We didn't start Garnacho or partner Casemiro with McTominay, but if we are going to start using the latter as some sort of desperate Fellaini - like Hail Mary, then fair enough
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Point is, the change worked and the players who were slated came to rescue, today. I don't expect an apology but a self realization that they are decent players and can help us in this difficult situation is the least we should do.We didn't start Garnacho or partner Casemiro with McTominay, but if we are going to start using the latter as some sort of desperate Fellaini - like Hail Mary, then fair enough
And Oh,Rashford and Sofiyan were shit today as well.
I applaud him for subbing both Casemiro and Martial that early. They have been piss poor. I think we always start the game well with high energy and somehow end up conceding stupid goal and then the morale goes down. We need a big win to get our season started again. Feel the confidence is lacking.
What are you trying to say? That ETH is not at fault for the club paying 90m on a player he wanted and trained for 2 years? Yeah Murtough and the other wanker are at fault but so is ETH, he had the best insight of his value and ability and he okeyed it. Ultimately he should have known that buying a former player of his, will always be on him more than on anyone else.
Nobody is saying Arnold and Murtough are not at fault, they are most culpable of blindly following ETH, that is because they are a bunch of football nobodies and need to be sacked. But there is no excuse for training some crap player like Antony for 2 years and deciding that he is the player that will improve my team in the PL at Manchester United and is worth 90m of my club's budget.
Clearly, but the point is we don't have Pep and there isn't another like him anywhere. We had two CL winning managers, we bought shite under them. We had an ex-player who knew "the United way" and bought shite under him. That people are still blaming the manager for buying shite is just slightly mad to me.
Garnacho has always been a good option off the bench so McTominay was the only one who was unwelcome really. However, he did the business when he came on. I still don't think he is anywhere near good enough, but if he can pinch a few late goals like Fellaini did, then fair play to him.
Agreed. I'm not against Garnacho and Mainoo (when fit) coming into the side.
we played shite
Mct wasn't brought on to "partner case"
Dalot didn't play on the left
Lindelof didn't play on the right
Garnacho didn't start
Heh
Give the credit to Harry too. He was great today.
You are missing the whole point,buddy. You think this is one of the "hey I told ya" posts.
Keep doing that.
*Ten hag OD's on coke*
"You do know Murtough and Arnold were at the party watching him do it? They could've stopped him. And yet somehow it is his fault?"
There is as much pressure on Bayern manager than a United manager. They expect to win everything.
City is a perfect environment for Pep, but he has created that. City hired Txiki Begiristain the year before Pep came in, on the instruction of Pep as a condition for him joining.
In 18 months, i dont think we have seen what Ten Hag football looks like, certainly not consistently.
I believe Pep would stamp his identity on this team pretty quickly.
They didn't play with 2 DMs and couldn't score until Casemiro was off the pitch with McTominay basically playing as a 3rd striker.
Anyways you're right about Amrabat at DM, he's way better there than at LB and he's an upgrade on Case for what we need from that position.
We did go basically a season unbeaten at home - between last seasons opener at home to Brighton and a few games ago. Our home form under him was fantastic last season.
I’m not going to act like we’ve seen Ten Hag’s brand of football, but it’s early days and we’ve been killed by injuries. Right now it’s just about getting results until we can get everybody fit and firing.
I’m not comparing Ten Hag to Klopp or pep, other than to say that even the 2 best managers in the league struggled initially. Ten Hag finished 3rd and won a trophy - something neither pep or Klopp did. He’s also had to contend with disciplinary issues of Antony, Greenwood and Sancho, the ownership issue, the club running out of money and several other things out of his control. Prime Arrigo Sacchi wouldn’t get a tune out of a team with no first choice defenders in it!
It would be a challenge to check the stats on this, but I don't recall Messi ever scoring twice in stoppage time. Or Ronaldo.
A lot of "what i think" here and assumptions. We don't really know what goes on behind closed doors. To assume that the club has no data, scouting reports or intel on players it quite frankly ludicrous. The club hire 50+ scouts.
Both the club and ETH have a veto - it has been reported in relation to Kane who the club Veto'd and ETH wanted.
What is factual is that Anthony and Onana are both Ten Hag's guys. Yes, the club could have veto'd the signings, but when a manager says "I want these players and I can vouch for them" it is very hard to kick back against.
Ill give Ten Haag one excuse. Nobody could predict our main players falling off a cliff. Its not even poor form. Its like they cant play football anymore. Im talking about our key players - Rashford, Bruno, Casemiro, Onana. Thats the spine of the team along with Varane who just cant stay fit but we could all see that coming. But with these other players I mean WTF is wrong with them. Sure you can say Ten Haag could have just dropped them but I think any manager would struggle if your main players just went totally sht overnight. Say Liverpool had Allison, Van Dijk, Salah and Szoboszlai just go sht. Could they cope? Could Arsenal cope if say Saka, Rica, Saliba, Odegard went donkey sht. its unprecedented. Its not just form. Its attitude, its their leadership, its everything.
He looks clueless on how to construct a top level attack in this league.
Our goal-scoring has been abject in both seasons in the league.
He's not going to survive here if he doesn't seriously pick it up a few levels.
Our goal-scoring has been abject in both seasons in the league.
He's not going to survive here if he doesn't seriously pick it up a few levels.
Home form good. Last years away form was diabolical.
Beyond against Palace B, we have been poor in every other game.
More often than not, regardless or injuries, we still have the far superior players. You can only really say Bayern and Arsenal have better.
No one can see what the plan is supposed to be. We literally cant string 3 passes together. This manager is not getting this team to do even the basics or marking, tracking back, finding space, passing to an open man.
There is a disconnect between managers and players. We got away with it today and hopefully its a turning point, but if its more of the same after the break, something has to give.
I agree with you. The thing that’s frustrating is though, we don’t yet see a style of play after a year in charge. We’re seeing the spurs manager change them around instantly. ETH has made expectations higher for himself because he won a cup and finished 3rd in his first season. It shouldn’t be 1 step forward and 2 back. We should be seeing a lot more progress this year. It took guardiola 2 years to start winning things and challenging… it took Klopp about 3. We’re nowhere near at their level though. The scousers had 1 bad season last year and they’ve instantly turned it around this year again so far…
Seems pretty straightforward to block them just on money grounds, unless they can't themselves provide any better alternatives.
I’m not going to read too much into today, the same as I wouldn’t read too much into some of the losses we’ve had this season. I’m just looking at the bigger picture, and while the away form against the top 10 is concerning, as well as the drop off post league cup final, I’ve seen enough to give him time to get it right.
I certainly don’t think sacking him and going back to square one is a smart thing to do. We’d have to begin the whole cycle again.
Well we could have signed antony for much cheaper though had we gotten him in June itself. The board were idiots to waste one month chasing fdj and then panicking with antony signing.
Personally if we had all our players back I’d be confident we could get back to being a cohesive team in time…but we didn’t have that so he’s in serious trouble. By the time we do confidence might not be redeemable in time to save him.
No, he's not that bad. He's had a bad start to the season, and his confidence is low. But he is easily our most threatening player in general. Fans just have short term memories.
This is basically it for me. It's less to do with personnel and more tactical. And he hasn't shown the tactical level yet. Our wide play is pathetic, we have a complete lack of options out there until late in games. It just doesn't make sense when you consider how key that is for any big club. City, Arsenal, Liverpool etc all put so much focus on dominating the wings, having combinations out wide, stretching the pitch and then making paths for cut backs or crossing from better positions.
It's something United prioritized throughout all of Sir Alex's time and that is still key to this day. Yet we have Rashford rarely going on the outside, inverted left backs, whoever at RW roaming inside all game as well as asking Dalot to invert and tuck in pretty often along with then overlap when he gets the chance. It's a system set up for narrow play which requires precision that is just hard to execute even for top players. Very frustrating to watch
Maybe. Though there might be something in having him fresher against more tired opposition by making the sub later? Just a theory. I assume the analytics guys would look at that.
Yes, forgot about Maguire. Did well. He played well against Palace in the cup too.
Are we just talking about this season? I'm not being literal with my numbers. You get my point.He has started like 2 times?
let the player start the 10 games before starting with these comments.
I guess he didn't start any games last year.
If EtH doesn't drop one of Bruno or Mount in the attacking midfield to play McT, and doesn't drop Rashford for Garnacho, then Erik has no balls and no brains.
Doesn't matter who done what when in the past. Right now, right here - play your best team. McT is clearly on goal-scoring streak for national team and United. Garnacho clearly knows winger needs to assist. Let them score goals! No two ways about it
Doesn't matter who done what when in the past. Right now, right here - play your best team. McT is clearly on goal-scoring streak for national team and United. Garnacho clearly knows winger needs to assist. Let them score goals! No two ways about it
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Bang on.
And while Sancho was and is out of line, it's stuff like this that can turn more of the squad against EtH.
He won’t survive if we keeps signing his favourites.
Rashford needs to be dropped/sold on - he won’t have a better season than last year.
Rashford needs to be dropped/sold on - he won’t have a better season than last year.
We clearly need some structure around signings because his have been shit too often, but many have been saying that for years
Someone needs to take him off recruiting. Every year we buy more deadwood it’s honestly insane. Our signing success rate must like 10-20%. Shambles.
Seems high, particularly when taking fee into account.
For a Manchester United supporters forum, there are an awful lot of cnuts in this thread. It's pathetic
Happy we won but to be honest, we just as easily could have lost every single game this season apart from the league cup match against Palace.
For me it is the utterly disorganised and chaotic manner of our defending that is the biggest flaw. All it takes is for one player to switch off and the press crumbles.
There are so many issues with our tactical set-up and ETH hasn't made it easier for himself by poor recruitment to adapt to an approach that clearly needs a different set of players both from an ability and mentality perspective.
All good talking about us needing to live up to our standards but standards are set only when the system is present. We have neither.
We've taken 2 steps back this season from last season's progress.
For me it is the utterly disorganised and chaotic manner of our defending that is the biggest flaw. All it takes is for one player to switch off and the press crumbles.
There are so many issues with our tactical set-up and ETH hasn't made it easier for himself by poor recruitment to adapt to an approach that clearly needs a different set of players both from an ability and mentality perspective.
All good talking about us needing to live up to our standards but standards are set only when the system is present. We have neither.
We've taken 2 steps back this season from last season's progress.
I agree.
But if the form and performances do not improve, something has to give.
You cant give him another couple of transfer windows to fix it if there are no real signs of life.
And why were they chasing FDJ? Because ETH wanted him.
Not sure if that is the case anyway. We already stuffed Ajax's bank account after the Martinez deal - a second player Ajax was away going to be expensive.
I have got to think there was enough of an indication that FDJ was open to a move for them to keep persisting.
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