In tests in England my eyes have seen him get knocked about a lot.
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He's actually perfect against Bazball. When everyone is going at 5s Starcs partnership breaking ability becomes valuable and his economy less important.
I can see that argument.
I think there is a case for exploring whether there may be a number between three and one.
If England are saving test cricket by bringing in Bodyline 2.0, then it was better not being saved. (Yes, I know Aussies were doing it too but they're not claiming they're saving test cricket).
Short ball bowling isn't defensive.
Bazball has always been with the bat. We are pretty boring with the ball. Have been for years.
Is a day off too much to ask for those fighting so nobly?
Better having one dead rubber than four? I guess it’s at a stage where just taking the odd win off Australia is an achievement so they won’t be dead rubbers, but given the crowds expected, surely they need to figure something better out.
Have them all worth two points until you can add more tests in.
It kills the game, and it's a pretty lame tactic.
Fair.
fair.I think we are hitting the same problem the format has. Australia are to good so it kind of trumps all of them.
England’s best chance is the T20s, as demonstrated tonight. To grow the game, it makes sense to keep the series competitive for as long as possible.
It's a perfectly legitimate tactic though. On a 2 paced pitch it has proven to be the best tactic. Every batsman has struggled to deal with it on both sides. That's test cricket for me. Batsman actually having to work for there runs. A fair contest between bat and ball.
Here's the best take I've seen on the Starc non-catch. Can't believe people genuinely think it was out
It’s absolutely baffling how anyone can think it was out. He literally balances on the ball while it’s on the ground. Ponting was tying himself in knots on Sky trying to justify why it should have been given, while McGrath was having a complete meltdown on TMS
I honestly don’t even get why’s it’s controversial. He grounds the ball, then uses it to keep his balance, before the catch is completed. While the Smith one was similar-ish, he at least had his fingers under the ball which made it a lot harder to see if the ball had hit the ground. On multiple looks and zoomed in images I think it probably shouldn’t have been given, but you can see why it was in real time. From the replays the 3rd umpire had at the time you couldn’t conclusively say he didn’t keep it from hitting the ground.
Starc grassed the catch, simple as that. He never had full control of the catch because he was always off balance in the process of claiming it. It is the same as when keepers spill what are initially clean takes because the impact of their bodies hitting the grass causes the ball to pop up out of their gloves. Exactly the same situation. An initially clean grab means nothing until your body is stabilized.
The sad thing is the bully boy tactics of Starc and co pretending it was legitimate and then acting like this great injustice has happened, holding their heads, etc. It is more like their egos can't take the video footage proving it was grassed.
It is hard to say but I don't think there would the same outcry if Stuart Broad or Ollie Robinson grassed one.
Australia handled themselves very poorly but it is not the first time they have found the laws of the game hard to grasp.
The sad thing is the bully boy tactics of Starc and co pretending it was legitimate and then acting like this great injustice has happened, holding their heads, etc. It is more like their egos can't take the video footage proving it was grassed.
It is hard to say but I don't think there would the same outcry if Stuart Broad or Ollie Robinson grassed one.
Australia handled themselves very poorly but it is not the first time they have found the laws of the game hard to grasp.
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I mean why are they having so much of a meltdown, they are likely going to win the match but still they make themselves look stupid.
I really don't believe Starc was pretending anything. The way he took the catch, serenely slid across the ground and started celebrating says to me he didn't realise he was doing anything wrong.. It's absolutely bizarre that he doesn't know the rules, but somehow that seemed to be the case. If he did know he would have made some sort of attempt to make it a valid catch, which he could easily have done.
Anyone got any tips on getting Nord Vpn to work with Sky Go on mobile? I'm on an Android (Xaoimi) and any advice appreciated!
don’t be mean at the aussies. they’re used to playing upside down, so the only way they can really catch the ball is by jamming it against the ground, to stop it falling into the sky. it gets confusing to them when they go to a proper country with proper gravity, and they don’t change their catching technique. it’s why they constantly claim catches that are clearly grounded.
The Australian media is a very strange bunch. I’m no fan of KP but they seem to be going after him regarding his view that the Aussies may have been trying to get a concussion sub by sending him to bat (I don’t agree with this view) yet Ponting and McGrath made similar comments even though tongue in cheek but they haven’t mentioned that.
I’ve tried this before on iOS, so assume the same applies to android: sky go requires location services to be on, so just having a VPN isn’t enough.
I've had no problems streaming it in Greece via Nord VPN on my laptop.
I don’t think his logic works here. He had the ball in both hands. So he could easily have “mitigated the risk” of the ball bouncing out by just continuing to hold the ball with two hands. Instead he chose to let go with his right hand, so he could use both hands to make his slide a bit more controlled.
And the Aussie argument would be that this decision could only have been made by a fielder already in full control of both the ball and his body.
McGrath said it was "a disgrace". When I first read that, I thought he was referring to Starc making a total hash of the catch!
Well the Aussie argument would immediately look stupid because he wasn’t in full control of his body as he was falling down in a dive and used the ball touching the ground to gain control. I wasn’t going to accuse Starc of trying to cheat here but if the Aussies use that argument, then they’re inferring it.
The argument is that he had both hands on the ball, he was still in movement. By the time he had control of his movement the ball had touched the ground. We see it plenty of times where the catcher has both hands on the ball and then it slips down as they dive, no difference here.
Not sure about Sky Go, but it seems to be on a free channel called 9gem on Australian tv, so maybe you could create an account and watch there, similar to iplayer over here.
I streamed it with Nord a few weeks ago. From memory, it was funny when I was on the hotel wifi but fine for some reason when I went onto data.
Good start. They're going to get my hopes up aren't they before the collapse.
It is the way
Can’t see Duckett lasting long against Cummins
This is really good bowling and it's moving. Not sure we will survive much longer.
It does though. Until his body stops falling it's not a catch. The ball was grounded before his body stopped falling. It's not even difficult logic.
This idiot saying he had to ground the ball to stop it jarring out of his hand
Here’s an idea…. next time he claims a catch don‘t let it touch the ground.
How did the umpire not see that? It went at a 45 degree angle after it hit the bat.
Yep you can just feel it coming
Has he got one right so far this test?
It was the 100% full proof way to prevent the ball jarring out like it happens. Except then it’s no longer a catch.This idiot saying he had to ground the ball to stop it jarring out of his hand
Just see out the morning session. Loads of overs to get the runs if you don't lose early wickets. No silly shots.
If a peach does you in so be it, but don't give your wicket away
If a peach does you in so be it, but don't give your wicket away
I’ve said it so many times this test. Imagine this was back in the 90s, it’s feels like it’s been 50/50 right/wrong on the close calls. Although some haven’t even felt close.
Exactly