I’ve already been told it it’s not his job to recruit players, it’s not his job to motivate them and he is also not fully responsible for what they do on the pitch because we cannot be certain that they follow his orders, so basically it is not his job to set us up tactically either.
Your last sentence contradicts your previous sentence. A 64 year old manager isn't going to be a long term option.
Progress isn't linear in terms of results I don't think. Like I said, a manger with a long term plan would have to have a proper go at introducing a functional style of play. A short term one yeah progress might mean higher finishes, better results vs the top 10, trophies. I don't know if having a different manager would result in fewer injuries, likely not, no. It probably depends on if the coaching and training sessions haven't left the players in full fitness, the high volume of friendlies was a point of discussion over the summer for example. I don't know if another manager would want to 'offload' either of the players mentioned, I would like to think if they were dead set against using them, they would recruit players in their positions so they don't then rely on them to save their seasons, rather than squandering cash on players like Mount that make little sense on the surface.
No it doesn't, he would be an example of a short term pragmatic manager that would get better results immediately. I quite obviously wouldn't think Ancelotti would be here for a project as he isn't that kind of manager? Emery may not be cut out for the United job, I think he is certainly a better and more proven manager than the one we have right now. A large portion of fans would be delighted to see the back of Ten Hag.
We‘ve played many games with two right footed cb‘s. Shaw played lcb for two reasons: Martinez is out and it is less demanding than playing lb. His playing time and intensity is being managed
We have sacked Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho, Solskajer.
Is a short term pragmatic manager really a good idea? We tried that with Mourinho and it set us back years. A short term manager isn't going to care about bedding in the youngsters from the academy. As he'll be aware he was brought in to generate instant results, he's not going to have patience with any of the younger lads with raw ability, and will more likely push for signing older players who are going to be of no use to us in 3 years time.
There's feck all chance SAF gets the same time in today's game. In season 3 or 4 he was finishing in the bottom half of the league wasn't he?
If we can’t find anyone that we want to be here long term then yeah. Bring in an older head that can still bring in youth players (not that we’ve got loads coming through anyway) but is better tactically than ETH.
Many, many people don’t see this.
He beat Madrid with Aberdeen…
He can beat Madrid with Aberdeen in this modern era and still be sacked by season 3 when he finished just above relegation.
I would love nothing more than Ten Hag to turn this around and prove he’s a good manager with tactical nouse.
Does he spend £400m and make the squad worse in this scenario also?
Like who? That's the question. I don't see any long-term manager out there who is unlikely to crumble under the pressure of one of the biggest jobs in world football.
I love this argument now.
You're comparing apple and orange.
I'm just trying to add context to the hypothetical scenario you wrote about Fergie. Does he get the biggest war chest in the history of the football club and appoint people around him to help with the recruitment process to ensure he gets the right players or does he blow it all on Partik Thistle players because he played against them and his management group know the players? If it's the latter he deserves to be sacked also.
I'm not the one who brought Fergie into the conversation. The two aren't comparable because its different times. I just said Ferguson wouldn't get the same time that he got back then, because the modern game is a lot more impatient today vs 30-40 years ago.
I deleted the comment because I didn't truly believe what I wrote and I felt it was too hash in hindsight, I also think it didn't add much to the discussion.
That's hilarious.
So I guess this proves your point I want him sacked for the sake of being right. Here I am congratulating the manager on winning and having us playing well when clearly I want him sacked instead. Why would I be complaining about the manager at that point? What exactly are you trying to prove other than fans are happy when their team is winning and playing well?Mainly because it's completely and categorically up there with the dumbest things you could ever, ever say. It's saying "we should replace every single player, manager, scout, coach, owner and director and tea lady. And then we will do (?????????) and that will make us win again!"
Yeah there aren’t many long term options, so if needed pick a short term one which was my original point.
I've seen enough from the Van Gaal and Mourinho reigns to put me off short term appointments. A short term manager will pick his favourites to sign, and those players will get binned off by the next manager 2 years later. Thus further restricting us FFP-wise.
Why the manager though? How can you feasibly judge his quality if you are also willing to accept the players and the DoF and the CEO are terrible?
Hate to break it to you but there are thousands of employees who work for Manchester United. Moving on a bunch of players for better, more suitable ones isn’t dumb at all. Maybe that could be you?
I've seen this a couple of times already - why would Ancelotti be fantastic? He is a great manager to make the last step, pushing a very good team to be the best team in a given year. But why would that be helpful to us? We have next to nothing to build upon. He is experienced though I agree so in theory our primadonnas should have respect for a little longer but I don't think, he is the right manager for us. If we have to bring in another manager because of some stupid decisions in the coming weeks, then it has to be somebody very very strict. Somebody who is happy to get into conflict and who is ready to push every of our "stars" to the Reserves training if the effort isn't right and when instructions aren't followed.
