Utter BS source and complete nonsense but first article of its kind is out.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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With these players? Doubt it.
One of the biggest issues is the expectation of us as fans, not accepting the reality of where we are currently. Instead, we hang on to past memories of what we once were, which causes us to dissect every piss poor performance and apportion blame. We are a midtable team with midtable players who have a midtable mentality, which produces midtable performances and results.
I'm not defending Ten Hag, he has to shoulder his portion of blame because I can't honestly say that any single one of his signings has been a major success, or improved us as a team. But does anyone genuinely believe that any of our current squad would be regular starters for City, Arsenal or Liverpool? You could argue that our so called top players would only be squad players at Tottenham, Villa and Newcastle as well. A new manager might get more out of this squad but we're a long way from competing at the top level.
We're basically the equivalent of a once famous movie star who's now reduced to appearing in commercials in order to remain relevant, but nobody under a certain age really knows who they are. Accepting and understanding this will greatly benefit your mental health and reduce anxiety when we inevitably put in another shit performance, and lose to yet another team that in the past were already beaten in the tunnel.
Graham Potter is the English Erik ten Hag. You're getting the same level of big club cluelessness in a different nationality.
But whatever, if the club wants to try it, let's see what changes.
But whatever, if the club wants to try it, let's see what changes.
Well we're losing games now so the worst we can do is continue to lose games.
Potter and Lopetegui would be utterly shite appointments. Potter has the personality of a wet wipe and is not a good fit for a top club.
I was one of those firm believers when he arrived, and for a time, that was vindicated during that run up to the league cup final were he had us playing some good stuff. I was holding out hope we could rediscover some of that form, but too much has happened for us to get back to that.
Out of all his transgressions, for me, the one that broke my trust is the fact that last summer he wanted rid of Maguire and McTominay, only for them now to be his plan A and most important starters. Injuries or no injuries. That says to me, he's abandoned his principles and has resorted to throwing shit at a wall and hoping it sticks, and the team knows it too.
Out of all his transgressions, for me, the one that broke my trust is the fact that last summer he wanted rid of Maguire and McTominay, only for them now to be his plan A and most important starters. Injuries or no injuries. That says to me, he's abandoned his principles and has resorted to throwing shit at a wall and hoping it sticks, and the team knows it too.
They were good enough for a cup win last season. 'These players' aren't as bad as they're being made to look.
It’s going to take a special manager working in synergy with a special football team above him and even then it will need a touch of lightning in a bottle.
It’s such a huge task to avoid going on the way United are, or turning into a runaway train like Chelsea.
The only condition Potter should step foot in OT is on an interim basis, apart from that, making him full time would be an absolute disaster.
That was mostly down to Martinez, Casemiro, and in-form Rashford, Bruno, Varane and Shaw. Take that away and this is a piss poor team loaded with average to shite players.
That's the thing though isn't it? We don't have to hire a manager that will rejuvenate the club, just hire a manager that will get the team back on track then fire him and hire someone else when the team is at a point where it is ready to compete for major honours. It doesn't matter if you have to cycle through multiple managers to get there, just have a plan that isn't "We need you to carry the entire club for the next 25 years"
No. He is a good coach and a master tactician. Which is his job.
He is not a scout though, why he should be? The coach not being a scout has been the default scenario outside of England for many decades.
Too much sh*** on X. People claiming to 'break news'.
I can't see any change in manager until the takeover takes place and the new owners have a good, good, good look at things. Unfortunately, I don't think ETH will do much in the meantime. His job, until the end of this season should be to develop the youngsters. Coach them and improve their respective games. Garnacho, for example, is getting more exposure, which is great, but for Garnacho to get better, he needs coaching.. add Pellestri, Mainoo, Hannibal etc. Sadly, I can't see ETH doing that, because I don't think he is a good coach at all.
And establish a status quo in the dressing room that you only have to wait a while and you’ll get your way.
Obviously BS clickbait.
Zidane has turned us down before, why would he say yes now? He has been out of management for over two years as well, so either he is waiting for the right job or has little interest.
Potter and Lopetegui....come on
Zerbi is the only one, but I fail see in a month of Sundays why he'd be interested.
Ups and downs are acceptable when a team is in transition. Problem is, a lot of the downs are because of him right now.
You said that like it was an achievement. It's a cup competition the lesser of the cups although a cup is a cup and airways good to win.
Newcastle were on their third choice keeper and have clearly shown they are better than us when we have faced them under Ten Hag but on the day they were worse than us and Casemiro stood up and made the difference like players of his kind are supposed to do.
Take away that and his record since that is absolutely dreadful.
I can't believe he would have survived this long at any other club with his record, his non existent style of play, his horrible man management and his disaster signings which are all on him.
Obviously BS clickbait.
Zidane has turned us down before, why would he say yes now? He has been out of management for over two years as well, so either he is waiting for the right job or has little interest.
Potter and Lopetegui....come on
Zerbi is the only one, but I fail see in a month of Sundays why he'd be interested.
A load of money and the chance to manage United.
People said this about ETH.
99% of managers will jump at the chance to manage us. No matter how bad we are.
Obviously BS clickbait.
Zidane has turned us down before, why would he say yes now? He has been out of management for over two years as well, so either he is waiting for the right job or has little interest.
Potter and Lopetegui....come on
Zerbi is the only one, but I fail see in a month of Sundays why he'd be interested.
It says 'considered' to be fair... just because United have considered Zidane doesn't mean Zidane has considered United!
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Why are you talking about scout? A manager should be able to identify a player‘s qualities and use him for the team he’s building or he’s not being a manager. Players are not foisted upon a manager by the scouting network. I urge you to read any biography of a manager with a modicum of success.
10 first teamers!? That really is clutching! Bayern were nothing special last night. Noone in particular stood out there best players had quiet games. They were solid defensively and efficient when they attacked but they did nothing particularly outstanding. Essentially they brushed us aside. We offered almost nothing, no threat in a game we had to win at home. We never tested them we never stretched we never put them under any kind of pressure.
Injuries yes we have some, but the starting XI last night Martinez for one of the CB's, Casemerio for one of the CM'S aside was pretty much our best XI. As it was losing Maguire and Shaw at half time didn't really make much difference to the performance it was Rubbish in the first half and equally rubbish in the second half.
A 1-0 defeat to a very good Bayern side isn't a horrific result but add it to the performance, the context and the fact Bayern didn't even play that well, it really is awful.
It's the softest run I've seen in a long time. We'd have rightly taken the piss out of City if they won the cup with that level of competition.
Maybe RVP knew something when he rejected the offer to be his assistant.
Sorry, but this is such a shortsighted viewpoint. So the players suddenly become good do they?
Ten Hag was the correct appointment, I still think that and changing after 18 months is crazy to me.
If and when Ratcliffe joins they feel he’s not going to work in their plans then I would understand.
But I’d hope then whoever they gave the job to would have longer then 18 months.
No. A manager should be able to coach the squad, make tactics, adjust the tactics based on the opponents and develop players. He might also identify weaknesses in the team.
A footballing structure which employs dozens of squads, a director of football, some technical directors and a CEO should then find the players and sign them. They are independent of the manager's wishes or requests, because it is understood that they will outlast the manager. It is also understood that coaching is a full time job, thus, the manager has no time on scouting players from all over the world*. As no coincidence, you do not see managers of other big clubs signing 'their own' players. Pep wanted Neymar, Bayern brought him Gotze. He only signed Alcantara who was somehow related to him. And no one else from Spain. When he joined City, he did not sign anyone from his past players (compare to EtH who signed Onana, Antony, Martinez, Amrabat and wanted Timber).
Why on Earth a manager should have a say on whom the club signs or does not sign. I mean, why LVG should have had a say in Shaw who then played for another 4 (soon to be 5) managers. It does not work like this in any other big club except Man United. And actually, it is not football related, in American sports is the same, the coach often hears from media whom the club signed.
* Maybe that is why our squads tend to be severely out-coached compared to almost every other team. I guess the manager is spending time scouting players instead of coaching players.
You’d swear he took over a mid table or relegation team, we’d finished 2nd the year before and always hung around top 4 positions, not a league winning team but hardly this catastrophe that is being implied these days to excuse the manager
He's a weird bloke, got no charisma, boring football, public fallouts, shocking talent ID and he's somehow the manager of the biggest club in England.
I still can’t believe that we finished 4th in a CL group with a Danish & a Turkish team in it. Embarrassing doesn’t even begin to describe it. Hate the idea that not being in Europa is good, we are way past that point now and at least that gives you an extra chance to make the CL. Pathetic
You need to read more about how a football club is managed.
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This is spot on.
But you’re forgetting, we played well for 20 minutes against Tottenham.
They were good last season? Two cup finals and a 3rd placed finish.
You know what's really crazy? Man marking in the midfield, 12 loses in 24 games, playing 36 year old CB's even though you have good one's available to you because you want a left footed one on the left and a right footed one on the right, spending £90m on Antony, chasing Mount all summer, falling out with players, and insisting we played well when we've been shite for months.
It should be disconcerting that there are so many things he has been dire at that there doesn't have to be universal agreement on any one point for him to be in sackable offence territory:
- Cannot set up an attack
- Cannot set up a midfield
- Cannot set up a defence
- Cannot manage in-game
- Does not make timely subs
- Rarely makes impactful decisions
- Has wedded himself to a system we are incapable of playing
- Has fallen out with numerous players *
- Has a totally confusing policy with the youngsters
- Sticks to underperforming players for so many games past due that morale of others is bound to be affected
- Cannot win away against any team that has anything about them (correlates with top 8/9)
- Is frequently battered by multiple goal defecits
- the 7-0 (this is so bad and infamous that you can put in "the 7-0" and Google refers you to the game)
- Spent a fortune on so many poor and/or undercooked players**
- Has had complete reliance on a sole goalscorer (last season) and is lost at sea this season due to the single point failure issue
- Constantly sets his #6 up for failure. (Casemiro became a lazy out on here when it was obvious that the tactical setup had him flailing; Amrabat is left with too much to do by himself and Mainoo was essentially fed to the wolves vs Newcastle's henchmen)
- Plays favourites (as much as it might be said all managers do this, the extent to which he sticks by some players and tosses others is bound to unsettle and demoralise the squad)
* the whys and wherefores can be up for discussion
** the blame for this lays on more shoulders than his
I like to be objective as a poster, but there are no redeeming qualities to the management of this season from the very start of the preseason. Alarm bells were ringing for so many of us that it wasn't funny and the product bought to the games proper has been even worse than the worst the preseason imagination could muster. There can't be a soul on here who thought we'd be where we were by November, let alone December.
If you are going to stick by or believe in what a manager is doing, there has to be some aspects to the work being done that can be honed in on as shining beacons that once the chaff is removed from will really come to the fore. What aspect of anything ten Hag is doing points towards that?
As time goes by doubt is compounding because he does not show any capacity to change, adapt, learn or even identify gaping, fundamental issues, and worse still - if he is aware of the issues, he is being so inflexible and stubborn that the capacity to fix it appears to be beyond his remit. We've now reached the point where his second season contests as our worst post-Fergie, inclusive of Moyes and Ralf. Results wise, that wouldn't be so bad if something genial and progressive was being concocted, instead, we're looking more lost and deflated, and him more than out of ideas as the season unfolds.
There's not long to go now until his position should be untenable. It's a shame because he comes across as a likeable fellow, but by now, not one you hang your hat on in belief he can turn things around. From July until now, it's been an unmitigated disaster of a season and he is more accountable for that than the players, which is damning.
- Cannot set up an attack
- Cannot set up a midfield
- Cannot set up a defence
- Cannot manage in-game
- Does not make timely subs
- Rarely makes impactful decisions
- Has wedded himself to a system we are incapable of playing
- Has fallen out with numerous players *
- Has a totally confusing policy with the youngsters
- Sticks to underperforming players for so many games past due that morale of others is bound to be affected
- Cannot win away against any team that has anything about them (correlates with top 8/9)
- Is frequently battered by multiple goal defecits
- the 7-0 (this is so bad and infamous that you can put in "the 7-0" and Google refers you to the game)
- Spent a fortune on so many poor and/or undercooked players**
- Has had complete reliance on a sole goalscorer (last season) and is lost at sea this season due to the single point failure issue
- Constantly sets his #6 up for failure. (Casemiro became a lazy out on here when it was obvious that the tactical setup had him flailing; Amrabat is left with too much to do by himself and Mainoo was essentially fed to the wolves vs Newcastle's henchmen)
- Plays favourites (as much as it might be said all managers do this, the extent to which he sticks by some players and tosses others is bound to unsettle and demoralise the squad)
* the whys and wherefores can be up for discussion
** the blame for this lays on more shoulders than his
I like to be objective as a poster, but there are no redeeming qualities to the management of this season from the very start of the preseason. Alarm bells were ringing for so many of us that it wasn't funny and the product bought to the games proper has been even worse than the worst the preseason imagination could muster. There can't be a soul on here who thought we'd be where we were by November, let alone December.
If you are going to stick by or believe in what a manager is doing, there has to be some aspects to the work being done that can be honed in on as shining beacons that once the chaff is removed from will really come to the fore. What aspect of anything ten Hag is doing points towards that?
As time goes by doubt is compounding because he does not show any capacity to change, adapt, learn or even identify gaping, fundamental issues, and worse still - if he is aware of the issues, he is being so inflexible and stubborn that the capacity to fix it appears to be beyond his remit. We've now reached the point where his second season contests as our worst post-Fergie, inclusive of Moyes and Ralf. Results wise, that wouldn't be so bad if something genial and progressive was being concocted, instead, we're looking more lost and deflated, and him more than out of ideas as the season unfolds.
There's not long to go now until his position should be untenable. It's a shame because he comes across as a likeable fellow, but by now, not one you hang your hat on in belief he can turn things around. From July until now, it's been an unmitigated disaster of a season and he is more accountable for that than the players, which is damning.
Sacking him wont change anything, the higher ups yadda yadda…..
seriously, he is not good enough and needs to go. No point in keeping a bad manager, even if we have other problems as well.
18 months is more than enough time to show you're on the right track. After 18 months and almost half a billion spent, he's reached a point where we're losing 3-0 at home to Bournemouth (deservedly), finishing bottom of our CL group, and without an away win against a top 12 PL side since he took over. That is atrocious.
I need people to read this paragraph over and over:
Only three teams in Europe’s five major leagues have lost more games than United’s 12 in all competitions this season (Burnley, Union Berlin and Almeria).
Untenable. He has to go.
Only three teams in Europe’s five major leagues have lost more games than United’s 12 in all competitions this season (Burnley, Union Berlin and Almeria).
Untenable. He has to go.
That is more whom not to sign (as a gesture of goodwill of his previous clubs, not whom to sign).
Nevertheless, he is Pep Guardiola, arguably the best manager of all time. Not everyone should have the same power as him. Lio Messi also choose some players that Barca should sign, which they did, it does not mean that Antony should get the same power as Messi had at Barca.
Much smaller clubs sack their managers for less than ETH's showing this season. Clubs with far lower expectations. This idea that we should be forbidden to letting go of another manager that's stinking up the place after 18 months is borderline insane. Finishing at the bottom of a CL group that contains Galatasaray and Copenhagen, losing 0-3 to Bournemouth despite some momentum against Chelsea, failing to beat or even draw against anyone decent on the road for the entirety of the season, whilst not a single one of his signings from the summer has worked out even remotely. What has he done to keep his job?
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