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Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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I sympathise with him because the club is a shit show and the persistent injuries. But he looks completely inept and just does the same things over and over again even though they don’t work.
His attempt to rebuild has been a completely failure and we have to go back to square one. That’s not just his fault of course but he isn’t giving anyone a reason to suggest he should be allowed to start all over again.
His attempt to rebuild has been a completely failure and we have to go back to square one. That’s not just his fault of course but he isn’t giving anyone a reason to suggest he should be allowed to start all over again.
I still support ETH and injuries has made things worse. I don't want to sack him simply because he hasn't had his team available this season. He deserves it based on last year.
Having said that, his tactics has been quite shit as well. If this one DM isn't working, why isn't he changing the tactics? If we can't score then why exactly are we still relying the same tactics and players. Atleast with Ole, we knew what we were getting . Defend deep and counter in big games. Other games, it's down to individual brilliance.
Hope he learns his lesson and fix it. We are still very much in the hunt for CL places.
Having said that, his tactics has been quite shit as well. If this one DM isn't working, why isn't he changing the tactics? If we can't score then why exactly are we still relying the same tactics and players. Atleast with Ole, we knew what we were getting . Defend deep and counter in big games. Other games, it's down to individual brilliance.
Hope he learns his lesson and fix it. We are still very much in the hunt for CL places.
I'm a glass half-full bloke myself but his reluctance to change his "plan" will cost him his job. Yes, he's had appalling luck with injuries but things have been slipping since the end of last season. I don't know what the answer is because he can only play those players who are fit but for a club like United to lack a striker is unbelievable. It's like 11 strangers having a kick about sometimes. We should have finished off West Ham in the first half but their goalkeeper, for the most part, was allowed to stand around and scratch his arse he had so little to do. The time for learning his lesson has gone, It just seems like bloody-mindedness now.
We are 8th with a negative goal difference and even if we did grab a CL spot, it's likely to be a repeat of this season's fiasco. Until the club is restructured, United won't be anywhere near the silverware and it makes me sad to say that.
Dimwit, yeah great mctominay has scored a few goals but its so obvious the team struggles with this idiotic two advanced 8's system
What we are seeing on the pitch, 16 months into his reign, is just not good enough in terms of how the team plays, how the team is set up, how the team is motivated to perform and how he reacts tactically in-game. All of those areas being at the very core of a manager's task. He is failing and there is no ifs and buts.
That does not mean he is a bad manager per se and it does not mean he was the wrong hiring, it means it did not work out as hoped, with him for us, and we need a new manager.
That does not mean he is a bad manager per se and it does not mean he was the wrong hiring, it means it did not work out as hoped, with him for us, and we need a new manager.
Always an excuse, I remember it was the same with Ole. Always an excuse. If he gets that, if he gets this player or if that player comes back from injury. Then... THEN.... Very much as Liverpool fans used to do. Just realize that he doesn't play successful football, doesn't matter which players he has when his tactical setup is this. United have scored 18 goals, only Sheffield United has less, and we're here making excuses. Jesus Christ. We will never win anything of notice with Erik as the coach, just like we never won anything with Ole. We don't play well enough, I can't get my head around why so many find it difficult to accept it. We aren't unlucky. We are just a poor, poor football team and that is very much his fault.
630 days since Ten Hag assumed the mantle of being Manchester United manager.
Can't come up with someone to replace him to be honest. At this point I am at a loss of who should take the reigns, perhaps Rooney?
Can't come up with someone to replace him to be honest. At this point I am at a loss of who should take the reigns, perhaps Rooney?
Calling me a dimwit is ironic considering that you're arguing against a point I haven't made.
I agree that the team struggles, and I agree that McTominay isn't a long term solution there (which is in the post you quoted), it's just that we need someone on the pitch to score goals, and at present he's the only person in the squad who can do that.
I actually think it is. I mean, this player isn't adding anything to general play. I agree to a degree though, I results are what you are going for, it makes sense to play a player who has shown capable of scoring. But when results aren't going for him, he may be better off showing his actual plans. I guess, a lot of fans would be fine giving him more time even with bad results when at least something positive was visible. Right now it looks just flat. Not enough to live, too much to die.
Might be forgetting something, but didn't Rooney and Ronaldo both struggle to score in Europe for a few seasons. Rooney got his hat trick on his debut and didn't score much for years after. Think Ronaldo scored once in his first 3 years. Obviously that's less of an issue in a more functional team.
I am still against sacking the manager, but it gets increasingly harder to to argue for ETH. His insistence on playing McTominay is really killing me. Another 90minutes today. I mean, alright, put him in the starting eleven, if it works, I'll suffer in silence but when it doesn't work, that is the motherfecking point?! It is as frustrating as it gets seeing him fail without trying to go for the football we thought he stands for while trying to clinch results...
That isn't true though, and you must know that. This thread has been full of posts decrying ETH for being too naïve, sticking to his plan even in spite of the injuries, and not adjusting the team to fit the personnel available. Now that he's actually made a small adjustment to do just that, the very same thread is complaining that he's made it.
I am just so numb these days, not even reacting to losses. For all those who are still backing him and waiting till injured players are back, I believe they have blindfolded themselves to give comfort, because they don't want to think this upcoming Dutch Pep would be so out of sorts, after having a good first season.
The biggest difference between this and last season is Rashford. He had a purple patch in which he was scoring and creating all sorts of goals and this would bail us out. Plus having Casemiro and Licha also helped, but primarily it was Rashford and his goals/Wing play which was the difference for us.
This season our biggest issue is creating and scoring chances.
-Rashford has turned into the Old Rashford (erratic play, too selfish, poor work rate, work ethic and poor physically)
-Garnacho (too young and has currently too many flaws at this stage, lacks pace, physicality, decision making and finishing),
-Hojlund (lack technical ability to set himself up for chances, lacks dribbling, one footed, poor aerially, physically not as strong etc)
Antony (extremely one footed, poor crosser, lacks pace, physicality and dribbling)
Mctominay (Too many flaws to be a Manutd player)
The above mentioned is our esteemed front four (Bruno is used not as a number 10 these days). They all lack soo many basic features but the biggest one is they are not goal scorers, Hojlund had what 8 goals for Atlanta, Antony had poor goal scoring stats in Dutch league, Garnacho should never be a starter at this stage for Manutd and always used as an impact sub. Mctominay has scored the most goals ever in a premier league this season for the first time.
Except Rashford we don't have any player who can get us the goals, Bruno can, but he is used as an 8 these days, so he is never in those positions.
So anybody who thinks having our injured players back, will result in us creating and scoring chances are living in fools paradise, we have accumulated for ourselves one of the worst front 4 in the league, Is it not shameful that the likes of Westham, Villa and Brighton has players with more goal scoring ability and pedigree (eg. Bowen, Kudus, Ward Prowse and Pacquita), Villa (Watkins, Ramsey, Bailey etc), Brighton (Mitoma, Ferguson, Pedro) and I won't even try for the big sides.
Its just so disheartening having spent so much we have such a novice and toothless attacking lineup and which tbh has been available for most of the time, the injuries and suspensions have mostly been with the midfield and defense. Even today we had moved the ball well and gave the ball to our forward players plenty of times, but they either turned back and lost (Antony) or ran into players and head down approach (Garnacho) or could not do anything with it or was not strong enough (Hojlund). ETH has a lot to answer if he thought this was the front four players which would get him goals, because on the basis of this he deserve to be sacked for incompetence.
The biggest difference between this and last season is Rashford. He had a purple patch in which he was scoring and creating all sorts of goals and this would bail us out. Plus having Casemiro and Licha also helped, but primarily it was Rashford and his goals/Wing play which was the difference for us.
This season our biggest issue is creating and scoring chances.
-Rashford has turned into the Old Rashford (erratic play, too selfish, poor work rate, work ethic and poor physically)
-Garnacho (too young and has currently too many flaws at this stage, lacks pace, physicality, decision making and finishing),
-Hojlund (lack technical ability to set himself up for chances, lacks dribbling, one footed, poor aerially, physically not as strong etc)
Antony (extremely one footed, poor crosser, lacks pace, physicality and dribbling)
Mctominay (Too many flaws to be a Manutd player)
The above mentioned is our esteemed front four (Bruno is used not as a number 10 these days). They all lack soo many basic features but the biggest one is they are not goal scorers, Hojlund had what 8 goals for Atlanta, Antony had poor goal scoring stats in Dutch league, Garnacho should never be a starter at this stage for Manutd and always used as an impact sub. Mctominay has scored the most goals ever in a premier league this season for the first time.
Except Rashford we don't have any player who can get us the goals, Bruno can, but he is used as an 8 these days, so he is never in those positions.
So anybody who thinks having our injured players back, will result in us creating and scoring chances are living in fools paradise, we have accumulated for ourselves one of the worst front 4 in the league, Is it not shameful that the likes of Westham, Villa and Brighton has players with more goal scoring ability and pedigree (eg. Bowen, Kudus, Ward Prowse and Pacquita), Villa (Watkins, Ramsey, Bailey etc), Brighton (Mitoma, Ferguson, Pedro) and I won't even try for the big sides.
Its just so disheartening having spent so much we have such a novice and toothless attacking lineup and which tbh has been available for most of the time, the injuries and suspensions have mostly been with the midfield and defense. Even today we had moved the ball well and gave the ball to our forward players plenty of times, but they either turned back and lost (Antony) or ran into players and head down approach (Garnacho) or could not do anything with it or was not strong enough (Hojlund). ETH has a lot to answer if he thought this was the front four players which would get him goals, because on the basis of this he deserve to be sacked for incompetence.
Johnny Evans playing twice in 3 days.
It ought to be good.I’d have some sympathy for the manager if I thought he was making the best of a bad hand and nothing was coming off, or the players had downed tools, but neither of those things is the case. He lines the team up every week without fundamentally thinking about how to get the most out of his most proven players. We keep making weird trade-offs with no apparent upside.
He’s as much the problem as the architect of any potential solution, and I can only imagine any hands-on future investor will increasingly share that view.
I can only speak for myself, not the thread which I admittedly haven't followed today (I am sure, it was very festive in here). I certainly acknowledged that we are looking more structured in the last 2-3 days. The thing I am harping about is the 90minute-insistence on McTominay. And don't tell me the system stands and falls with this guy. He could be subbed ONCE. At least try something different in his place.
I don't have a problem with him sticking to what he believes in tactically. I actually prefer that. What shows him to be out of his depth, is refusing to change McTominay for that tactical role when the only quality he offers for that role is scoring goals every once in a while. Is that the best use of an overload? No. You would think you would want someone who is great on the half turn to spring attacks the quickest. You would think you would want someone with more technique to receive the ball in tight spaces which is required when you're further advanced and the passing lane is slimmer than usual. You would think you would want someone with an ability to dribble in order to lose his marker and spring the overload attack. You would think you would want a better passer, one that is capable of springing overload attacks through the middle so that the overload is more unpredictable instead of the predictable safe pass to the wing.
I don't see him trying different players for that role. He just keeps playing McTominay, when he lacks everything the role requires, but scoring goals. How can the rest of the team score, when the player can do nothing, but score goals in his roles? You're sacrificing the rest of the team for the sake of the stats of 1 individual.
I don't see him trying different players for that role. He just keeps playing McTominay, when he lacks everything the role requires, but scoring goals. How can the rest of the team score, when the player can do nothing, but score goals in his roles? You're sacrificing the rest of the team for the sake of the stats of 1 individual.
Really? Different tactics like what for example? I think he's been trying different personnel, but "tactics" (that might be a strong word) remain the same.
Great pass to Bruno only for that numpty to Hollywood a shot 30 yards to the right.
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Oscillating between single and double pivots, false nines and recycled possession. The personnel isn't there and that is indeed on ten Hag amongst a few others above.
United often compete in matches but do not score.
That word, oscillating. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Anyone still defending him is a WUM.
His management this season is by far the worst of any of our managers post-SAF.
He is an abysmal manager. Our GD is -5 after 18 games. We have 18 league goals in 18 games. We have still failed to beat any decent side away from home.
If this was Real Madrid or Barcelona, they'd ban him from the stadium by now.
His management this season is by far the worst of any of our managers post-SAF.
He is an abysmal manager. Our GD is -5 after 18 games. We have 18 league goals in 18 games. We have still failed to beat any decent side away from home.
If this was Real Madrid or Barcelona, they'd ban him from the stadium by now.
Totally agree, we did well last year purely because of Rashford. He was immerse last season and once his goals dried up, we were hanging on the top 4. If Erik had bought season players who is 25-27 yo swason veteran, we wouldn't be in this mess. We know what we are getting but "no" he went to players who are 2-3 level below young players and hoping they can instantly contribute. Garnacho and Mainoo should clearly be backup that come on in the last 20 mins when we are cruising, they are not supposed to be our savior. Hoijund isn't a 70 million pound striker, Antony isn't a 90 million pound winger. He practically thrown money down the drain in 2 years of managing. United's hand are tie for next few years due to FPP, only thing that can save us is a new owner but Glazer decided to stay on. I hope Rachcliff puts the deal to tell Glazer that he is abandoning this sinking ship. Someone needs to teach Glazer a lesson for the greed they have.
He’s worse than ole
“ we need to do better “
Sack the clown
Sack the clown
"McTominay is our only goal threat" is so infuriating, especially because it's the kind of logic that Manchester United fans and apparently also our fecking managers have been applying for years now.
Essentially, a player will be at the root of major tactical issues within the side that prevent us from properly establishing ourselves in the game, and the justification for keeping them there is that they will sometimes put out the fires that they're massively responsible for starting in the first place. It's absolutely bonkers.
I mean no disrespect to McTominay. He seems like an honest player and a decent guy but it's patently obvious that he should be nowhere near a team with any serious aspirations beyond simply surviving in the Premier League.
Essentially, a player will be at the root of major tactical issues within the side that prevent us from properly establishing ourselves in the game, and the justification for keeping them there is that they will sometimes put out the fires that they're massively responsible for starting in the first place. It's absolutely bonkers.
I mean no disrespect to McTominay. He seems like an honest player and a decent guy but it's patently obvious that he should be nowhere near a team with any serious aspirations beyond simply surviving in the Premier League.
What exactly does he bring to the job, to justify his place?
So if that's the case - what were you arguing here:
You said "objectively it can be argued that any manager would fail in the current structure" - and expounded with - "under the current DoF anyway. I don't think any manager gets a fair shake"
and when I said that's verifiably false as we have had managers that performed better under the same structure - you turned around with an intellectually dishonest take of "no manager did better than cup and top 4" (I'm still cracking up at that) - and now you're saying - "it's not the same structure though is it?"
so, what did you use as the basis of/for your initial assertion(s) then - ???
This place is fecking ridiculous mate. We had the same shit with every previous failing manager. It seems that a lot believe that you aren’t a true fan unless you unequivocally back the manager.
ETH is utterly clueless.
I am already down to zero expectation this season, but that’s quite a shocker.
400m spent, ending up worst than Neville at Valencia. Take a moment to let that sink.
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To make it even worse
Gary Neville transfers in: 2 players on loan
Eric Ten Hag transfers in: 200m on who ever the feck he wants.
Honestly, I would sack him right now just to show that there's at least some MINIMUM standards for how a manager should do in this club.
End up with Potter? So be it. Sack him too if he fails.
I'd have more faith next game if our home form didn't go to the shitter as well this season.
Rooney scored 8 goals as a 16 year old in his debut season. At Hojlunds age he was considered the best player in England. Can't compare the two
.4 games with none scored i bet over them 4 we didn't hit double figures on shots on target
Do you compare all the 20 year old attackers that have scored zero goals in the league with Rooney and Ronaldo? Or just Hojlund?
He's using the same phrases that our shithead players use on Instagram after we lose. Talk is cheap, especially after we hear the same things every week and nothing changes.
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