I think his point was more that you can be good without a striker rather than we had top strikers. He actually later clarified it by saying that City won EPL without a striker (which is a true considering that their only striker Gabriel Jesus was injured most of the season) and that Brighton is playing good with Welbeck up front.
He's press resistance but is not that type of players.
I only watched him at World Cup so I'm pretty much clueless but still doubt it.
We had no striker because he splashed 90m on Antony and 80m on Casemiro. Not like the club didn't offer him enough money to sign one. He's the one who chose Antony to be his offensive signing and eat most of the budget for his sake.
That's the issue when discussing transfers anyway. It's not the club's fault. There's plenty of money but Ten Hag has wasted most of it.
I'm not complaining, I'm making a point that there are numerous sides in the PL, many of whom are less well-resourced, who appear to be able to play front foot, attacking football for the most part.
Brighton highlight a point. They have a defined system, similar (but not the same) under Potter and De Zerbi which is good to watch and gives teams problems. They can lose players and simply slot others in, often not as experienced/talented as the ones they're replacing, straight in. Meanwhile, a year down the line, despite having players of the quality of Casemiro, Eriksen and Fernandes, they're all unable to get to grips with whatever tactics Ten Hag wants to employ? Either the players don't fit the tactics, or they don't get what they're being asked to do.
Onana looks great in possession. The problem is he has five touches and since the midfield can't progress it, it ends up back at his feet and he then boots it long towards Rashford on the left, just like De Gea was.
You might think you can see significant improvement. Good for you, but I don't see it. We were poor at the end of last season and it's continued into this. The Wolves game is one of the worst I've seen in years. Midfield is an obvious problem and it's been that way for years. Maybe Amrabat changes that to a degree and if so we've dodged a massive bullet given how late we left it, totally relaint on him pushing it trhough because we'd blown most of the money already.
Yeah everyone said that to me about Arteta too. They might struggle with the amount of games, doesn't mean anything in terms of style of play. They don't spend like we do and don't have as deep a squad. Add £500m worth of players to Brighton and they'd be a force in my opinion.
We had Ronaldo, Martial and Weghorst.
Besides, does that matter? Brighton are playing teams off the park with Welbeck, before that they had fecking Maupay. City won the league with no CF.
Liverpool losses hurt less honestly. Especially if you’re a 90s kid. I fecking loathe them and their irritating af fan base. Such clueless goons.God, I hate losing to arsenal. It really messes with my spirit.
Sacking him means paying him off, getting a new guy in and buying his players, i dont think thats on the cards under the glazers nowThe one thing he won't be given is time. In fact, as with all his predecessors, if he fails to get in the CL this season I can see a situation where they give him the sack and get Poch in (who will have already been sacked by Boehly).
We had Martial and Ronaldo?
Agree with this. All feels a little unnecessary. The Mount thing is genuinely insane though and I think it could cost him big time.I don't really buy the no improvement/no tactics argument because I think it's very obvious when you watch us okay that a lot has changed from under Ole.
I am concerned with Ten Hag this season though. He built up some stock last season but he isn't a Klopp or a Pep where players will respect him no matter what.
He's tried to force the players into a dumb system, tried to pretend Mount is a CM, doesnt pick and then calls out a player to the media for apparently not reaching his standards, but signs and picks a 35 year old who obviously can't meet any standards required for a top 4 side.
Based on last season I would still think he can identify and fix the issues from our opening games, but he's playing with fire pulling so much random guff that seems to make little sense in such a short space of time. If the players start to doubt him or think he's applying double stabdards or making it more dofficult for them, he will have issues...and if I was one of our players I think I'd be a bit bemused what he's up to atm.
We need to see Amad and Pellistri at RW first.I mean in terms of looking like a footballing team we're probably the best since SAF left. He says the right things and is clearly smart.
The only problem is recruitment. He badly needs help with it. We need a proper RW next summer. Hopefully Hojlund and Amrabat are good. No idea why we spent so much on Mount. We'll probably need a DM cover and/or a ball playing CM and another CB. Get all that and we could be good. The problem is the club structure is basically let the manager sign whomever he wants, which doesn't work in the modern era.
Very few fans are calling for him to be sacked now but I cannot see much progress being done since April, how we lost the FA cup final, preseason and our first 4 games. I expected us to build on our 3rd place last season but all I see is a disjointed team not excelling at anything. ETH will be sacked if this continues at least come May, maybe even sooner. I saw an agening Casemiro in April and was stunned that ETH thought that Mount was the player our midfield needed. Interesting times ahead and a victory against Brighton will lift the mood.Jesus wept people on here wanting ETH out. Gotta be opposition supporters on the wind up. I think this window he got it wrong with Mount. But in all fairness ETH has been a breath of fresh air. But let’s sack him and start all over again. It’s laughable.
Two upsides to Poch would be (a) more overt emphasis upon aggressive, forward-looking play ( and yes, i know chelsea haven't pulled up trees so far this season; its the approach rather than whether the players pull it off), including team selection around physical profile and technical strengths (so Mount would be substituting for Bruno or wide forward rather than 8; midfield in general would be 'stronger'); and (b) more willingness to defer to transfer committee. Again, I'm not saying their decisions would be great either, but we have to get away from the manager-centred transfer philosophy that produces disjointed squads and favourites. I know Poch in latter days of Tottenham tried to get more transfer power, so it would be up to the SD to assert authority.That will be a stupid decision from us, well, typical United.
Yep the recruitment has been abysmal and Arnold needs to pull the finger out of his behind and get ETH and Murtough to sit down in his office to establish a proper procedure re signings and properly build the scouting unit until it meets the required standard. Murtough failed badly when he allowed ETH to take the lead on signings, he might have to walk and ETH, if he survives what's coming, will need to swallow his pride and work with the recruitment team.I mean in terms of looking like a footballing team we're probably the best since SAF left. He says the right things and is clearly smart.
The only problem is recruitment. He badly needs help with it. We need a proper RW next summer. Hopefully Hojlund and Amrabat are good. No idea why we spent so much on Mount. We'll probably need a DM cover and/or a ball playing CM and another CB. Get all that and we could be good. The problem is the club structure is basically let the manager sign whomever he wants, which doesn't work in the modern era.
For example based on players that were sold in the last two transfer windows, we could be lining up something like this:
Rashford - Hojlund - Ousman Dembele
Szoboszlai - Bruno
Bissouma
For less than what we spent on Mount, Antony and Casemiro (and I'm a big Cas fan it's just he has a lot of mileage already). That team would be a threat to any team in the world. If we can sort recruitment out we can get up there like Arsenal have.
Agree with this. All feels a little unnecessary. The Mount thing is genuinely insane though and I think it could cost him big time.
I'm not complaining, I'm making a point that there are numerous sides in the PL, many of whom are less well-resourced, who appear to be able to play front foot, attacking football for the most part.
Brighton highlight a point. They have a defined system, similar (but not the same) under Potter and De Zerbi which is good to watch and gives teams problems. They can lose players and simply slot others in, often not as experienced/talented as the ones they're replacing, straight in. Meanwhile, a year down the line, despite having players of the quality of Casemiro, Eriksen and Fernandes, they're all unable to get to grips with whatever tactics Ten Hag wants to employ? Either the players don't fit the tactics, or they don't get what they're being asked to do.
Onana looks great in possession. The problem is he has five touches and since the midfield can't progress it, it ends up back at his feet and he then boots it long towards Rashford on the left, just like De Gea was.
You might think you can see significant improvement. Good for you, but I don't see it. We were poor at the end of last season and it's continued into this. The Wolves game is one of the worst I've seen in years. Midfield is an obvious problem and it's been that way for years. Maybe Amrabat changes that to a degree and if so we've dodged a massive bullet given how late we left it, totally relaint on him pushing it trhough because we'd blown most of the money already.
I watched the game but clearly not the same game as you.Of course we are improving, maybe if you actually watched the game and not just numbers would have helped.
I meant look at how the team plays football, not the fecking stats.
Martial startyed because starting Hoijlund would have been unfair on the player, there's plenty of cover for SanchoSeems curious that Sancho was left out because of his attitude yet Martial started…
I am not a fan of Sancho at all but I am confused with Ten Hag’s observation.
The one thing he won't be given is time. In fact, as with all his predecessors, if he fails to get in the CL this season I can see a situation where they give him the sack and get Poch in (who will have already been sacked by Boehly).
Maybe it does, and evidently signing Onana is a big step, but it then makes you wonder what the plan was last year if he needed such a different player in goal to make his system work? Why persist with De Gea who patently can't do that?
I admire your optimism and perhaps I'm unduly pessimistic, but we've had a number of managers who have come in and torn up what the old manager did, signed tens of millions of pounds worth of players who weren't good enough, failed, and then the next manager has the problem of what to do with them all while wanting another 7 or 8 of his own. He fails, then it's rinse and repeat. That is evidently, in part, a problem caused by the structure of the footballing side of the club, but it's heading worryingly towards a point where we're being asked to trust what the new man is doing without really seeing a significant improvement over a year down the line.
Time will tell I suppose.
I watched the game but clearly not the same game as you.
if you maintain we’re improving, tell me how and where. Then tell me again that results don’t matter.
But the stats are a reflection of how well the team plays football. You get no points for playing brilliant football and losing
I’m curious where you get all your inside info from to determine your confusion with Ten Hags observation.Seems curious that Sancho was left out because of his attitude yet Martial started…
I am not a fan of Sancho at all but I am confused with Ten Hag’s observation.
Facepalm. Shaw played regularly last season. Martinez has had one injury, broken metstarsal, that's not on anyone. Varane history of injuries predate ETH.
Zero. We were forced to play with two midfielders that you wouldn’t put down winning duals and defending as a strength. A fast paced chaotic game would have ended in the way the ones moaning about the slow pace assumed it would, but are now moaning anyway.When we were playing the 800 passes to and from our goal keeper and fullbacks, how many times did you yelp or swear with a moments panick ?
Based on my reactions, heart rate and blood pressure we are not ready for this style of football.
I like Ten Hag, but we play some god awful stuff. Look at how quickly Ange got Spurs playing.
Nah no chance we get rid of him to hire a manager that’s just been fired by Chelsea, if that’s the case then. The lack of managerial talent out there may be his saving grace if things go south for the rest of season, we may persist with him for the simple reason there don’t seem to be any obvious available choices out there. Nagelsmann’s stock has nosedived after his Bayern spell, otherwise he’d have probably been the obvious choice.The one thing he won't be given is time. In fact, as with all his predecessors, if he fails to get in the CL this season I can see a situation where they give him the sack and get Poch in (who will have already been sacked by Boehly).
It's always "should have" with us. Should've won this, should've scored that. Could say we should've lost to Wolves too if we want to go down that road. It's nonsense spouted by people who blindly want to defend their view. Fact is we weren't up 2-0 against Spurs, because our attack is terrible and we play awful football at least 45 minutes every match. It's there for all to seeAgainst who? We’re the only decent team they played and they should have been down 2-0 at halftime. What followed was a mental collapse on our part.
Nah no chance we get rid of him to hire a manager that’s just been fired by Chelsea, if that’s the case then. The lack of managerial talent out there may be his saving grace if things go south for the rest of season, we may persist with him for the simple reason there don’t seem to be any obvious available choices out there. Nagelsmann’s stock has nosedived after his Bayern spell, otherwise he’d have probably been the obvious choice.
To be fair, Ancelotti is (likely) gonna be free in the summer. Zidane is also jobless. Spalletti and Inzaghi could be interesting choices too, Nagelsmann as you mentioned, De Zerbi can show that he is not an one year wonder, same for Howe. We can get Emery to win us the Europa, providing we finish 6th or 7th this seasonNah no chance we get rid of him to hire a manager that’s just been fired by Chelsea, if that’s the case then. The lack of managerial talent out there may be his saving grace if things go south for the rest of season, we may persist with him for the simple reason there don’t seem to be any obvious available choices out there. Nagelsmann’s stock has nosedived after his Bayern spell, otherwise he’d have probably been the obvious choice.