He joined in October 2015, and managed them for almost the entire 15-16 season. So while second "full" season may be technically correct, in reality it was his third season working with and developing that group of players when he reached the CL final, despite only finishing 4th in the league. It was in his 4th season that everything finally fell into place and he challenged while winning the CL.
Ok mate. Without wanting to go in any discussion we barley went without letting one in against Wolves and we let in 7 in 3 games after that. We were 0 2 down in no time against Forest and conceded an exualiser within 40 seconds yesterday. Hardly the fault of Rashford/Antony/Martial. And this is not my opinion but a fact.sorry man, I beg to differ, I thought our defense is good. Our forwards are our worst part of the pitch. Since he came in, he had change the goalkeeper, 1 centre back, 1 left back. He settled on his centre back pair, and had Shaw playing well consistently.
Out of curiosity, what makes him factually the best manager we've had since Ferguson?Y'all are absolutely ridiculous.
EtH is the best manager we have had since Fergie left. Is he the RIGHT manager to get us back to the very top? Only time will tell. This is a project - we have a lot of young players, and need at least one more summer to get the squad into an acceptable state.
Y'all are absolutely ridiculous.
EtH is the best manager we have had since Fergie left. Is he the RIGHT manager to get us back to the very top? Only time will tell. This is a project - we have a lot of young players, and need at least one more summer to get the squad into an acceptable state.
Agree with this. The thing is, clubs will always hold us to ransom because we are Man United. So whether you go for a winger from Ajax in Antony, or a winger from Italy/Germany/France, we will be paying close to the 100m mark. I don't really blame ETH - he was asked his opinion so he will obviously pick a player he knows or trusts. His job has been to manage and coach players, he doesn't have the same time or skill as professional scouts when it comes to identifying talent.No problem with him as manager, what I do have a problem with is our DoF seemingly unable to identify players without Ten Hag.
Marc Overmars was the talent finder at Ajax, Ajax fans said as much when we signed Ten Hag, he's a poor judge of talent and it's been evident in his year here so far.
Murtough needs to get his head from out of Ten Hags rectum and start doing his job properly, maybe using scouts would help.
This place is going to be really toxic during the international break
I would have revised the title of the thread to “Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager - Sack Watch”
He’s walking a bit of a tightrope at the moment. The performances and results need to massively improve. If not then he could be under a lot of pressure come Christmas time.
That's a stunningly low bar and shows what we've come to.
I'm fine with this being a rebuilding project. I'm used to it now. In fact, at the moment, I don't even care about getting back to the *very* top. I'd be delighted to finish within 5 points of City for a couple of seasons. Just please give them an actual scare in the title race in the latter part of the season.
And what does "at least" one more summer mean? Is it one? Or are you okay with five?
I don't know, man. Sounds like mental gymnastics to preemptively squeeze out another year of justification for ETH not making meaningful progress on the pitch.
Plus I saw a lot of "xth full season" disclaimers bandied about on here when Ole was around. Seemed reasonable to say it like that, given that a manager needs to have an actual transfer window to put together any of the "building blocks" as you say.
Transfer windows are not the only thing that goes into building a club's culture. Training, tactics, mindset - if ETH had an additional 10 months to get these things in place (not far off double the time he's had), I'd expect more progress. Its totally fair to say that not being able to buy players impacted Klopp, which is why no-one reads too much into only finishing 6th in his first season. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't developing that team.
Worth remembering too that in that third season where Liverpool lost in the CL final (17-18), they started out with just 3 wins from their first 9 league games and were sat in 9th place in late October. The path doesn't always run smoothly.
What is the clear vision? I am genuinely lost and dont see it. If we dont to dominate possession we dont seem to have the players. Its fine to focus on transitions, City and Liverpool do that well, but they can also keep the ball and hurt teams with patient build ups. Yes our recruitment strategy is poor but many journalists are flagging our bizarre and unprecedented reliance on the manger to drive signings and in turn for him to be narrowly focused on players from Dutch league. That to me is most concerning and why I fear he is goign to fail. And yet again we will end up with a lot of overpriced, overpaid dead wood. Would love to be proved wrong but not seeing it.Great first season, wins a tropy, qualifies for Europe. Looks the answer to our managerial search. Quesntionable second window and poor start, earl signs of problems with certain players.......sound familiar as this is pretty much the same story with both Mourinho and Ole and we know how those two second seasons ended.
See a turning of tide and a few already starting to roundo Ten Hag. Have to confess I knew very little about him before he arrived but all the internet tactical and stat quoting modern football analysis experts on here seemed to rave about him and he goa lauded and super hyped after a first season that was good but not really different to the former twos first seasons.....also both finished higher and both also in a season where big clubs like CHelsea and Liverpool had stinkers of seasons.
Persoanlly I am still hopeful of Ten Hag, but also not fully convinced. I think he has done well so far but got far too much credit this early on. I havent yet seen tactical genius and personally also not impressed by the recruitment which I think will see a fair few players added to the out list with a season or two, think there are only two top top signings he has made so far.
He has definately made mistakes and I dont like the public criticising of Sancho.
What I have been impressed with is the clear vision, belief in what he is doing and single minded approach and control of the side....not the tactical side. But we have seen that can all come crashing down quite quickly, a fair few toxic players have moved on but there are still a few who have let down previous managers here.
It is a huge season for Ten Hag and I feel the recruitment has been far from ideal to enable him progression this season and part of that for me is down to the choices he has made within it, a season finishing in the top four is definately success this season, not sure its one of progression though and not at all confident we achieve it, really think he could be in trouble by the end of it
Has no clue what it takes to win in this league.
While Jose was a bit OTT he always had a team with the necessary height to not only defend set pieces and aerial balls but to attack them and score from them too. Even Pep knows this despite all the technical players his City team have been strong in both boxes. Liverpool have also dominated in this area in recent years
Look at the starting lineup yesterday, other than Dalot and Casemiro that was a joke of a team aerially. Once Varane is out, I honestly feel like we can concede anytime a good ball is put in our box.
It’s so bad especially in midfield. If Casemiro is out and we have to play Amrabat Mount and Eriksen we will be in serious trouble with aerial balls. I suppose signing Hojlund helps as he’s a big lad but that’s not enough.
This feeds into the physicality of the team. Being good on the ball is all well and good but strength and pace are absolutely needed to win the PL and EtH has no clue about this it seems. Just look at City’s signings this summer, Gvardiol, Nunes, Kovacic and Doku, that is a team and manager who understands the physical demands of this league.
Ten hag’s signings for the most part have been physically unimpressive just like our team.
Ah, right. performances are more important than results. I get it now. That’s like saying the Titanic had a good orchestra. Come into the real world - you don’t get points for performances or “could have”.I think if you focused on the performances you'd be able to answer the question yourself and not ask stupid questions.
Yesterday was a good performance and we almost nabbed all 3 points with Maguire + Evans at CB. First half to Spurs we should have been 2 or 3 up. I'm not going to blame Ten Hag for our players being unable to put away simple chances or for big injuries.
Ok I looked with my own eyes. 1 point from 30, it didn’t change.Try to look by your own eyes for once will you?
Thing is that United have for the first time got into a situation where there isnt an easy solution if this doesn’t work out. We are past the stage of having insane money to give to a new manager for a rebuild. If ETH fails then we are actually fecked for a while. The good thing is that I think that he is heading in the right direction for me and with everyone fit we should be competing for Europe. We are nowhere near a title challenge though but I don’t think that the club expects that either at this stage.
Fixed!This place is going to be really toxic this season
Yep. It's a team that is so obviously easily bullied, the weakest physically in the league. We can get away with it with it when teams stand of us a bit at home but it's a big part of why EVERY away game is a huge struggle for us.Has no clue what it takes to win in this league.
While Jose was a bit OTT he always had a team with the necessary height to not only defend set pieces and aerial balls but to attack them and score from them too. Even Pep knows this despite all the technical players his City team have been strong in both boxes. Liverpool have also dominated in this area in recent years
Look at the starting lineup yesterday, other than Dalot and Casemiro that was a joke of a team aerially. Once Varane is out, I honestly feel like we can concede anytime a good ball is put in our box.
It’s so bad especially in midfield. If Casemiro is out and we have to play Amrabat Mount and Eriksen we will be in serious trouble with aerial balls. I suppose signing Hojlund helps as he’s a big lad but that’s not enough.
This feeds into the physicality of the team. Being good on the ball is all well and good but strength and pace are absolutely needed to win the PL and EtH has no clue about this it seems. Just look at City’s signings this summer, Gvardiol, Nunes, Kovacic and Doku, that is a team and manager who understands the physical demands of this league.
Ten hag’s signings for the most part have been physically unimpressive just like our team.
At this early in the season yes. We are doing OK calm yourself.Ah, right. performances are more important than results. I get it now. That’s like saying the Titanic had a good orchestra. Come into the real world - you don’t get points for performances or “could have”.
Struggled to beat Wolves at home. Struggled to beat Forest at home. Lost 2-0 away to Spurs. Lost 3-1 away to Arsenal.At this early in the season yes. We are doing OK calm yourself.
Ah, right. performances are more important than results. I get it now. That’s like saying the Titanic had a good orchestra. Come into the real world - you don’t get points for performances or “could have”.
We completely dominated Forrest from 5-85 mins and we should have been a couple up vs Spurs. We played a good game at the Emirates yesterday too.Struggled to beat Wolves at home. Struggled to beat Forest at home. Lost 2-0 away to Spurs. Lost 3-1 away to Arsenal.
And you call that “ok”? I’d hate to see what it would look like if we weren’t “ok”.
It’s crazy isn’t it, if you go back to the team Ole had in his final season and how it’s changed.Yeah if you go and make the team small at least try to balance it out with a keeper who is dominant in the box. There has to be recognition that we have made the team small. I think it's part of the reason why he has held on to McTominay.
No problem with him as manager, what I do have a problem with is our DoF seemingly unable to identify players without Ten Hag.
Marc Overmars was the talent finder at Ajax, Ajax fans said as much when we signed Ten Hag, he's a poor judge of talent and it's been evident in his year here so far.
Murtough needs to get his head from out of Ten Hags rectum and start doing his job properly, maybe using scouts would help.
The club might not. But online cry baby fans do.
I agree with the rest, this takes time, it's a 2-3 year building process at least to raise the squad depth and raise the technical levels in the squad to the required standard.
People look at the likes of Spurs and Wolves think the manager is doing a great job, look how much he's done in such a short space of time, much better than ETH. But both could have a few bad games and be gone by January.
I think this is all being blown out of proportion but its not exactly surprising given the club and its fanbase
By Christmas we'll be comfortably beating most sides and comfortable in the league, however it will be obvious we are behind Arsenal, City and likely Liverpool as expected after the summer.
No problem with him as manager, what I do have a problem with is our DoF seemingly unable to identify players without Ten Hag.
Marc Overmars was the talent finder at Ajax, Ajax fans said as much when we signed Ten Hag, he's a poor judge of talent and it's been evident in his year here so far.
Murtough needs to get his head from out of Ten Hags rectum and start doing his job properly, maybe using scouts would help.
