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2-0 up in morals and vibes. Bazball wins again.
Literally very near the top of the Catching rule part...
33.2 A fair catch
33.2.1 A catch will be fair only if, in every case
either the ball, at any time
or any fielder in contact with the ball,
is not grounded beyond the boundary before the catch is completed. Note Laws 19.4 (Ball grounded beyond the boundary) and 19.5 (Fielder grounded beyond the boundary).
33.3 Making a catch
The act of making a catch shall start from the time when the ball first comes into contact with a fielder’s person and shall end when a fielder obtains complete control over both the ball and his/her own movement.
Literally used the ball on the ground to obtain control of his movement.
I agree that the Aussies have done this a lot and for me the smith one from first innings makes no sense now because it’s the same third umpire just basically making up rules as he likes. This for me is more of a catch than the one Smith took
Anyway we have half a game on tomorrow.
If England are no more than 5 down at lunch the miracle lives on. You have to think that long tail kills any real hope though
If England are no more than 5 down at lunch the miracle lives on. You have to think that long tail kills any real hope though
I immediately thought it wasn't out, he dragged the ball along the floor for what 2 yards or so whilst supporting his body with the ball, I mean you all know you can't do that right
You need to be in control of the ball and in control of your body. He wasn't in control of his body so when the ball touched the floor it was grounded before he was in control.
Surely this is done and dusted? In saying that - Bairstow to come in next, and if Stokes can stick about who knows? Truth betold - we lost this match with the ridiculous passage on day 2.
Ollie Robinson to take it home.
Yeah, it's over. Just need to make a game of it.
What a daft day of cricket that was, I need a week off.
Yea - the whole argument with Green's catch earlier in the season was that the catch was 'completed' before he completed it. That's the sticking point. Starc's looks pretty completed to me -- it does not say anything about his body weight being on it
You’re optimism is admirable. You never know with this team, and Stokes.
Not sure where I was being optimistic there!
33.3 Making a catch
The act of making a catch shall start from the time when the ball first comes into contact with a fielder’s person and shall end when a fielder obtains complete control over both the ball and his/her own movement.
Saying we have half a game on
Their bowling today is the first time they've reached the level that we're not gonna be able to match, I think is fair to say.
Pity this catch thing happened when the game was over. Would have been fun if we had a chance
Yeah having 371 to defend meant they could be aggressive up front, England don’t really have that extra gear in them when bowling. I did think they let England off a hook a little bit with bringing Head on so early, let Stokes and Duckett get some momentum, but then they went back to the short ball theory and it’s hard to see how England can score 257 if they stick with that tomorrow.
Was at Lords today. Others are right our bowling is an issue in the side now, but I will say that the bright spots for England in this game in both innings has been the relative cheapness we’ve got the second half of the wickets for. When I arrived and for the first half an hour it looked like they were going to post a solid 450 lead.
Cummins and Starc bowled exceptionally. The fact Starc isn’t even nailed in their side is a sign of their quality. Carey deserves a mention too - he’s a really tidy keeper.
I don’t think there’s a game on here anymore really, but it would be nice to show some character tomorrow and also learn a bit from our mistakes so far (which tbf there has been signs of. The shots today certainly felt a bit more thought through, their bowling just went up a notch.)
Cummins and Starc bowled exceptionally. The fact Starc isn’t even nailed in their side is a sign of their quality. Carey deserves a mention too - he’s a really tidy keeper.
I don’t think there’s a game on here anymore really, but it would be nice to show some character tomorrow and also learn a bit from our mistakes so far (which tbf there has been signs of. The shots today certainly felt a bit more thought through, their bowling just went up a notch.)
This short ball stuff has really made for a dull test match,
It's basically a case now of who can nullify Each other the best, it's actually quite boring to watch.
Neither needle nor intensity in either side, just a relentless pursuit of not giving runs away and generally safe bowling.
Interesting T20 for the women's game tonight though, set up nicely for the last ten overs.
It's basically a case now of who can nullify Each other the best, it's actually quite boring to watch.
Neither needle nor intensity in either side, just a relentless pursuit of not giving runs away and generally safe bowling.
Interesting T20 for the women's game tonight though, set up nicely for the last ten overs.
He's very rarely that good, to be fair. His record in England is pretty average, I think he gets his wickets at about 30. Plenty of bowlers around the world capable of that who aren't automatic picks.
Yeah fair, my experience of watching him is pretty much exclusively the Ashes and I feel like he’s always a threat to us. Plus I think if we had him available he’d be a nailed on pick, which shows the gulf in the sides, but maybe the stats make a case to the contrary.
Stokes’s limp looked pretty bad today. Was surprised he bowled as long as he did. Hard to see him being a genuine 4th seamer option for us again.
It’s not clear. ‘own movement’ can mean anything. Green off Gill isn’t in control of his movement till he’s back on his feet and it’s not out then. The point is that people have been defining ‘own movement’ as they see fit, you’ve just added your own definition which is fine but it’s not black and white.
You're too stuck on the Green "catch". To me, that wasn't a catch either, but the issue there is more "did Green get his fingers between the ball and the ground?" than anything else.
The Green catch is more like Smith's (that I also don't think should have counted).
Starc was sliding and falling forwards, and he (stupidly) used the ball to stop himself from falling. By the laws of the game, he didn't catch it, even though he could have by just falling sideways.
Just seen it - there's no way that's out. Baffled that people think it should be.
Have You seen Mcgrath’s reaction
How the feck is this out?
Cracking game in the women’s ashes.
Yeah, I really don't get it. I think in nearly every cricket match I've seen there will have been at least one moment where a catcher has been noticeably careful about how they regained their balance, because they know they can't just do what Starc did.
Big mistake by Knight not using Ecclestone for the 19th
Superb game of cricket tonight,
England are definitely creeping up on the Aussies, not a lot between the two sides for me now.
The Starc one wasn't a tough call. He didn't drop the ball but let ball touch the ground before he completed the body's motion to complete the catch.
If his fingers were wrapped between the ball and the ground it would've been out though. It was stupid from Starc and his face during the celebration told you that he knows he's made a mess of it.
If his fingers were wrapped between the ball and the ground it would've been out though. It was stupid from Starc and his face during the celebration told you that he knows he's made a mess of it.
Big mistake by the organisers putting the test match first. I said it in here at the time, but why not keep more drama in the series for as long as possible.
I think people know it was such an amateurish mistake to do what Starc did.
Reminds me of those clips you see of goalkeepers "saving" a penalty in a shootout, walking off celebrating, only for the spin on the ball to take it over the line.
I have no idea about cricket. But if Starc throws that ball in the air in celebration as I see lots of fielders do then I would give it as out. He's given the officials a reason to give it as not out.
Not that simple. They've rejigged it numerous times and there's an argument to all scenarios.
Aussies essentially unbeatable in white ball cricket so you'd arguably be placing the Test as a nailed on dead rubber.
I think if you asked the players their answer would be they'd quite like more than one test actually. Not that I can see that being considered at all.
Starc is clearly a top tier bowler held back by the injuries which is natural with his frame. Surely his record isn't the best in tests but he passes the eye test.
Watched him at the world cup 2015 (50) live and he was up there with all-time greats quality wise. Ridiculous tournament with ball.
It was actually the players who advised against the three test match series it used to be.
As it was standalone they felt it didn't really hold any meaning.