Fergie enjoying his time with Big Sam is really heartwarming to see.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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He got top 4 and won League Cup. Our previous managers got same results or even more and got sacked. LVG was sacked few days after winning the Fa Cup. Ten Hag performed nearly nearly at the same standards as the previous managers whom were deemed a failure.
A good structure allows managers to come and go without it constantly being a major disruption.
The lack of structure at United has meant every new manager has been a major disruption.
The two Spanish clubs have definitely had football structures in place. It appeared Chelsea did too before the sale.
Additionally, Madrid have had six permanent managers in the same time, but Ancelotti and Zidane account for four of them.
The point isn't managers changing while maintaining success either. That's what a good structure gets you. The point is changing the managers time and again for failing indicates the problem isn't just bad managers.
The amount of times you have said "structure" in your post proves it me it's mostly a strawman argument. Good luck finding that "structure".
You can criticise both.
Ten Hag is clearly not cut out to be responsible for transfers, and it's fine to point out his targets have largely been poor.
However, it remains true that the ultimate failing there is the lack of structure that gave him such responsibility in the first place.
LVG got sacked for finishing outside the top four, which I imagine will be the case with ETH if we continue free falling.
No, because there is only one reality, and that is that Ten Hag controls transfers. How can you criticise him not controlling it
.You don't believe that good structures exist, and bad ones don't affect the manager in any way?
No, because there is only one reality, and that is that Ten Hag controls transfers. How can you criticise him not controlling it
That's not what "both" refers to.
You can criticise Ten Hag's control of transfers and criticise the club for giving him that control.
However, the bigger failing is the club's, not Ten Hag's.
If Ten Hag had bought mostly good players no one would be discussing structure. Because he's awful, it's used to absolve of him of blame.
No, the bigger failing is Ten Hag. You only use this to absolve him of blame.
If that's football then I don't want to know it.
We've had the same failing from multiple managers. The bigger failing is clearly the club's for repeatedly putting their managers in that situation, when it's completely different to how basically every other modern club operates.
Structures exist and matter, but it's way overblown to the point some think it totally absolves a managers responsibilies. Players can't shoot? Bad structure. Players can't pass? Bad structure. Knocked out of our CL group? Bad structure.
Utter bollocks really. Ten Hag and the coaching team he's employed are responsible for the abysmal football on display
Structure doesn't coach the players. United's coaching and tactics are terrible and that's down to the managers.
I don't think we have played well since the League Cup final.
There is a middle ground between "losing every other game" and "playing like peak Barca with literally any player."
Guardiola would be doing much better with this team.
Even In his allegedly bad first season at City they finished with 78 points and a +41 goal difference.
Can’t score against Luton at home heh.
ETH not getting a shag in the morning.
How much time and how many resources are we going to waste on this guy?
Just going to let him decimate the squad and set us back years with terrible decisions and even worse coaching.
Just going to let him decimate the squad and set us back years with terrible decisions and even worse coaching.
The point is though, not every manager is cut out for that role, even the greatest to grace the game don't get licence to hand pick their own players but I don't agree it should absolve ETH from all blame. It's still a valid criticism of our erratic structure though. LVG and Mourinho couldn't even manage it.
Guardiola inherited a squad built for his arrival and had won two league titles in recent memory.
Why is this team so dull to watch
Bad structure
It's one thing to acknowledge that ETH is poor at recruitment, it's another thing entirely to lay the blame on ETH. The blame for ETH having control over transfers is 100% on the club I.e. Arnold and Murtough.
Spent 2 years building it for him and he still spent about a billion to bring it up to his standards across the pitch.
There's nothing there when we have the ball.
Give it to Maguire, hope he can hit a diagonal to Garnacho/Reguilon. Hope they can hit a decent cross. Ball gets cleared. Repeat.
Everyone runs away from the ball. No one is interested in making good passing angles. Mount and McT doing the usual, hiding behind Luton players.
This amateur hour approach to football only works when you have world class wingers who can create something out of nothing a few times every game.
Give it to Maguire, hope he can hit a diagonal to Garnacho/Reguilon. Hope they can hit a decent cross. Ball gets cleared. Repeat.
Everyone runs away from the ball. No one is interested in making good passing angles. Mount and McT doing the usual, hiding behind Luton players.
This amateur hour approach to football only works when you have world class wingers who can create something out of nothing a few times every game.
Player Stupidity.
There's absolutely no patterns of play to be seen anywhere. Alarming that we're at home to Luton and the passing and movement looks like 'express yourself' more than the likes of Ole ever forced on us.
It all ties together. ETH has himself said that Man Utd don't have players that can play his proffered style. That's on the club.
Yeah that was funny to see.
So the other question is, do you believe that every single manager that's come after SAF has been a terrible coach, with terrible tactics. That includes Rangnick who had a reputation for popularising "gegenpressing" as we see it today.
There's a weird collective on here who are completely blinkered when it comes to the structural failings at the club.
They'll accuse others of expecting every manager we hire of becoming SAF with enough time, while simultaneously arguing that every manager we hire should be able immediately turn around performances and completely shape the club into an attacking powerhouse within two seasons.
Same old Ole ball. Zero progress.
Stop. Starting. Scott. fecking. Mctominay.
Yeah just get Diego Simone if your going to ever sack him. (Hope they wont but we wouldnt know). He would be a perfect manger. His tactics would actually suit the PL.
That's his job coaching the players how to play his style, not to buy a full new team who could play that style.
Who starts ahead of him? He’s our most in form midfielder at the minute. I know he’s not good enough but neither is anyone on the bench. We’ve got to ride it out
That’s such nonsense but I get why you can’t see past this narrative.
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