Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Keep. I am still yet to see him fail when he's got everything going for him.

Yes we should be playing much better with what we have, and it's concerning. However he's had to deal with so much shit, and the current injuries are the cherry on top, plus having three RW out with disciplinary issues is unheard of.
Stars are only aligning ever so often.

We need someone capable of adapting and overcoming, not someone that can coast.

New owners will sack him.
I'm fairly sure this happens as it stands.
 
De Zerbi and I think Gross said in their post match interviews that they struggled a bit at the start because our change of system surprised them and it was not what they had planned for. Once Brighton settled and figured it out, they started keeping the ball a lot easier.
Because nobody was near them
 
At this moment, no.
Do I think he will succeed? No, I think he won't. He will be gone in the same fashion Mourinho, Ole and the others have gone.
Do I think that there is a manager who could actually turn things around? Sadly, no. At this moment there is an incredibly negative atmosphere in and around the club.
 
That covers it for me. Until they're working their ass off and fighting for 90 minutes i find it hard to be critical.
It falls on the manager if he keeps on rewarding the lazy man-childs with starts. We saw this under Ole, he was loyal to the same group of toxic players and eventually the fans turned on him. ETH needs to be brave, drop the lazy bastards and go with the youth who will do the basics and give their all.
 
Nah you can't blame personnel here. He put Eriksen in a role where he had to cover massive amounts of space, constantly. We all know his limitations, and he put him in a role that highlighted them. It's shit coaching. It's shit tactics. This is what he used to be good at. If he can't do that here, then replace before it's too late.

Who else does he put there? Ambrabat is injured. Fred left. VDB who cares. Even the kid Mainoo is out. We've nobody.
 
I don't want ETH sacked at all. But for those who do, who on earth would even touch the job at the minute.

We are skint and have a complete lack of footballing structure at the club from the top down. Look at all the top clubs in the PL. They all have a good secure top class structure from the top of the club down to the manager. We can't just keep changing manager at the first sign of things going wrong, Arsenal stuck with Arteta through the tough times and now look.

And for those who say "But we are Manchester United" we aren't the Manchester United we used to know, its in the past and we need to take our heads out of the sand and accept that many clubs are better than us these days including City, Brighton and Liverpool.
 
Same thing. Either way I don’t think this would happen amongst the likes of GOATs such as Pep and Fergie
Inheriting a bad apple is not the same thing, no.

And you clearly don't have enough knowledge about Pep or Ferguson to rule that sort of a lazy statement. Sancho didn't want to fight under Pep, was ill disciplined for dortmund and is ill disciplined under us. It's got feck all to do with Ten Hag so stop trying to claim it to be otherwise.
 
I would sack ETH if the new director of football appointed by new owners has someone better in mind.

Murtough and Arnold havent got the authority or respect or expertise to be sacking a catering assistant let alone a fecking manager.
 
I’m not sure that TH is the second coming of the messiah but he’s the first manager with a possession based / high line philosophy you’ve had and it will quite obviously take time and yet more signings to get your squad comfortably versed in this new style of play.
Until that happens you’ll have your pants pulled down now and again - you should all get over it, this is how it goes and it’s a sign of progress because it’s indicative of a side going through a reset.

It seems that an awful lot of supporters on this forum can’t quite get to grips with this stunning revelation.

Yes I agree. I think once everyone is fit and available we will see a vast improvement in our performances and results.
 
People need to get a grip and get behind the team. Its been bad, no doubt but the guy has half the first team out and unbelievable amounts of off the field stuff to deal with.
Also, how unlucky are we? Theres so many key moments that havent gone our way, going back to Fernandes uncharacteristically bad header miss to put us 1 up at Spurs when we were the better team, Garnacho being a fag paper offside to go 2-1 up against Arsenal, the goal today was so close.

We need a lucky break, the team is really paying the price for a crazy pre season fixture list in terms of injuries and ETH and all of the footballing decision makers need to really think about the impact on the form because of that.
 
I’m not sure that TH is the second coming of the messiah but he’s the first manager with a possession based / high line philosophy you’ve had and it will quite obviously take time and yet more signings to get your squad comfortably versed in this new style of play.
Until that happens you’ll have your pants pulled down now and again - you should all get over it, this is how it goes and it’s a sign of progress because it’s indicative of a side going through a reset.

It seems that an awful lot of supporters on this forum can’t quite get to grips with this stunning revelation.
How dare you come on here with your common sense approach, this is no place for you.
 
We paid so much for these players because they were the manager's targets and he insisted on getting them.

If the club hadn't paid that much for Antony or Mount and moved on, the comments would have been "Freaking Glazers refusing to back the managers and spending money on his targets and instead giving him low cost players, Feck off Murtough".

The board backs the manager and pays crazy money for shit players because the manager asked for them by name, they get criticized, they don't, they get criticized. What are they supposed to do ?

We lack a clear strategy at the market but these signings are on the manager. He's the one who asked for them.
How do you know if these players were first choice? Hypothetically, if ETH or any other manager gives targets for each position and club says you know what we can't negotiate for them because FFP or player has competition from better clubs, then the manager has to either pick a lower quality target which club can afford or let that position not be filled. I am not saying this is what happened, but I am just saying things are not so cut and dry. There would be many factors at play.
 
This club is dying, it’s a dinosaur, on its knees wilting from top to bottom and we can’t keep pinning the blame on the manager alone. ETH takes his share of the blame for on pitch performances as do the coaches and players, but its the owners, the staff, the culture, the malaise that have us performing the way we are and being the laughing stock we have become.

This is spot on. All the top clubs have a top class structure from Owner to Manager and we do not. The Manchester United of the 90s and 2000's is gone and the last 10 years, despite wasting millions on stupid contracts and needlessly expensive transfers (United tax maybe) the club has been getting poorer and poorer to the point we are pretty much skint.
 
Nah our pressing has been pretty good this season. It's not half arsed. You press to a point and you cut options. They are very good at playing out obviously. We gave them an easy out ball though which they abused.

Blaming work rate today is nonsense. It wasn't a problem. We were tactically undone and were chasing shadows.
It’s not about work rate. It’s about not understanding when to press from which angle and how hard. That’s why we pressed unsuccessfully today. A functioning press where everyone works as a team doesn’t allow the opposition to just play around.
 
So many rabbit on about the issues 'top to bottom', sure there are a lot of issues, but the manager brought in players he specifically wanted, for a lot of money on big contracts, the tactics, style of play, results, just have not been there overall. A lot of fans wanting to excuse all this because of the ownership hatred. I'd imagine of the Arabs took over by January, same fans would probably be more keen to get a manager in who would spend the money well and have an actual style of play you can recognise.

Right now, you may as well bring in Roy Keane, at least he'd take zero nonsense from players who in the main are just not perfrming, especially when the chips are down.
 
League cup mate, which is next to the community shield a mickey mouse cup. He would have lost against Pep, as usual.

It may sound hyperbloic now, but it will trickle down eventually to you as well. Give it time, if you dont see it now, you will soon. Just watch closely.
It may trickle down, I'm ready for that. When the time comes, then he'll go. Now is not that time.

He may turn it round. We have Amrabat, Mount, Varane etc to come back soon, and Reguilon and Hojlund to bed in. And we have a run of easier fixtures to get some points on the board. We're not a bad team, we almost beat Arsenal away a couple of weeks ago but for some bad luck.

And it would be helpful if the club weren't mired in perma-scandal for a few weeks so we can focus on actual football.

Ps the Carabao Cup is a recognised trophy, I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda.
 
Frustrating we are again where we were last season with the saving grace that the fixtures were harder this season. He turned it around last season so for me he still has the benefit of the doubt. His signings are worrysome though.
 
I went to todays game. The boo he received for putting Martial on when we were 2 nill down felt like a bit of a landmark in our relationship with the manager. It was the whole home crowd basically.
 
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Inheriting a bad apple is not the same thing, no.

And you clearly don't have enough knowledge about Pep or Ferguson to rule that sort of a lazy statement. Sancho didn't want to fight under Pep, was ill disciplined for dortmund and is ill disciplined under us. It's got feck all to do with Ten Hag so stop trying to claim it to be otherwise.
You’re the one that specifically mentioned discipline in the context of it being a trait that he uniquely has brought to Man Utd after his predecessors. So shouldn’t that mean things like the Sancho situation wouldn’t happen under his watch…
 
Can we at least wait until we don't have such a long list of injuries and suspensions before we start having these exhausting conversations 5 games into the season? No Varane, Shaw, Mount, Amrabat, Antony. I guarantee all of them would've featured today if they were available.

As mad as it was playing Bruno at CB, our options off the bench were Maguire or Evans - and I'm sure the caf would've loved it if either of those were subbed on when we were chasing a goal.
 
How do you know if these players were first choice? Hypothetically, if ETH or any other manager gives targets for each position and club says you know what we can't negotiate for them because FFP or player has competition from better clubs, then the manager has to either pick a lower quality target which club can afford or let that position not be filled. I am not saying this is what happened, but I am just saying things are not so cut and dry. There would be many factors at play.

Because the club won't pay 60 or 90m for a player unless the manager insists on it. The easier for them is to move on for other cheaper signings, but they kept on coming back for Mount again and again during the summer.

He also trained Antony before.
 
So that’s Moyes, Mourinho, Van Gaal, Rangnick and EtH that will have failed and been given the chop.

When will people realise that perhaps it’s not solely on the manager? It’s rotten from the top down. Terribly run clubs produce terrible results.

Im fed up of the knee jerk ‘Sack the manager’ mentality.

Spoiler alert, if we did that, we’d still be fecked.
 
Can we at least wait until we don't have such a long list of injuries and suspensions before we start having these exhausting conversations 5 games into the season? No Varane, Shaw, Mount, Amrabat, Antony. I guarantee all of them would've featured today if they were available.

As mad as it was playing Bruno at CB, our options off the bench were Maguire or Evans - and I'm sure the caf would've loved it if either of those were subbed on when we were chasing a goal.
Exactly. This is not our normal state. Worst injury list in the league, and barely any of our new signings have been able to play.
 
Can we at least wait until we don't have such a long list of injuries and suspensions before we start having these exhausting conversations 5 games into the season? No Varane, Shaw, Mount, Amrabat, Antony. I guarantee all of them would've featured today if they were available.

As mad as it was playing Bruno at CB, our options off the bench were Maguire or Evans - and I'm sure the caf would've loved it if either of those were subbed on when we were chasing a goal.
Did you look at Brighton's team
 
You’re the one that specifically mentioned discipline in the context of it being a trait that he uniquely has brought to Man Utd after his predecessors. So shouldn’t that mean things like the Sancho situation wouldn’t happen under his watch…
You specifically mentioned sancho. I said ten hag inherited a bad apple.

I never insinuated he bought it into United. I am saying that sancho is a poor example becuse 1) ten hag never bought him, 2) hes a product of the previous regime and 3) ten hag is isolating him from passing on a bad influence to the dressing room, as Pep or Ferguson would have too.
 
Today sucked. But I am not actually feeling all doom and gloom.

We have a team going through huge transition. We still need 3-4 key signings but also to sort out many new players, including very talented youth

I think this season we may finish 8th or 9th but I would still give Ten Hag all the time in the world and if we have new owners by December, he may still get us to winning things next year

Sacking Erik would be stupidest thing to do even if we keep losing
 
Leaning more to sack. He can go the same time as the Glazers do
 
True but it just feels so hopeless right now. How can players in a Man Utd shirt play with such lack of energy and spirit?!
Theres many facets to the reply but to save us going in circles il just say, if we can't navigate a solid point haul in all our games up to the City game, you have a right to be worried.
 
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