Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Mickeza said:
Why? What advantage does ETH have over Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Liverpool that he should be expected to finish higher than all of them? Does he have better players? The best squad? More money to spend? Better recruitment structure? Better sporting environment? We did have more money than everyone but City. We spent the inheritance building a team that finished 6th full to the brim of players not good enough on such high wages we can’t sell them. Those days are now gone. The reality is finishing 3rd this season would be a very good job from him as it was last year.
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We have vastly more resources than anyone else in the league bar those first 3 names and we lose to everyone in the top half away from home.

There are issues in the club and it’s structure, but that doesn’t mean we can blatantly ignore proper issues in terms of the coaching.

The level of fitness to start the season, for the second season running, is completely unacceptable and needs to be addressed.

The away record in the league is completely unacceptable and needs to be addressed.

The coaching issues are stacking up and he has now signed a number of his own players for a lot of money and wages. He needs to answer those questions quickly. He doesn’t get off the hook just because a few teams in the league have greater resources. He has questions of his coaching that need to be answered.
 
Give him time, Rome wasn't built in a day. Sometimes you have to go two steps back to take a step forward.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
We missed Varane massively today. Lindelof wasn't at it.
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As I said in the transfer thread we were one injury away from playing maguire or evans. Low and behold we get two injuries to CBS today. The lack of foresight is a fecking disgrace. We deserve to go to Munich and get pummelled with Maguire/evans starting. It was foreseeable whilst the window was open.

pathetic performance today. Arsenal are not Man City of now or Real Madrid of old yet we treated them as such whilst ranking ourselves as Sheffield United. Disgraceful performance and if we had won it would have been the ultimate smash and grab.
 
hobbers said:
Thinks Martial had 'a very good performance'....

Probably serious as well. What the feck is wrong with everyone at that club.
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yeah like a manager will come out and say my striker sucks balls
Has any non insane manager ever done that?
Some people get wound up about such trivial things fecking ridiculous
 
Suv666 said:
yeah like a manager will come out and say my striker sucks balls
Has any non insane manager ever done that?
Some people get wound up about such trivial things fecking ridiculous
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He literally criticized Sancho in the same press conference.
 
MUFC OK said:
As I said in the transfer thread we were one injury away from playing maguire or evans. Low and behold we get two injuries to CBS today. The lack of foresight is a fecking disgrace. We deserve to go to Munich and get pummelled with Maguire/evans starting. It was foreseeable whilst the window was open.

pathetic performance today. Arsenal are not Man City of now or Real Madrid of old yet we treated them as such whilst ranking ourselves as Sheffield United. Disgraceful performance and if we had won it would have been the ultimate smash and grab.
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How is it a lack of foresight to have weak fifth and sixth-choice centre half options? We were one injury away from playing Maguire or Evans because we already had two injuries, and then we got another two injuries today. Who, apart from City, can legislate for that?

Do you really think it's realistic to have six central defenders, all worth >£50m and all being happy to play the squad game in a team that usually plays two centre halves? We even tried to replace one of the guys over the summer and he refused to leave the club without getting a massive payoff which would've taken away the funds needed for his replacement.
 
el3mel said:
He literally criticized Sancho in the same press conference.
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yea that’s because he has attitude problems and can’t be arsed that’s a different thing than stabbing your striker in public because he had a shite game
 
On the never ending moaning about transfers, the day Ole was let go, we knew about half the squad was either on their way out or not good enough.

There's absolutely no way that a. all of these players could be replaced even in three transfer windows (even if we could buy anyone in the winter window) and b. integrating so many new players into the squad wouldn't come with some bumps. That is not how it works in real life. Yes, a lot of money has been spent in a short period, but WTF did people expect when Pogba, Matic, Fred, Maguire, Telles, VDB, Bailley, de Gea, McTominay, and Martial all needed replacing. So we wanted a squad overhaul of that magnitude, we want immediate results, and we want to whine about money spent a season and 4 matches in, when season went very well all things considered. Get a fecking grip on reality people.
 
el3mel said:
This kind of mentality is why United will never become a top club again. It's the same mentality the board have anyway so United haven't taken a single step forward since Ferguson retired. Let's be content with barely finishing top 4 regularly because we're surrounded with other top clubs. Great way of thinking.
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How does sacking manager every other season a solution especially with the ownership and recruitment we have. Who do you propose to take over now?
 
el3mel said:
This kind of mentality is why United will never become a top club again. It's the same mentality the board have anyway so United haven't taken a single step forward since Ferguson retired. Let's be content with barely finishing top 4 regularly because we're surrounded with other top clubs. Great way of thinking.
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No. Absolute weapon of a post. Until the structure at the top and the ownership model actually have the ambition and resources to win things whoever the manager is will need to perform an incredible job to win the league. That’s the simple reality. He inherited an average squad that was miles off the teams ahead of us and hasn’t been given significant amounts more than those teams despite the narrative.

ETH took over a team that finished 6th - it was:

11 points behind Arsenal
13 points behind Tottenham
16 points behind Chelsea
34 points behind Liverpool
35 points behind Manchester City

Pogba, Matic, Mata and Greenwood also got removed from that squad for various reasons for free. De Gea and Ronaldo have also since left for free.

So to close that deficit he has spent £380m. Sounds like feck loads doesn’t it? What a failure he is not having us ready to compete 13 months later. Except those 5 teams have also spent:

Arsenal - £370m (he’s had a whopping 10m more to close an 11 point gap)
Spurs - £280m (had a fair bit more here - then again there was a 38 point swing last year so…)
Liverpool - £265m (100m more - but just the 42 point swing last year)
Manchester City - £340m plus whatever bonuses they gave to Haaland senior (whopping 40m more to close that 35 point gap)
Chelsea - 1bn…maybe now you get the idea…

The issue is half you people have the memory of a goldfish and ignore context. Like today - when we’re missing 5 defenders away at the emirates, have no senior midfielders on the bench and have martial as our starting striker…in that context today was a good performance. Finishing 3rd last year in the context of where we were and what needed doing was a fantastic effort. It would also be this season.
 
Maluco said:
We have vastly more resources than anyone else in the league bar those first 3 names and we lose to everyone in the top half away from home.

There are issues in the club and it’s structure, but that doesn’t mean we can blatantly ignore proper issues in terms of the coaching.

The level of fitness to start the season, for the second season running, is completely unacceptable and needs to be addressed.

The away record in the league is completely unacceptable and needs to be addressed.

The coaching issues are stacking up and he has now signed a number of his own players for a lot of money and wages. He needs to answer those questions quickly. He doesn’t get off the hook just because a few teams in the league have greater resources. He has questions of his coaching that need to be answered.
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First of all, our resources mean nothing when they don't go into the squad. Yes, I know money spent and all that. How else do you propose to go about completely rebuilding a squad and replacing a plethora of sub par players? If you're completely ignoring last season in terms of improvement and coaching, what are you even doing in this thread? You're blatantly ignoring all the positives are you not?
 
After conceding so late, it was irritating but looking back at the game, it feels like we were okay considering our injury list. We have lost our entire back line and had 3-4 teenagers on the bench.

Think will pickup again like we did last season.
 
Mickeza said:
No. Absolute weapon of a post. Until the structure at the top and the ownership model actually have the ambition and resources to win things whoever the manager is will need to perform an incredible job to win the league. That’s the simple reality. He inherited an average squad that was miles off the teams ahead of us and hasn’t been given significant amounts more than those teams despite the narrative.

ETH took over a team that finished 6th - it was:

11 points behind Arsenal
13 points behind Tottenham
16 points behind Chelsea
34 points behind Liverpool
35 points behind Manchester City

Pogba, Matic, Mata and Greenwood also got removed from that squad for various reasons for free. De Gea and Ronaldo have also since left for free.

So to close that deficit he has spent £380m. Sounds like feck loads doesn’t it? What a failure he is not having us ready to compete 13 months later. Except those 5 teams have also spent:

Arsenal - £370m (he’s had a whopping 10m more to close an 11 point gap)
Spurs - £280m (had a fair bit more here - then again there was a 38 point swing last year so…)
Liverpool - £265m (100m more - but just the 42 point swing last year)
Manchester City - £340m plus whatever bonuses they gave to Haaland senior (whopping 40m more to close that 35 point gap)
Chelsea - 1bn…maybe now you get the idea…

The issue is half you people have the memory of a goldfish and ignore context. Like today - when we’re missing 5 defenders away at the emirates, have no senior midfielders on the bench and have martial as our starting striker…in that context today was a good performance. Finishing 3rd last year in the context of where we were and what needed doing was a fantastic effort. It would also be this season.
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This deserves an applause gif. The lack of understanding of what it takes to completely rebuild a squad is staggering, especially when they just completely ignore all the positive steps taken, and the rebuild is far from complete. Moaning about money spent in this scenario is just the peak of ignorance and lack of perspective.
 
Mickeza said:
No. Absolute weapon of a post. Until the structure at the top and the ownership model actually have the ambition and resources to win things whoever the manager is will need to perform an incredible job to win the league. That’s the simple reality. He inherited an average squad that was miles off the teams ahead of us and hasn’t been given significant amounts more than those teams despite the narrative.

ETH took over a team that finished 6th - it was:

11 points behind Arsenal
13 points behind Tottenham
16 points behind Chelsea
34 points behind Liverpool
35 points behind Manchester City

Pogba, Matic, Mata and Greenwood also got removed from that squad for various reasons for free. De Gea and Ronaldo have also since left for free.

So to close that deficit he has spent £380m. Sounds like feck loads doesn’t it? What a failure he is not having us ready to compete 13 months later. Except those 5 teams have also spent:

Arsenal - £370m (he’s had a whopping 10m more to close an 11 point gap)
Spurs - £280m (had a fair bit more here - then again there was a 38 point swing last year so…)
Liverpool - £265m (100m more - but just the 42 point swing last year)
Manchester City - £340m plus whatever bonuses they gave to Haaland senior (whopping 40m more to close that 35 point gap)
Chelsea - 1bn…maybe now you get the idea…

The issue is half you people have the memory of a goldfish and ignore context. Like today - when we’re missing 5 defenders away at the emirates, have no senior midfielders on the bench and have martial as our starting striker…in that context today was a good performance. Finishing 3rd last year in the context of where we were and what needed doing was a fantastic effort. It would also be this season.
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Well put. The same fan would want the new manager gone after his first bad performance. But will not say a word against recruitment and glazers being there.
 
MUFC OK said:
As I said in the transfer thread we were one injury away from playing maguire or evans. Low and behold we get two injuries to CBS today. The lack of foresight is a fecking disgrace. We deserve to go to Munich and get pummelled with Maguire/evans starting. It was foreseeable whilst the window was open.

pathetic performance today. Arsenal are not Man City of now or Real Madrid of old yet we treated them as such whilst ranking ourselves as Sheffield United. Disgraceful performance and if we had won it would have been the ultimate smash and grab.
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Played liked cowards for sure
 
While defence is a worry we have Amrabat to help out in midfield and Hojlund will be a very good focal point for the team.

It's possible a more consistent style can emerge so we can play a bit better, this will in turn help our fitness and control towards the end, avoiding get caught and injured. You make your own luck and we often don't have enough cohesion as a team and are too often on a knife edge closing out games home or away.

As a club we have to get much smarter in the transfer market.
 
AshRK said:
Well put. The same fan would want the new manager gone after his first bad performance. But will not say a word against recruitment and glazers being there.
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We're a season and 4 matches in. Antony needs to keep getting better, but the rest of the recruitment hasn't been bad and there have only been two summer windows.
 
el3mel said:
Sancho sucks and deserves to leave, but what about his 90m wonder boy Antony who stinks the place every game and yet never be blamed or dropped from starting line up ?
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We obviously did overpay for Antony and we obviously make a huge mistake allowing ETH to freely chose transfer targets (from his former players) without any structure to have authority over him, but Antony was the least of our issues today and finally put a good defensive shift.
 
I hate this thread, the moaners can't wait to jump in if we dont get a result. The same lot would have sacked SAF after 2 years 100 and The same posters will never be happy no matter who the manager is and should we dare loose a game.

I am right behind ETH, give him time, the same time afforded to Klopp, Arteta …..and Sir Alex who got 4 years and took 4 years ..
 
Mickeza said:
No. Absolute weapon of a post. Until the structure at the top and the ownership model actually have the ambition and resources to win things whoever the manager is will need to perform an incredible job to win the league. That’s the simple reality. He inherited an average squad that was miles off the teams ahead of us and hasn’t been given significant amounts more than those teams despite the narrative.

ETH took over a team that finished 6th - it was:

11 points behind Arsenal
13 points behind Tottenham
16 points behind Chelsea
34 points behind Liverpool
35 points behind Manchester City

Pogba, Matic, Mata and Greenwood also got removed from that squad for various reasons for free. De Gea and Ronaldo have also since left for free.

So to close that deficit he has spent £380m. Sounds like feck loads doesn’t it? What a failure he is not having us ready to compete 13 months later. Except those 5 teams have also spent:

Arsenal - £370m (he’s had a whopping 10m more to close an 11 point gap)
Spurs - £280m (had a fair bit more here - then again there was a 38 point swing last year so…)
Liverpool - £265m (100m more - but just the 42 point swing last year)
Manchester City - £340m plus whatever bonuses they gave to Haaland senior (whopping 40m more to close that 35 point gap)
Chelsea - 1bn…maybe now you get the idea…

The issue is half you people have the memory of a goldfish and ignore context. Like today - when we’re missing 5 defenders away at the emirates, have no senior midfielders on the bench and have martial as our starting striker…in that context today was a good performance. Finishing 3rd last year in the context of where we were and what needed doing was a fantastic effort. It would also be this season.
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Are you trying to prove my point? I said the board has the same loser mentality as you.

A board with better and higher ambition won't be content with the manager getting top 4 barely every year while playing shit on stick football. They will sack him.

But since it's the Glazers, they are content with top 4 finish regularly so that's why Ten Hag and other managers keep getting more time than they deserve at the club. Actually, a more ambitious board would have sacked him after the 7-0 loss at Anfield if anything.

Glazers have the same loser mentality as you, top 4 is fine because we are surrounded by other top clubs so we shouldn't be asking for more. That's why United will never become a top club again.

People thinking the managers at United will benefit more of a better and more ambitious board. It's the opposite in fact, Glazers suit them and ironically suit the fans who keep on giving ton of excuses for the manager while considering finishing top 4 and winning a League cup as a successful season for Man United. Glazers gave the managers way more time and money than they deserve. Ten Hag has got a lot of money that he wasted of flops and duds without the Glazers questioning it.

Another board won't give half the time Glazers are giving Ten Hag before him. They will sack him if he doesn't achieve fast success. Keep on convincing yourselves otherwise.
 
el3mel said:
Are you trying to prove my point? I said the board has the same loser mentality as you.

A board with better and higher ambition won't be content with the manager getting top 4 barely every year while playing shit on stick football. They will sack him.

But since it's the Glazers, they are content with top 4 finish regularly so that's why Ten Hag and other managers keep getting more time than they deserve at the club. Actually, a more ambitious board would have sacked him after the 7-0 loss at Anfield if anything.

Glazers have the same loser mentality as you, top 4 is fine because we are surrounded by other top clubs so we shouldn't be asking for more. That's why United will never become a top club again.

People thinking the managers at United will benefit more of a better and more ambitious board. It's the opposite in fact, Glazers suit them and ironically suit the fans who keep on giving ton of excuses for the manager while considering finishing top 4 and winning a League cup as a successful season for Man United. Glazers gave the managers way more time and money than they deserve. Ten Hag has got a lot of money that he wasted of flops and duds without the Glazers questioning it.

Another board won't give half the time Glazers are giving Ten Hag before him. They will sack him if he doesn't achieve fast success. Keep on convincing yourselves otherwise.
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Top post, agree with every word you said. No competent board would allow us being so shit after all this money spent. The 7-0 defeat by itself in isolation, could have been a sackable offense.
 
el3mel said:
Are you trying to prove my point? I said the board has the same loser mentality as you.

A board with better and higher ambition won't be content with the manager getting top 4 barely every year while playing shit on stick football. They will sack him.

But since it's the Glazers, they are content with top 4 finish regularly so that's why Ten Hag and other managers keep getting more time than they deserve at the club. Actually, a more ambitious board would have sacked him after the 7-0 loss at Anfield if anything.

Glazers have the same loser mentality as you, top 4 is fine because we are surrounded by other top clubs so we shouldn't be asking for more. That's why United will never become a top club again.

People thinking the managers at United will benefit more of a better and more ambitious board. It's the opposite in fact, Glazers suit them and ironically suit the fans who keep on giving ton of excuses for the manager while considering finishing top 4 and winning a League cup as a successful season for Man United. Glazers gave the managers way more time and money than they deserve. Ten Hag has got a lot of money that he wasted of flops and duds without the Glazers questioning it.

Another board won't give half the time Glazers are giving Ten Hag before him. They will sack him if he doesn't achieve fast success. Keep on convincing yourselves otherwise.
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So In response to my post which clearly shows how far behind the sides in front us we were when he took over and how he’s been given similar amounts to spend as his rivals you’ve responded with a wall of text saying he’s already been given far too much time and should be sacked after finishing 3rd. What the feck is wrong with you? Like genuinely? Sweet Jesus.
 
AshRK said:
Well you have been advocating for his sack so let us not pretend otherwise.

I asked you a simple question, who do you propose as our new manager.
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I didn't say sack him tomorrow. Meanwhile yes I would want him sacked at the end of the season if we are at the same spot as we were last season, barely scrapping top 4 while playing godawful football.

He hasn't done anything more than the previous managers (they all finished top 4, won domestic cups while playing shit football) for us to pretend he should be treated any different if he ends up with the same results as them.

As for who replaces him, I swear this argument is said every time we say the manager sucks (there's no other one around so let's stick with him). Is that the best argument you can master to keep him in the job, regardless of wanting him to leave now or not?
 
el3mel said:
Sancho sucks and deserves to leave, but what about his 90m wonder boy Antony who stinks the place every game and yet never be blamed or dropped from starting line up ?
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We overpaid, it might not work out and no one is saying his goals and assists are anywhere near the required standard but I doubt very much you'd see Sancho putting in that level of defensive commitment today and he played pretty well overall. Who would you put in place of Antony on the right? Bruno? Who else is going to play there?
 
BluesJr said:
You clearly don’t know ball. Shame.
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Can you honestly say we played well and were brave on the ball? No, we were set up to draw and maybe nick a win. Mourinho levels of cowardice, but because it's Ten Hag he get's a free pass.
 
Mickeza said:
So In response to my post which clearly shows how far behind the sides in front us we were when he took over and how he’s been given similar amounts to spend as his rivals you’ve responded with a wall of text saying he’s already been given far too much time and should be sacked after finishing 3rd. What the feck is wrong with you? Like genuinely? Sweet Jesus.
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This is a loser's mentality. We aren't behind these clubs because they have amazing boards with ton of ambition (bar City, they don't). We are behind them because we are wasting our money on random players who don't fit in the squad and we have no clue how to use them, and this is clearly on the manager who puts the strategy of the club.

The Glazers have given Ten Hag 400m. This is far more than enough to build a team that plays good football and at least can get close to the top 2 spots (not saying to win it to calm you down). Such sum of money is enough to transform the team if spent right and with a clear strategy in mind. However, It was his decision to waste them on Antony, Mount and whatever other shit he signed.

So yes Glazers give him and the previous managers far more money and time that he and the previous managers as well don't / didn't deserve.

Another board wouldn't give him half the time nor the money after wasting such sum on Antony and Mount.
 
If we sack him this year it will be one of the biggest mistakes we could make. Part of the reason we're in the mess we are is b/c we've continuously brought in new managers and saddled them with players from previous regimes who don't match their playing style. It might be a disappointing season, but I am convinced with another transfer window this team will be very good. We need to get rid of Maguire and bring in another top class CB to play when the inevitable injury to Varane happens. We need to add 2 midfielders (one to rotate in for an older Casemiro and the other to replace McTominay), one RW, and a backup striker. They need to give ETH this season at all costs. If he performs poorly next year all bets are off, but I don't think that will happen.
 
Honestly some of the posts on here are insane.

Sir Alex was given more time, he took years to build his vision. Today ETH was a VAR decision away from pulling off a masterstroke of a performance.

He's the first manager I've believed in truly since Sir Alex. He's won a trophy already and he's slowly building his side, he's made a few mistakes but so do all managers to start with.

Judge him on the season not two defeats.
 
How many managers do we need to go through before people realise the problem isn’t actually the manager.
 
The Mitcher said:
Can you honestly say we played well and were brave on the ball? No, we were set up to draw and maybe nick a win. Mourinho levels of cowardice, but because it's Ten Hag he get's a free pass.
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We played well in the game. If you can’t see that then I can’t help you. Was it perfect? No. Was it the ideal? No. We were good though. Robbed of a victory by a wrong angle.
 
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