From Amazon prime "All or Nothing: Arsenal", Arteta somehow seems earned the unconditional support from Josh Kroenke. A FA cup or not probably would not get him sacked. Josh backed him 100% to write off the value of Ozil, Aba, and basically the entire team from Wenger era.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Not getting either of them due to a combination of Bayern getting there first with Guardiola and the Toy Story puppet selling us an adult Disneyland to Klopp has ended up setting us back years
You mean the head scouts that were sacked before he arrived? He's working for a CEO and DoF that don't know if they have a job tomorrow. How do expect them to work well with him?
I absolutely cannot stand the constant hoof ball we play under him. I thought we bought Onana to play from the back but instead he launches the ball 70 percent of the time. We just constantly and needlessly give the ball away every match by kicking the ball long. It makes even less sense when the system has left the DM isolated.
Not sure if I believe a single word from Erik in the press conference. Players back him and we play 2 good games and 1 bad game. I am not sure how he sees the game, it seems different from what I am seeing. Against Everton, Garnacho scores a wonder goal and we struggled most of 1st half. Against Galatasray, we played well but conceded 2 stupid goals due to Onana. Newcastle was a no show once again, I think he needs to show me that his team can beat a 6 top side before talking about right direction. There is currently no fire from his group, no one is fighting for one another unlike last season. You could see that everyone was fighting last season when we defend as a team. This season, players slowly jogging back once the ball is lost, opposition ghosting into the box without anyone tracking. The motivation is no longer there to keep clean sheet, so what is Erik seeing. I don't really know.
Thankfully Arsenal weren’t as shortsighted as you.
Our best ball playing CB is injured, which is why we saw Shaw take LCB to try and ease the pressure on Onana. It didn’t work but the injury crisis has not helped ten Hag.
You think because the head scouts moved on before he joined United, United didn’t have a scouting network or reports on thousands of players?
Transitional organisational period occurs everywhere. Surely you don’t think people stop handling their responsibilities because of impending changes? Nevermind that Ten Hag is on record saying he’s been kept informed of said organisational changes and that they are likely to be a net positive for him as they’ll translate into bigger transfer budget and more resources for the project as a whole
Basically, sack everyone but the manager. As if the manager himself didn't have anything to do with the poor recruitment and poor rebuild strategy. She gets it, alright.It's pretty telling that we're talking about Arteta once again here. It's never about why ETH is the right man for the job. It's always either "well, who else then?" or "time + hundreds of millions = Arteta".
That's true but you have to question why he didn't push to sign another ball playing CB in the summer instead of spending big on Mason Mount.
I think you're being purposely obtuse. Refusing to accept the fact that the people above him won't be in a job and how that affects planning. Together with the fact they ripped up their global scouting heads and made a focus more on data analytics and having no idea how that affects the relationship.
It's outstanding how you've completely and utterly missed her point.
It's pretty telling that we're talking about Arteta once again here. It's never about why ETH is the right man for the job. It's always either "well, who else then?" or "time + hundreds of millions = Arteta".
I feel like this is the first presser where he’s straight up starting to annoy me. He’s either completely delusional or thinks saying this stuff will turn the players around.
excusing our poor performance on 3 games within a week is just so WEAK. Newcastle had to play the exact same 11 three times, making 0 subs against PSG (they all played 90mins!) and with a 17yr old in midfield to boot.
they ran us off the pitch!
excusing our poor performance on 3 games within a week is just so WEAK. Newcastle had to play the exact same 11 three times, making 0 subs against PSG (they all played 90mins!) and with a 17yr old in midfield to boot.
they ran us off the pitch!
That we do agree on.
I'm learning all about his tactical shortcomings for the first time, that fluffy CM on Saturday was eye opening.
Even if we had four brilliant, Cruyff-turning ball playing defenders to complement Onana's incredible footwork, our woeful finishing would still be a massive problem.
Why we refused to bring in a proven striker in the summer of 2023 will forever be an indictment of the management of Manchester United.
Why we refused to bring in a proven striker in the summer of 2023 will forever be an indictment of the management of Manchester United.
I’m not - I just know that organisations don’t stop functioning and people don’t neglect their responsibilities due to impending changes, in fact - that’s a core function of planning.
I think you’re being purposely hysteric and amplifying footnotes into grave problems that somehow disrupt all micro and macro functions of a manager’s job to justify his shortcomings - despite him being on record bullish about it
He shall have credit not criticising the players. But he really need to find a way of not defending everything all the time.
And banning media will only get you even worse off.
Not thankfully right
His transfers have been appalling and haven't made sense for the progression of the team.
I dont understand why he spent what he did on Onana and Mount this summer. I wont count Casemiro as a hit because he’s not part of the long term picture despite contributions last season.
I think Martinez and Hojlund are his only hits so far. £400m spent now and when you look at the consistency, application, availability and ability of our players we are probably 7 or 8 first team players from being able to field a good enough starting 11. Its horrible we are as far away as ever
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It's pretty telling that we're talking about Arteta once again here. It's never about why ETH is the right man for the job. It's always either "well, who else then?" or "time + hundreds of millions = Arteta".
We have sacked every type of manager it's possible to have at this point. Surely you see that for all his faults sacking ETH will result in more of the same?
Genuinely for those that are ETH out, what do you expect with a new manager? Like for this and next season what would the expectations be?
What have all those managers done after we sacked them, could it be we are shit at hiring managers.
I find it very hard to call Hojlund a hit. He has scored no goals in the league so far and is clearly not ready.
There has certainly been questionable decision making at the club for many years. Still if we sack him what do we expect? Top 4? Title charge next year?
Are we sure that sacking ETH will change our poor recruitment policy?
Sacking him just seems like the easiest, press the red reset button, we go again, stupid media driven option to me.
Well, the first part of my post is very much on topic. I get this point, though, that it would be better there was a long turn plan for building a squad, although sometimes there will be need for changing direction. And one should not exaggerate either; it's not so that one player can only function in one system. So, for me it's more about who we actually signed, than who signed them. Some some simply not good enough, whatever system you want to play.
You talk about hysteria and then claim that my argument was the organisation stopped functioning?
My point is it would function poorly. And the CEO and DOF having their job under threat together with structural investment overshadowing the club and the sacking of head scouts is not just a footnote
Why is it media driven? A majority of fans seem to want him gone. Can you tell me one thing he has done this season that suggests we keep him? Managers come through adversity, they improve players, they try things. We are back to a worse version of Ole ball with almost the same players but £400m gone from the bank.
That phenomenal network of scouts whose only alternative to De Jong was bloody Casemiro? It's genuinely like Murtough panicked at having to do something and googled 'who is the best DM'.
One constant in all of this is a scouting team that throughout numerous revamps has consistently turned up with nothing, forcing managers to pick players and then, conveniently, not having the blame on their shoulders for players who didn't work out.
You talk about hysteria and then claim that my argument was the organisation stopped functioning?
My point is it would function poorly. And the CEO and DOF having their job under threat together with structural investment overshadowing the club and the sacking of head scouts is not just a footnote
There's enough context in my posts to ascertain that my point is that it wouldn't necessarily function poorly - not to the extent that it becomes an explanation or justification for managerial shortcomings. Again, core aspect of planning.
Structural changes and impending departures happen everyday/everywhere. He'll be alright (away from United, hopefully)
This isn't true by the way.
He really did mess up the recruitment this summer, we are left with mctominay, Mount and amrabat and yet got rid of fred for peanuts who would have contributed more than any of them in midfield
Ten Hag's circumstance of working for a CEO that doesn't know if he has a job tomorrow is categorically NOT something that happens everyday / everywhere. That is a crazy thing to insinuate.
Your insistence on hanging bad transfers solely on ten hag is just weird. If we bought well before him you would definitely have a case. But we bought shit since well before him. There is absolutely nothing to suggest our scouts would be able to suddenly pluck up some good transfers after 7-8 years of doing feck all.
If we sack Ten Hag and hire a good manager we would expect progress, an emerging style of play and if we have a transfer window better signings that target areas of weakness. Sacking Ten Hag will change our recruitment policy as he has input in it. Sacking him is the easiest option, it's (imo) the most sensible one, too. He's built a poor squad and overindulged average players. The new manager needs to come in and make drastic changes that benefit us in the long-term. Sticking with the current manager won't help us becasuse in my eyes we're not building toward anything, we're just coasting through the season.
Who would you want to replace him?
I’m not disputing that a majority of this forum want him gone.
Last year I thought he did well and this year not so much.
You mention reverting back to Ole ball, why do you think that is? And what do you expect to change if we replace ETH?
I really wanted him to succeed but I fear he doesn't see the problem, the Everton and Galatasaray games were not good enough but he's using them as vindication of progress.
At this point I think you're just pulling my leg - fair enough for dragging me into it as long as you did.
Yeah, good thing I haven't done that - I however; do not absolve him of responsibility because of supposed impending organisational changes - as it's been widely reported the club attempted to accommodate his targets (to a detrimental degree even) as it was suggested by the Rangnick quote.
That's the big question isn't it. The answer probably depends on who is available and willing to join. As others said if you could get someone pragmatic like Emery we would be better off in the short term. Long term we would need to find an emerging talent or proven manager that can get the best out of us. Ancelotti would be fantastic if we could actually get him.
Thanks for answering, I agree that it is the easiest and therefore the most likely option. A Few more questions:
What do you mean by progress? Finish higher in the table vs last season or win 2 cups vs 1? Or another measure?
Do you think if we had a different manager at the start of the season we wouldn’t have had the same amount of injuries?
Also do you think with a different manager we would have offloaded Maguire and Mctominay in the summer and not be playing them again this season?
"supposed impending organisational changes". What's supposed about it?
Hes meant to be supported by a network. And by supported I don't mean some clueless guy asking him what he wants. His job is to manage, and he's evidently been given too much freedom. That's not a failure on ten hag, but a failure on the system. Which is what the tweet was all about.
As for pulling your leg, you must be joking yourself by insinuating that structural investment briefs happen all the time /every day
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