Oh sorry has Ange done well away to Arsenal? What's he done? Beat Burnley? Congrats bud.
Is that you hoping for it to happen or you expecting it to happen? (genuine question)No he wont. He will be sacked.
At some point we will realise he isnt good enough and will need to restart. But restart the right way. Hiring another manager snd giving him full control in hope he will be Fergie 2.0 is BS. We can just as well keep ETH and fight for top 4 one year and finish 7th the next. If that is the goal, then keep him. Otherwise sack and do it properly for once. We have the resources, but are run by idiots across all levels.
Why not also add Sancho? Get every attacker on the field, then we must be attacking. Right?It's actually quite easy.
Play forward football.
That means two things in our case - never play Anthony Martial and never play Antony.
Go double wide with Garnacho - Bruno (Pellistri) and two forwards in Rashford and Hojlund.
We constantly look like a side who'll give away a soft goal. We concede far too much possession in the final third. Had Arsenal scored earlier we'd never have got back into the game.
The better side won. With the resources he's had we should be able to compete against Arsenal, not just rely on pieces of brilliance or a mistake to hit them on the break.
Because Pep, Klopp, Arteta, or Poch have no say in who they sign? And they let some mythical recruitment decide it for them? In what virtual world have you ever seen a top manager not influencing strongly who he wants?I will keep posting this. Of his nine signings, 7 were at some point from Dutch league. 3 former Ajax players and 4 who played against him, including interestingly Mount who had a loan year at Vitesse and apparently played well against Ajax. Its Ole over again, where we sign players on the managers recommendation and scouting is ignored, perhaps even worse. Antony we can see is not good enough, lacks the basic attributes incliding a right foot. Weghorst was a disaster. Mount is not the player we needed and we still lack a mobile CM who can play alongside Casimero. We have missed out on McAllister, Rice and others, not least while obsessing over FDJ (another Ajax player) who clearly did not want to come here. While ETH works on his press any team that breaks through can motor through the middle of the park.
And there’s no way to clean up almost a decade of transfer decisions made by a banker, and owners that would rather let contracts run out than take a loss. The lack of perspective in this thread is absolutely riot
That was a clear non penalty. We had two injuries at center back with Varane and Shaw already out. There were no changes to be made in midfield with only three available in the first place. The squad needed an overhaul, and any time that’s the case there will be money spent and there needs to be time to build cohesion. Once again, perspective.He wasn't though was he? And they could easily have been awarded that pen.
Had Garnacho scored we'd (maybe) have three points but you're not going to win trophies and titles going away to the best sides, trying to soak up pressure and hoping to hit them on the break. The money spent we should be better than that.
We give up too many chances to compete with the top sides. We don't control games like they do.
Decent summary.It was an entirely 50/50 game today despite us having multiple starters out injured and multiple bench options out injured and needing to make multiple injury subs during the game. We were away to Arsenal. We didn't even soak up pressure that much, it was 50/50 until the last 15 mins or so because we couldn't freshen things up and they could. That's literally all it was. It was a perfectly fine big game performance. Narrow calls went against us despite the injury issues, oh well, onto the next.
Pretty sure we did that when Chelsea and Arsenal were better footballing sides than ours in the Fergie days.
He won us a cup and finished third last season, so he gets a bit of credit in his locker from me. I’ll see where we are at this year in December, especially when Rasmus and Amrabat are match fit
We were much better today.
Stick Varane, Hojlund and Amarbat in the starting 11 and we should win a lot of games.
Correct. This is why every time we sack a manager they need to move on/bring in 10 players because the new man doesn't want the old man's players.
It's been said a million times before but the lack of any footballing direction above the manager is a major problem - in this instance because it means recruitment seems to sit with him, and if he's not good enough, you go around in circles sacking and hiring managers.
Still contracted but told to train on his own elsewhere last I heard. He posted an Instagram post of him leaving Carrington after emptying his locker.Is that so? I thought we couldn't move him on.
Still here according to this.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/eric-bailly/profil/spieler/286384
He won us a cup and finished third last season, so he gets a bit of credit in his locker from me. I’ll see where we are at this year in December, especially when Rasmus and Amrabat are match fit
Nah he is right here, ref destroyed us.Feel like every of our manager (post Fergie) on his 2nd season is like this
Lose his head, blame environment, etc... instead of focusing on things that can be improved.
On balance maybe Arsenal deserved to win, but not by much. It’s painfully obvious that Amrabat and Hoijland could have made a difference in the overall balance of the game, but we want to sack the manager before they’ve had a chance to be integrated into the teamOf course it is riot and wrong.
United played well today playing their 3rd, 4th, 5th choice CB...ending the match with their 4th and 5th. 3rd choice LB, 2nd choice CM in Eriksen, started w 2nd choice CF.
Totally wrong and undeserved result.
Yeah I know man, but at what point do we accept that there's bigger problems at the club than just the manager? Postecoglou is able to come into that Spurs side and get them singing because he already has the right tools to work with the players at his disposal. All we do is jump from manager to manager, with often conflicting styles, and just throw money at them for a rebuild because nobody in the director's roles know what the hell they're doing. And the problem we've got now is that we can't even give the next person money, so they need to work with what we have right now!Poch was great for Spurs and had them in the top 4 consistently for a very long time. The expectations at United should be beyond that, but it’s a symptom of where we are as a club that do little is expected.
Maybe - 20 plus years ago. And when there was usually one, or two sides who were realistically going to challenge you. That's not the case now with any one for 6 easily looking at a realistic tilt at top 4.
We also have a clear style of play. They have spent more than we have this summer, so let's cool it on the resource talk because they've spent €250m.He has an obvious, clear playing style with much lesser resources.
He was able to use the players he had at his disposal to create something cohesive and he has them super fit!
There are no excuses for how unfit and disorganized we have looked after he has had time in the job. There is no disputing it
Honestly, I can see your point but I hope you aren't expecting everybody to agree with your standpoint here, right? It was a decent performance today based on all factors with injuries and new additions, but "perfectly fine big game performance" (in my view) will only invite the critics to lay into it. if you are playing on the counter like we did today, then you have to make sure, you are water tight and compact. Look at the first goal and tell me that looks water tight...It was an entirely 50/50 game today despite us having multiple starters out injured and multiple bench options out injured and needing to make multiple injury subs during the game. We were away to Arsenal. We didn't even soak up pressure that much, it was 50/50 until the last 15 mins or so because we couldn't freshen things up and they could. That's literally all it was. It was a perfectly fine big game performance. Narrow calls went against us despite the injury issues, oh well, onto the next.
Good stuff from ten Hag here. Set the standards. Players not pulling their weight and trying in training deserve to be dropped.
That was a clear non penalty. We had two injuries at center back with Varane and Shaw already out. There were no changes to be made in midfield with only three available in the first place. The squad needed an overhaul, and any time that’s the case there will be money spent and there needs to be time to build cohesion. Once again, perspective.
Spot on. Complain all you like about Spurs, Forest and Wolves performances, but this was not a bad one by any stretch.It was an entirely 50/50 game today despite us having multiple starters out injured and multiple bench options out injured and needing to make multiple injury subs during the game. We were away to Arsenal. We didn't even soak up pressure that much, it was 50/50 until the last 15 mins or so because we couldn't freshen things up and they could. That's literally all it was. It was a perfectly fine big game performance. Narrow calls went against us despite the injury issues, oh well, onto the next.
Yeah I know man, but at what point do we accept that there's bigger problems at the club than just the manager? Postecoglou is able to come into that Spurs side and get them singing because he already has the right tools to work with the players at his disposal. All we do is jump from manager to manager, with often conflicting styles, and just throw money at them for a rebuild because nobody in the director's roles know what the hell they're doing. And the problem we've got now is that we can't even give the next person money, so they need to work with what we have right now!
This is the key issue, and it is the one that hurts the most and frustrates immensely, but other teams have managed to overcome those issues with a top coach and Ten Hag is extremely worrying at this stage.
He has obviously been given a greater say in what players he wants and I think he has wasted serious money. The team doesn’t even look fit, which is the bare minimum of what should be expected coming in to a new season.
I don’t think we can afford to give up the search for a truly top coach while the Glazers are here, otherwise, we are just going through the motions, waiting for something to change that we have no control over.
We also have a clear style of play. They have spent more than we have this summer, so let's cool it on the resource talk because they've spent €250m.
Fitness, yeah I don't know the reason for it. Last season we were fine with fitness and only died out because of congestion in the end. This season might be a result of that, it does tend to happen that teams who have an overload fixture list struggle for fitness the following season (happened with Liverpool last season). We'll see if it's just a small period of bad luck or an ongoing thing.
I'm not gonna draw conclusions after a game where we went away to a title competitor, played them 50/50 despite countless injuries and ultimately lost because of centimeters. It is what it is. You will lose sometimes. We lost to Spurs because of a shit non penalty decision and then lost due to fine margins today. It'll need to change of course, but I'm sure it will. Nothing is won in August, and that's good for us because we have a habit of being fecking woeful in August the past many years.
Yeah it’s tough to watch and predictable. It’s also hard to watch people falling over themselves to find excuses when other managers got pilloried for less.Shit-on-a-stick football. Every once in awhile we poke into a kebab, but it is then quickly followed up with more shite, rendering the overall experience unpleasant. Might take a break if this keeps up after the International Break.
Ok that's stupid, I blame him for our results but I am not calling for his sacking and anyone who is, is being delusional.People are entitled to blame him but I saw someone saying we give Ten Hag till the end of the year then get De Zerbi in. Like De Zerbi is going to wave a magic wand and immediately change everything.
It's been ten years and somehow this still needs to be repeated, over and over.feck his style of play or what the manager wants. This whole mindset is what's damaging for the club.
We should be hiring coaches and buying players to fit the style of play the club wants. feck this whole shit about deferring to the managers needs. Up until we start treating managers like a key but disposable part of the overall strategy, we are going to be fecked.
