Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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I was at the game and he's starting to lose the crowd. Even before the game, when the lineups were announced I was in the Metrolink and everyone was scratching their heads at McTominay instead of Pellestri. And the boos when he bought on Martial for Hojlund were quite clear.

At least in the section around me, you could already hear the term "bald pr*ck" being thrown around by a fair few people.
 
To even insinuate he is comparable to Ole is disrespect.

I think Ten Hag wil achieve much more than his predesessors, which is making us relevant as a top team again.
Can I just ask what you are basing this on? Like, what specifically have you seen since he has come here that makes you think this (even the cup win…we have declined A LOT since that)
 
I don’t know how anybody could want to sack ETH after a few games. The amount of injuries we’ve had to start this season, including taking our time to get a striker, and another number six meant that we went into this season both of those players not ready to go.
I almost think this season is just to bed in these new players hopefully get rid of more deadwood and sell the club. Realistically, the squad as is is not capable of competing for much. Rasmus has looked bright, but we still only have one striker, whereas other clubs have three options.
We have too much to rebuild. And it was always going to take 3 to 4 seasons. The bright spot as we were able to get a cup last season and get to play some champions league football this year.
 
I'm coming to terms with the fact that we're a team who would finish as high as second in the best of times and as low as 7th in the worst of times. Could win a cup every couple of years and maybe make it out of our group in the UCL if we're even in it.
That's the level of Man utd post SAF under the the current owners and structure. we've tried different managers and used a large pool of players the last 10 years and it's still the same cycle. Its just what we've been reduced to.
 
I am not blaming the manager here, shit window and loans. Nothing will change with these owners. The bright days of Utd being sold have now turned sour. He has had a lot to deal with injuries and the club being in the shits. Hope we stick this out and he is given a chance under new owners.

Yeah. We've never won the League with these owners.
 
absolutely keep...for now. Yes I could be singing a different song in a few months or we could be cheering ETHs red and white army at the top of our lungs. The club stinks right now but we have to keep faith in his process right now and I believe he'll drag us upwards
 
he’s been backed ? Are you sure? As many of his signings have been loan deals or free transfers. Do you see pep getting loan deals? No you don’t. Do you see him holding on to players with attitude problems? Nope. United also over pay for players. That’s not on ETH. Our recruitment is non existent. Again, not on ETH. Can’t sell players he clearly doesn’t want. Not on ETH.
400M spent in 2 summer windows. Four more windows at the same rate and he would have spent the equivalent of what three managers would have in this period. It's not a question of backing its the issue of backing.
 
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He's doing poorly at the moment but the club is such a shitshow that it's hard to imagine someone else doing much better.
If we were to sack him,

you'd think the only type of managers who would want to come here are ones like Graham Potter who know they'll never get another chance at a top (has been) club, and earn the amount of money we pay.

What's the point of having one of these managers?
 
He had Pellistri. Not a world beater but decent right winger with who you don't need to do all other changes. That means that McT doesn't need to play, that Bruno can play on his best position and that you can play you system which you play over the year now.
All of sudden Case-Eriksen-Bruno midfield is completely shit? Can't play with it against Brighton at home?

Not suddenly shite, but not good enough to out-battle their midfield.

Casemiro is playing at 50% for some reason
Eriksen has nowhere near the energy/ mobility
Bruno isn’t disciplined enough.

Eriksen has NO place in a starting line-up against any team with midfield energy, but we don’t have any other options until Amrabat gets fit.
 
Haven't he spent £450m in just two season? Some managers could do more with less. It is not like we have starved him of players. That amount is more than enough to buy players to fit his style. Heck, he implemented a style with much less at Ajax :nervous:. So no doubt that he has been backed. If you want to argue whether he has been backed properly, that also don't hold much water because we don't have a DoF or sporting director. The players we signed seems more his signing than the club signing.

Chelsea spent over a billion pounds.
 
We're doing this again are we?

Glazers must love our fanbase.

Well said. It’s like we never learn. Same broken record every time. Different managers, doesn’t matter. We will never move ahead as as a club as long as the common denominator is still around. Glazers out!
 
Today is the first time I'm questioning him. That system was stupid to start with. We all know how attacking Brighton's fullbacks are and he decided to give them all the time in the world playing without wingers and a diamond. Self sabotage at its finest. You'd rather play McT who has never shown he's good enough to play central midfield for United than giving youth a chance.

And to compound the problem, refuses to make any changes to the system until after the match is already lost and also brings on Martial when we are chasing a game.

What was up with playing Bruno literally everywhere by the way? After the substitutions I thought he was playing defensive mid but then I see him popping up as central defender? The feck we were trying to do? And why is Martinez getting substituted every game this season? Collection of bad decisions that game.

I was a little apprehensive of this game beforehand because of all our injuries and off the field issues but this performance casts some serious doubts over ETH for me. Brighton were very comfortable all game.
 
Normally, if it was obvious by September, that the team will be competing for nothing this season, you'd want to make drastic changes
 
ETH must stay as any change will allow those really at fault to escape judgement day.
 
They didn't fail because they were bad managers - there are plenty of league and CL trophies among two of them, so there was clearly something unique to United that caused them to fail. ETH gets Ajax within a whisker of the CL final then comes to United with massive funds backing him, and pretty much struggles as Mourinho and LvG did.
But they were (relatively speaking, obviously any manager in top leagues is in top 1% of managers worldwide).

Moyes, after failing here, got quickly fired by Sociedad, then relegated Sunderland, then didn't get contract extended for West Ham. He is now doing well, but he needed 8 years between him getting fired and him doing well. And well is quite relative again, no big club would touch him.

LVG after getting fired here, said that he is looking for the right job. But the right job never came, and the only job he got was Holland's manager again, when he bore everyone to death with his brand of football. He also won his UCL 2 decades before joining United, so it is pretty much irrelevant.

Mourinho was unemployed for a year and then best he got was Spurs. He then got sacked by Spurs. And the best he got after that was Roma. He obviously was not a top manager when he was here.

ETH had a very good UCL season when he reached semi. The next season, Ajax couldn't pass the group stage of UCL. The season after that, they couldn't pass the group stage of UCL. The season after that, they passed the group stage but got eliminated by Benfica. So that season looks more like an one-season wonder, rather than him being consistently good in UCL. And let's be fair, many managers got a single good season in UCL, but they were not that great. A couple of years before him, Jardim reached UCL eliminating City in the process. A year after EtH, Nagelsmann reached UCL semis with Red Bull. And last year, Simone Inzaghi reached the finals with Inter (a better funded club than Ajax, but still nowadays not a club that has lots of money and thus not many top players). It happens for an ok, but nothing special manager to have a decent season in UCL, but that well, does not mean much.

I think a better way of judging managers of United is how well they did at United. EtH did relatively well last season, guiding us to third in a season where Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs were shit. Saying that, we got enough points to end in UCL zone in most seasons. He also won the smallest of Cups. The football for most part was awful, which is always a sign that things are not that well. And the consistent humiliations we got in away matches were a sign of fundamental problems that people pretended they did not exist. The signings looked to have large problems from the beginning (at least to me and another few who do not blindly trust the manager), and this season you need to be blind, and switch off the brain to pretend that the signings were anything except genuinely awful (and no, we do not need to wait for 3 years to confirm it).

So yep, like for the other managers, the less we say about him, the better. He will be a footnote in our history together with our other managers post-SAF, as a mediocre manager (relatively speaking) who failed here, despite spending a fortune in the process.
 
If De Zebri is available, I'd sack Ten Hag.
Otherwise keep him.
I think he's finding it hard to adjust to PL.
Managing Ajax in Dutch League is easy in comparison.

Oh come on now,
De Zerbi has an amazing setup at Brighton behind him.
Their scouting is second to none,
and while they aspire to be a top 6 club,

there's hardly any pressure over there.

He will fail miserably trying to make United competitive again,
as would any other manager at the moment.

Managing United- with the pressure, the expectations of fans, the crap owners, the mentality of a lot of players, the drama- is one of the most challenging jobs in world football currently.

The vast majority of managers in the calibre we'll be looking at, will avoid us, and rightly so.
 
Keep 100%

Get rid of the selfish/not good enough players and give him a team.
 
Man United's away form against decent teams (top 12) is no better than midtable standard, and that's three two-goal defeats already against CL/EL/Conference teams like Brighton, Spurs and Arsenal.

As an outsider looking in , I can't see him lasting too long.

If the home form goes, so does he.
 
Another mediocre manager who wasted almost half a billion to play mediocre football and keep the losing mentality on.
 
Sounds hyperbolic after todays game but the Brighton manager will be in demand at any big vacancy coming up in the next 12 months. He’s took over a side that’s sold it’s best players yet somehow they’ve got better. He plays a good brand of football with the likes of Lallana, Welbeck and Gilmour all being regular starters.

Most impressive manager in the league outside of Pep/Klopp for me.

De Zerbi will fail catastrophically here, same as Potter at Chelsea. And he'd also be mad to take the job if he values his career, again same as Potter. If I were him, I'd stick around at Brighton until City, Newcastle, or Liverpool become available.
 
Keep. We need to give SOMEONE time. I like his attitude, "I'm the boss" I liked him getting rid of Ronaldo, I like what he is doing with Sancho because we can all see what Sancho is like at least on the pitch. I'd like to see what a full "EtH 11" can actually do. His record compares well Vs first few seasons of klopp and guardiola. Let's just get an actual style of play down and go from there. BUT...there's only so many thrashings away from home we can take!

Keep
 
They sold about most of the players in their squad. We didn't. If we sold that many players we would spend as much maybe even more.

Yes, it's almost as if Chelsea actually had a decent squad with players people wanted to buy and United didn't! Incredible how that works!
 
Keep. Unlike Ole, he has the credentials, we know he's someone worth giving time to. Although to be honest I am starting to have doubts he will be the one to take us to the next level. He hasn't done it at the very top level yet after all. But just keeping him "no matter what happens" would be stupid too. The owners are terrible but he has spent a lot of money and we're not playing any better. It has to be partly on him too. Plenty of teams with worse players than ours outperforming us. This season being struggle for 4th but the season after supposedly being our year is just cope at this point.
 
I was always defending English setup inside clubs where managers (some more, some less) are building squads. More and more i am inclined to setup which is around Europe where manager is the coach. Dof is building the squad (not someone like Murtough of course :lol: ) and coach is working with that.
This extreme what we did with ETH is completely wrong approach.
Do English clubs even take that approach anymore? Chelsea right after the takeover is the only example I can think of.
 
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