If that doesn't prove regression then I don't know what does. He was supposed to have sorted out the workrate last season, and now it's back to square one.
Some very good analysis on Ten Hag’s tactics, worth sticking with the whole thread.
Not me...mistakes have been made but it must be difficult dealing with ineptitude of these players.So who is ETH out then? Certainly not me yet
Do they have a defined playing style? Sorry, but haven't seen it.What about Newcastle? They have been transformed from relegation battlers to Champions League in super quick time.
FfsHe doesn't know what he's doing and the players can tell
I think some of the onus is on the directors as well. Whether ETH fully trusts the scouts or not, he shouldn't have full autonomy either way on targets and signings. That strategy never works, and even if ETH was a brilliant evaluator he doesn't even have the time to sit and try to unearth hidden gems from the Brazilian league. Being a manager is a difficult job as it is, but being the manager and basically a DOF is impossible I don't care who you are.
I honestly thought we'd see a distinct style by now, especially possession and pressing heavy. Look at how quickly De Zerbi got Brighton playing his way.
Our attack. Jesus Christ.
We have no idea what and who he asked for.Real pressure season for ETH. He got the players he asked for. Brighton and Spurs are playing much better football than us with a tighter budget. Even a toothless Wolves outplayed us. Would give him until the end of the season to wait for the end results. If the team don't end up with more goals than last season and fail to qualify for UCL, then I wouldn't mind if the club calls for the sack.
We have no idea what and who he asked for.
But if we are speculating, let's assume that he very likely also asked for: Amrabat, Pavard, and a senior striker in addition to Hojlund. Neither of which did he get and all of whom we clearly desperately need. So, no - he did not get what he asked for, there is no evidence of it
Our attack. Jesus Christ.
MANUTD ••• Rashford-Højlund-Antony
ARSENAL ••• Martinelli-Jesus-Saka
LIVERPOOL ••• Diaz-Nunez-Salah
SPURS ••• Son- Ricarlison- kulusevski
MANCITY ••• Grealish- Haaland-Silva
It’s the worst out of everyone above if all fit. Even spurs attack is better than us as they are more experienced. We have only Rashford who could be reliable but not everytime or every season. Other that that it’s Antony and a 20 yr old kid.
PS - Kept out Chelsea as I have no idea who they have yet and who are the starters if all fit.
Varane can't pass and is shaky in possession while Maguire is too immobile.People will think me crazy but I think we should consider playing Maguire in LCB with Varane in RCB. Thus, one of them can push up to midfield.
Haaland does what a CF should do first and foremost before pressing, tracking back or whatever new age bollocks: convert chances into goals. He does that in numbers and with a consistency that Rashford doesn't. In fairness to Marcus, we all know he isn't a CF, so the comparison will always be harsh on him.
De Bruyne is a significantly better player than Bruno, he can do anything he does better (bar penalties) while not displaying any of his flaws. Maybe I'm being generous since 1) I don't watch him anywhere near as much as Bruno, 2) it is typically in big games and 3) in better company, but my take is de Bruyne is a player that can control and dominate games while Bruno is an indisciplined mercurial type with occasional flashes of brilliance.
A tad early I grant. But yea it's a feeling I get
I was this guy's biggest fan but he's starting to piss me off. All we hear about his tactics is the press. That's all we hear, best transition team bla bla. His whole fecking tactics revolve around us NOT having the ball. Maybe we should concentrate on not losing the ball so much and what we should be doing with the ball when we actually have it.
Because, and here is the crazy thing, fresh systems on a squad often take longer than a pre-season to fully bed in.So the question is why are they not doing what they're instructed to do. Why are some individuals half arsing things?
Being the best team in transition doesn't mean you don't have the ball.
Liverpool under klopp have been one of the best teams in transition in world football and they still try to dominate the ball.
One thing thats starting to annoy me about ETH is his insistance on signing Eredivisie/Dutch players.
I understand these are the people he knows best and thinks he can get the most out of but isnt this limiting our options? All the exciting young players around Europe that other teams seem to scout and snap up while we stick to the "safe" option of the managers ex league and countrymen?
Martinez, Onana, Antony, Malacia, Weghorst and now possibly Ryan Gravenberch.
Malacia was an astute buy at his fee for a LB, Weghorst was dumpster diving because no one was available, Onana was the best choice for a GK we could have gone for.One thing thats starting to annoy me about ETH is his insistance on signing Eredivisie/Dutch players.
I understand these are the people he knows best and thinks he can get the most out of but isnt this limiting our options? All the exciting young players around Europe that other teams seem to scout and snap up while we stick to the "safe" option of the managers ex league and countrymen?
Martinez, Onana, Antony, Malacia, Weghorst and now possibly Ryan Gravenberch.
If we got the pen we rightly should have received in the first first half our Xg would have been over 2 against Spurs - similar to Chelsea. We were also playing a better team with a better coach and didn’t have the luxury of playing against 10 men for 30 minutes.Yeah Chelsea didn’t just dominate for the sake of possession they could have scored 5+ goals easily and missed a pen etc, it was one of those games that if played again they’d win it 9/10 times but fair play to West Ham they were much better in the second half
I suppose my concern is when the pressure builds, how this works for ETH and how the club and to an extent, the media, reacts. ETH is a hard-nosed, bit of a disciplinarian, and in the first season, this has worked well.. alongside his coaching ability. We needed that, desperately. But, I just hope he can get enough of his own players in, with his own mentality, who can deal with a series of difficult results. Because over the last decade, we have seen Utd players simply down-tools as it were.. and we cannot have that.
We have to stick with ETH, but he also has to show some flexibility... and that may mean admitting some errors, and making some changes (tactically). He cannot just keep saying
"... we simply must not do this...."
I will keep posting this. Of his nine signings, 7 were at some point from Dutch league. 3 former Ajax players and 4 who played against him, including interestingly Mount who had a loan year at Vitesse and apparently played well against Ajax. Its Ole over again, where we sign players on the managers recommendation and scouting is ignored, perhaps even worse. Antony we can see is not good enough, lacks the basic attributes incliding a right foot. Weghorst was a disaster. Mount is not the player we needed and we still lack a mobile CM who can play alongside Casimero. We have missed out on McAllister, Rice and others, not least while obsessing over FDJ (another Ajax player) who clearly did not want to come here. While ETH works on his press any team that breaks through can motor through the middle of the park.Malacia was an astute buy at his fee for a LB, Weghorst was dumpster diving because no one was available, Onana was the best choice for a GK we could have gone for.
Antony is literally the only transfer I dislike, which ones do you think are poor?
Keep posting it - it doesn't mean you have a leg to stand on.I will keep posting this. Of his nine signings, 7 were at some point from Dutch league. 3 former Ajax players and 4 who played against him, including interestingly Mount who had a loan year at Vitesse and apparently played well against Ajax. Its Ole over again, where we sign players on the managers recommendation and scouting is ignored, perhaps even worse. Antony we can see is not good enough, lacks the basic attributes incliding a right foot. Weghorst was a disaster. Mount is not the player we needed and we still lack a mobile CM who can play alongside Casimero. We have missed out on McAllister, Rice and others, not least while obsessing over FDJ (another Ajax player) who clearly did not want to come here. While ETH works on his press any team that breaks through can motor through the middle of the park.
Malacia was an astute buy at his fee for a LB, Weghorst was dumpster diving because no one was available, Onana was the best choice for a GK we could have gone for.
Antony is literally the only transfer I dislike, which ones do you think are poor?
Keep posting it - it doesn't mean you have a leg to stand on.
Ole made blind signings based on no tactical or coaching ability - that is feck all like Ten Hag.
Ten Hag has a specific system and is operating in a foreign league where he'll need to get his own players in. Sir Alex Ferguson actually credited him for this outlook last week in a rare interview.
Mount is a signing I really like because his work rate and ability is severely underrated here. Martinez is already a fan favourite, Malacia is absolutely fine as a squad player and Onana is the best GK choice we could have gone for.
Unless you have an actual stick to beat him with then don't moan, but don't complain because Antony is struggling and now you want to extrapolate the whole thing on Ten Hag's wish for working with players he's familiar with.
