club that is run worse than a 6-year olds lemonade stand. Not a hard concept to grasp. We aren’t entitled to success just because we are Manchester United.

 

[BoulderDevil]

He is not going anywhere and rightly so. Too bad all foresight has gone out of the window with modern day fans. We are in the day and age of instant gratification. Rome was not built in a day and a dynasty needs time to develop. Our club is so far behind operationally that it will take years to get the right pieces in place. Most people who work in leadership in organizations know that when they come in fresh, the best approach is to give managers a chance to work under new conditions with a different level of support and then evaluate after a set period of time of which the manager will be aware of. This will likely be the case with ten hag and the new regime.

 

[pocco]

Couple things - Rashford being dropped for a while shows he's not starting every game. He's actually come back and scored a couple and assisted one so it's not like he's terrible since returning anyway.

Moreover my point on leaks and bad eggs is that no one actually knows. You said we all agreed on who they were and it made me chuckle because no one had any clue on that.

Do you have the direct athletic link that says this by the way? I still can't find it.

Now you're moving the goalposts and talking about on pitch performances. My point was that if Rashford was in fact the issue and was causing problems or trying to get him sacked, then he'd probably have had the Sancho treatment. He wouldn't be starting (bar the times he's been dropped for actual performances). Same for any of the players. Basically, I don't buy into this idea that one or some of the players are undermining him. I think it would be pretty easy by this point to identify any players that weren't happy and were doing this.

I'm pretty sure many were convinced that Henderson was a leak - at least on here anyway. If we had such bad eggs, where were they last season? There was no talk about these things after we got hammered by City, or any of the other embarrassing performances that we endured.

 

[BoulderDevil]

By the time the 22/23 season had kicked off, Howe had already been in the job for 7 months and Newcastle had signed Trippier, Guimarães, Pope, Isak and a brand-new CB pairing. Thus far, he hasn't achieved anything more than Solskjaer or ETH in their initial seasons, while making them the kings of time-wasting in the process. He didn't do better in Europe, either.

ETH has wasted 400 million to create of mishmash of a squad that can't play any style of football well. That's why he is going to lose his job. Bigging up managers who have to deal with fewer egos, far less scrutiny and smaller expectations, while enjoying the assistance of boards that actually care for the clubs they own, serves as nothing more than fuel to the fire of an angry fanbase.

No culture can be installed in the dressing room when the players know that they are perceived as assets. There have been leaks in the media that some of them have often bypassed the manager, no matter who that was, and went up straight to the suits to express their grievances about what they're being told to do in training or in games. This is the reality at United, and all the managers in the last decade have hinted at these issues. It doesn't absolve them of their own failures. It's just sad that this prolonging of the inevitable always turns, one way or the other, the fanbase toward the search "for the one". He is out there somewhere and he will make it all go away. Nothing else needs to change. All the others can find him, except us. Wonder why that is.

I hate to break it to you but no manager will get fired for “past mistakes” when a new regime and structure comes into the picture. The fact that he spent all that money under the previous useless leadership won’t mean diddly squat to Omar and Jim and the rest of the new guys. What I can guarantee is that they won’t allow ten hag to have that amount of autonomy moving forward. I would also ask yourself, if you had murtough and Richard Arnold above you, would you want them dictating and leading the recruitment of you squad? The answer is hell no. And probably why ten hag wanted control coming into the job. Ultimately, it shouldn’t be his responsibility but that’s how it was and it didn’t really reflect well on him. All moot moving forward anyway.

 

[pocco]

He is not going anywhere and rightly so. Too bad all foresight has gone out of the window with modern day fans. We are in the day and age of instant gratification. Rome was not built in a day and a dynasty needs time to develop. Our club is so far behind operationally that it will take years to get the right pieces in place. Most people who work in leadership in organizations know that when they come in fresh, the best approach is to give managers a chance to work under new conditions with a different level of support and then evaluate after a set period of time of which the manager will be aware of. This will likely be the case with ten hag and the new regime.

Instant gratification? 10 years and billions of pounds spent...there's nothing instant about this. Even Ten Hag will have had 2 years and backing at the level most managers could only dream of.

 

[VP89]

Now you're moving the goalposts and talking about on pitch performances. My point was that if Rashford was in fact the issue and was causing problems or trying to get him sacked, then he'd probably have had the Sancho treatment. He wouldn't be starting (bar the times he's been dropped for actual performances). Same for any of the players. Basically, I don't buy into this idea that one or some of the players are undermining him. I think it would be pretty easy by this point to identify any players that weren't happy and were doing this.

I'm pretty sure many were convinced that Henderson was a leak - at least on here anyway. If we had such bad eggs, where were they last season? There was no talk about these things after we got hammered by City, or any of the other embarrassing performances that we endured.

I'm not moving any goalposts. I've been consistent. You said we've been tactically hung out to dry and I said that's not completely true, pointing out there were games where our on pitch performance was a bigger problem than our tactics.

Im also not here guesstimating who is or isn't the leaks. You are. In fact you claimed in a blanket fashion "we all agreed on who the leaks are and now they're gone" based in nothing.

You are now randomly calling Henderson a leak. I don't know what from. The only obvious leak was Lingard and that's because he got exposed by Scholes accidentally.

I am still waiting for the Athletic article, by the way?

 

[RedRover]

Agree with you, the weird manipulations people make to excuse ETH. Managing United is always very tough, the inept owners and management make it harder. But its not impossible. The bare minimum is some good football, regardless of results. Howe has done a pretty good job given the challenges there.

It definitely does.

If ETH, or any manager, had us playing half decent football 70% of the time, the team looked coherent and there was clear progress, most fans would be happy.

The question here is, just exactly what is he good at or doing well? His transfers have been dreadful, his in game management is poor, there's no progression obvious on the pitch and there's no obvious fight or buy in from the players. It's as bad as its been post Fergie.

What I find bizarre is fans suggesting that if you reduce his ambit, he'll suddenly start to do a good job. Clearly a DoF or similar should be assisting in buying players but admitting your manager can't judge a player good enough for his system or the league you're playing in is a disaster. Likewise, no DoF or CEO is going to be out there doing the coaching.

 

[stefan92]

What I find bizarre is fans suggesting that if you reduce his ambit, he'll suddenly start to do a good job. Clearly a DoF or similar should be assisting in buying players but admitting your manager can't judge a player good enough for his system or the league you're playing in is a disaster. Likewise, no DoF or CEO is going to be out there doing the coaching.

Yep, it's acceptable if a manager overpays or doesn't find the best solution if he has to decide who to sign, simply because he won't have the time to do the scouting etc as well as someone who can think about all the things necessary to decide on a transfer full time. But still you shouldn't get the feeling that a player doesn't work well in a manager's system.

 

[sparx99]

We've turned £400m of signings into about £200m worth of assets.

Martinez is probably worth close to what we paid for him. But the rest....

Hojlund has halved in value (because we paid 2x what he was worth). We'd struggle to get 10% back what we paid for Antony. Onana and Mount have easily halved in value after their horrific starts, for different reasons. Casemiro is a spent force and we'll struggle to even get £20m from Saudi. Also £10m totally wasted on Amrabat's loan fee.

Hojlund hasn’t lost any value imo. In a world that Chelsea are asking £50m for Broja then Hojlund is still worth the £64m we paid. He had a slow start after a big move and injury playing in a dysfunctional team.

Despite that he was still joint top CL goalscorer in the group stage, has scored regularly for his national team and has now found some PL form. Even with a slow start in the PL his overall record is basically a goal every 3 games (7 in 24) along with 7 in 8 for Denmark.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

I hate to break it to you but no manager will get fired for “passed mistakes” when a new regime and structure comes into the picture. The fact that he spent all that money under the previous useless leadership won’t mean diddly squat to Omar and Jim and the rest of the new guys. What I can guarantee is that they won’t allow ten hag to have that amount of autonomy moving forward. I would also ask yourself, if you had murtough and Richard Arnold above you, would you want them dictating and leading the recruitment of you squad? The answer is hell no. And probably why ten hag wanted control coming into the job. Ultimately, it shouldn’t be his responsibility but that’s how it was and it didn’t really reflect well on him. All moot moving forward anyway.

He will get the sack because, during his two seasons, the only synergies on the pitch which have actually worked well (Bruno as the sole creator behind two sitting midfielders, and Rashford as the main goalscorer from a LW position with Shaw as support) are the ones he inherited from his predecessor. Any tactical teaks he has tried to implement have failed to provide the team with new or better ones. The other flank, the one he had more freedom to experiment with, currently consists of Dalot/AWB, Antony and McTominay. It's just not good. What he needs from now until May is a miracle. I'd be surprised, if the INEOS team kept him beyond next summer, assuming that their preferred choices are available.

 

[RedRover]

By the time the 22/23 season had kicked off, Howe had already been in the job for 7 months and Newcastle had signed Trippier, Guimarães, Pope, Isak and a brand-new CB pairing. Thus far, he hasn't achieved anything more than Solskjaer or ETH in their initial seasons, while making them the kings of time-wasting in the process. He didn't do better in Europe, either.

ETH has wasted 400 million to create of mishmash of a squad that can't play any style of football well. That's why he is going to lose his job. Bigging up managers who have to deal with fewer egos, far less scrutiny and smaller expectations, while enjoying the assistance of boards that actually care for the clubs they own, serves as nothing more than fuel to the fire of an angry fanbase.

No culture can be installed in the dressing room when the players know that they are perceived as assets. There have been leaks in the media that some of them have often bypassed the manager, no matter who that was, and went up straight to the suits to express their grievances about what they're being told to do in training or in games. This is the reality at United, and all the managers in the last decade have hinted at these issues. It doesn't absolve them of their own failures. It's just sad that this prolonging of the inevitable always turns, one way or the other, the fanbase toward the search "for the one". He is out there somewhere and he will make it all go away. Nothing else needs to change. All the others can find him, except us. Wonder why that is.

So he signed 6 decent players then. He qualified for the CL with a side with a bottom half side with a half dozen decent additions. Bizarre that you can't give him credit for that.

Don't understand the rest of your post. Clearly the structure of the club has to change and the new owners obviously understand that but it doesn't excuse the performances of the manager, or mean that another manager wouldn't have done a better job.

 

[lex talionis]

Hojlund hasn’t lost any value imo. In a world that Chelsea are asking £50m for Broja then Hojlund is still worth the £64m we paid. He had a slow start after a big move and injury playing in a dysfunctional team.

Despite that he was still joint top CL goalscorer in the group stage, has scored regularly for his national team and has now found some PL form. Even with a slow start in the PL his overall record is basically a goal every 3 games (7 in 24) along with 7 in 8 for Denmark.

It's hard to see any club paying £64m for a striker who has scored 2 goals in the league. Perhaps Hojlund will someday come good but he's definitely not worth in the market today what we paid for him six months ago.

 

[AltiUn]

It's hard to see any club paying £64m for a striker who has scored 2 goals in the league. Perhaps Hojlund will someday come good but he's definitely not worth in the market today what we paid for him six months ago.

They might for someone who has 5 in 6 in the CL though. Yeah, his PL return hasn't been great but it's weird that everyone always talks about his 2 goals when he has an unbelievable record in the CL.

 

[JJ12]

We've turned £400m of signings into about £200m worth of assets.

Martinez is probably worth close to what we paid for him. But the rest....

Hojlund has halved in value (because we paid 2x what he was worth). We'd struggle to get 10% back what we paid for Antony. Onana and Mount have easily halved in value after their horrific starts, for different reasons. Casemiro is a spent force and we'll struggle to even get £20m from Saudi. Also £10m totally wasted on Amrabat's loan fee.

What a load of pie in the sky made up bollocks that is.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

So he signed 6 decent players then. He qualified for the CL with a side with a bottom half side with a half dozen decent additions. Bizarre that you can't give him credit for that.

Don't understand the rest of your post. Clearly the structure of the club has to change and the new owners obviously understand that but it doesn't excuse the performances of the manager, or mean that another manager wouldn't have done a better job.

Of course, i believe he deserves credit and i also find him very likeable. The same goes for Ange. They - the people who are in charge of the football operations at Newcastle - had signed close to a dozen players (Dan Burn from Brighton included) before last season had even begun. He didn't qualify for the CL with the squad that was fighting relegation. He has done a good job, and he has even created new roles for some of the existing players (Joelinton, for example), something that ETH hasn't managed to do yet. But he hasn't yet proved either that he can make them consistent top-four finishers or that he can mount a title charge. Which is the prerequisite for a United manager after a solid first season. As we speak, he has lost 4 consecutive league games (two against relegation fodder), he recorded the highest xGA in the history of the PL at Anfield (worse than our 7-0 defeat), he's -10 points compared to last season after 100 million pounds spent, and he crashed out of Europe. But everybody sings his praises, the players work their arses off without complaints, and Newcastle fans are happier than ever. Can you see the difference? Solskjaer, a legend of this club, hadn't even managed 10 games into his first full season, and when Liverpool visited OT in late October, the press was saying that his head was already under the guillotine. I never said i excuse the manager (look at my answer to the poster who quoted me to say that INEOS will keep ETH). But some of the people who deride others for following the "cult" of the manager are the opposite side of the same coin. He's not the god that was promised, so he must be the devil incarnate. The root of all evil at the club. At some point, we need to move away from that line of thinking.

 

[Rista]

I hate to break it to you but no manager will get fired for “past mistakes” when a new regime and structure comes into the picture. The fact that he spent all that money under the previous useless leadership won’t mean diddly squat to Omar and Jim and the rest of the new guys. What I can guarantee is that they won’t allow ten hag to have that amount of autonomy moving forward. I would also ask yourself, if you had murtough and Richard Arnold above you, would you want them dictating and leading the recruitment of you squad? The answer is hell no. And probably why ten hag wanted control coming into the job. Ultimately, it shouldn’t be his responsibility but that’s how it was and it didn’t really reflect well on him. All moot moving forward anyway.

So everything that happened before the takeover means "diddly squat" and this new group of people, who are supposed to take us back to glory days are just going to pretend it never happened and restart from scratch. Yeah, sure. That's how it works. Let's do the same with players too. Maybe Antony is a world beater after all

 

[Sarni]

It definitely does.

If ETH, or any manager, had us playing half decent football 70% of the time, the team looked coherent and there was clear progress, most fans would be happy.

The question here is, just exactly what is he good at or doing well? His transfers have been dreadful, his in game management is poor, there's no progression obvious on the pitch and there's no obvious fight or buy in from the players. It's as bad as its been post Fergie.

What I find bizarre is fans suggesting that if you reduce his ambit, he'll suddenly start to do a good job. Clearly a DoF or similar should be assisting in buying players but admitting your manager can't judge a player good enough for his system or the league you're playing in is a disaster. Likewise, no DoF or CEO is going to be out there doing the coaching.

Did you see his YouTube interview about tactics? That's what ETH is about and we need to stand by him.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Did you see his YouTube interview about tactics? That's what ETH is about and we need to stand by him.

Link please

 

[Rista]

Instant gratification? 10 years and billions of pounds spent...there's nothing instant about this. Even Ten Hag will have had 2 years and backing at the level most managers could only dream of.

But we need to give him 2 more years under new people above him and forget the 2 previous years happened. Apparently that's how it's done.

What I find bizarre is fans suggesting that if you reduce his ambit, he'll suddenly start to do a good job. Clearly a DoF or similar should be assisting in buying players but admitting your manager can't judge a player good enough for his system or the league you're playing in is a disaster. Likewise, no DoF or CEO is going to be out there doing the coaching.

People get offended at the use of the word "cult" but this is literally used as his defence. "He picked shite players but it shouldn't have been his responsibility, even though he wanted it, so he 's the victim!".

 

[FerociousCorgis]

They might for someone who has 5 in 6 in the CL though. Yeah, his PL return hasn't been great but it's weird that everyone always talks about his 2 goals when he has an unbelievable record in the CL.

this drives me crazy too. People just pick and choose what to focus on to slam him for.

 

[Gordon Godot]

Did you see his YouTube interview about tactics? That's what ETH is about and we need to stand by him.

Whose YouTube video? Are you talking ETH? If its Dutch league highlights or ETH spouting stuff its irrelevant

 

[hobbers]

What a load of pie in the sky made up bollocks that is.

I like the guy but no club would be paying anywhere close to the £72m we shelled out for him. Be lucky to get £40m back at the moment.

They might for someone who has 5 in 6 in the CL though. Yeah, his PL return hasn't been great but it's weird that everyone always talks about his 2 goals when he has an unbelievable record in the CL.

Is scoring braces against Copenhagen and Galatasary that unbelievable?

The fact we lost both games is the unbelievable part.

 

[Sarni]

Link please

Whose YouTube video? Are you talking ETH? If its Dutch league highlights or ETH spouting stuff its irrelevant

I think this is the one. I remember it doing rounds when we hired him, making everyone super excited.

 

[hobbers]

Anything he says in interviews prior to the 'we cant play the same way here as at Ajax' quote is pretty much worthless.

 

[Zlatan 7]

So he signed 6 decent players then. He qualified for the CL with a side with a bottom half side with a half dozen decent additions. Bizarre that you can't give him credit for that.

Don't understand the rest of your post. Clearly the structure of the club has to change and the new owners obviously understand that but it doesn't excuse the performances of the manager, or mean that another manager wouldn't have done a better job.

A bottom half side? Come on

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Still think for me enough time has passed that i see how he wants the team to be set up, and i wholeheartedly believe we will not be successful with him in that regards. I was very excited to get him in here, but things have been completely different than what i expected/hoped.

 

[el3mel]

ETH signings are not bad.
Martinez is great, Hojlund is great, Casemiro was player of the season, Eriksen is on a free and brings experience that young players can learn from.
Malacia is decent backup and could develop into starter.

Antony has been bad.
Onana is shaky, but nobody saw that coming, did we?
Mount has been injured and we're yet to see what he can offer.

Very far from "so bad it's incomprehensible".

Hojlund scored 2 goals in the league by January but he's great alright.

 

[lex talionis]

They might for someone who has 5 in 6 in the CL though. Yeah, his PL return hasn't been great but it's weird that everyone always talks about his 2 goals when he has an unbelievable record in the CL.

"Might" as in who? I like Hojlund, but he's not a player who would in any way command a fee of 64m from clubs who can afford to pay that much. There are maybe 10 clubs on the planet who can even consider a transfer fee of 64m for any footballer. They are, in no particular order, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle, Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG and Bayern. I seriously doubt AC Milan and Juventus but let's include them. And of course United. I can't see any of those clubs taking a hard look at Hojlund and being willing to write a check for 64m for him.

Normally I don't really care exactly how much we spent on any particular, but the clubs who sold us Hojlund, Mount, Onana and of course Antony all got us to spend well over what other clubs would have spent for those players. In the case of Hojlund we were desperate for a striker so 64m was probably fair, considering it was United who was the buyer, but if for some reason we decided to put Hojlund in the shop window today the most we'd get for him would be 40m.

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

We've turned £400m of signings into about £200m worth of assets.

Martinez is probably worth close to what we paid for him. But the rest....

Hojlund has halved in value (because we paid 2x what he was worth). We'd struggle to get 10% back what we paid for Antony. Onana and Mount have easily halved in value after their horrific starts, for different reasons. Casemiro is a spent force and we'll struggle to even get £20m from Saudi. Also £10m totally wasted on Amrabat's loan fee.

You understand that managers don’t bid for players , right? ETH isn’t like Barry Fry phoning up clubs and haggling for players.

So when man United consistently over pays on players , for every manager we have had since , that’s the club overpaying , not the managers.

When you overpay for players , you can’t expect their value to increase. Not just that , no player over 28 is gonna have a higher resale value unless they have one great season and leave immediately.

Asides from Bruno, there’s probably not many, if any, United players whose value increased when they joined. That’s a pattern , that’s not a manager issue , that’s a club issue.

The question of how effective players are when they join is more on the manager. Not the value of the player when United overpay for everybody.

 

[Redstain]

Most people who work in leadership in organizations know that when they come in fresh, the best approach is to give managers a chance to work under new conditions with a different level of support and then evaluate after a set period of time of which the manager will be aware of.

Corporately in the hierarchy that's seldom the case, new regimes at higher levels often are implemented with stakeholders being moved around to accommodate new leadership. That's what's currently being witnessed at United, the changes are significantly higher than mid-seniority which for many organizations doesn't see drastic movement. It's essentially a new minority owner, board of directors, CEO, director of football, head of recruitment. That's disruption on almost every operational capacity.

I don't see this notion of Erik being given a multitude of years for his superiors to see how it goes, Ratcliffe is already accumulating the best resources to integrate everything together. If Eth doesn't sign a new contract within the next 6 months the writing is on the wall.

The key to determining the future of the manager is to assess the movement of his contract, it goes above fan sentiment and journalists pieces.

 

[lex talionis]

To be fair, it seems pretty clear already that ETH will be relieved of duty at the end of this season. Blame for poor results can be apportioned in large part to the players themselves, but blame for the disastrous signings of Antony, Mount and Onana are entirely on the manager who insisted on each of them.

 

[Leftback99]

ETH signings are not bad.
Martinez is great, Hojlund is great, Casemiro was player of the season, Eriksen is on a free and brings experience that young players can learn from.
Malacia is decent backup and could develop into starter.

Antony has been bad.
Onana is shaky, but nobody saw that coming, did we?
Mount has been injured and we're yet to see what he can offer.

Very far from "so bad it's incomprehensible".

Such a low bar for being called 'great'.

And Casemiro wasn't player of the season, Rashford was. And now his purple patch is long over we've been shown up for what we really are under Ten Hag.

 

[Toshey]

But why are you considering selling? Why would we sell Martinez? Why would we sell Hojlund?

For what it's worth, if Hojlund keeps developing well he'll be worth 100m +.

Hojlund scored 2 goals in the league by January but he's great alright.

Let's ignore his 5 goals in CL, because it suits our agenda! Beautiful.

 

[JPRouve]

But why are you considering selling? Why would we sell Martinez? Why would we sell Hojlund?

For what it's worth, if Hojlund keeps developing well he'll be worth 100m +.


Let's ignore his 5 goals in CL, because it suits our agenda! Beautiful.

Because funnily enough, he has been the most injured CB since he joined us. His performances also fell off a cliff compared to his first 6 months. Now I wouldn't sell him but there is a case to move from that kind of player quickly when they still have a high reputation.

* He has missed 34 games in less than two seasons.