What? Currently every country has shit away records, so why single out one?
Like I said, this thing is so overblown.
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England Cricket 2016/17 - Bangladesh, India & West Indies (ODI's only)
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Like I said, this thing is so overblown.
Nah. To be great team we do need to do well away from home. Not necessarily win a series but put up a decent fight and maybe squeeze a draw out. Getting the beat the way we have been off late is obviously not acceptable if you want to be called a great side.
I think India have been better at home than other countries were in theirs. During the same time period as India's unbeaten run Aus lost to SA, SA lost to England, England drew 2-2 with Pak, Pak lost a test to WI (still won series 2-1), WI lost to India and SL also lost to India while India didn't let any opposition come anywhere close to winning in India. Relatively, that counts better than any other home side during the run.
WI drew 1-1 with Eng at home and managed to win the 3rd test in UAE while also coming really close to win the 2nd test. Nowhere close to the greats of years past but a capable side occasionally.
Agree about Ashwin, though he himself admits how he changed his action after 2014-15 Aus test series and started to bowl better. He did better than everyone expected during the 2015 ODI WC but reading a bit about him, he'd be raring to have a go in foreign conditions too.
Kohli though, he scored 9 of his first 12 test centuries away from home (7 of his first 10 if you want to discount visits to SL and WI). FWIW, Root scored only 3 of his 11 centuries away from home and is widely considered one of the best batsmen by a lot of people (including myself). Only series Kohli was terrible was 2014 tour of England but Ponting scored 17 runs in 2001 test series in India with an avg of 3.4 yet that wouldn't (and shouldn't) detract from his obvious greatness.
That was his 3rd tour to India and he scored 0, DNB - Mumbai, 6, 0 - Kolkata and 0, 11 - Chennai. 6 tours to India and he scored 660 runs in tests
South Africa are a good side away from home. They struggled in India but they were excellent in Australia.
Erm I stated that to be a classed as a great team, India need to win away from home, you said every country had crap away records so it doesnt matter. But to be classed as a truly great side in line with previous ones, it does matter. It may not matter for them to be No1 in the world at the moment but they will never be classed as a great team unless they win away from home.
That England performance in WI was a disgrace and the team were all over the place with Moores still in charge. WI did perform very well in the UAE though. I think Ashwin is the best all rounder in the world at the moment, will be interesting to see how his new action fares abroad.
Kohli is also world class and I am confident he will score runs away from home. I think the India team depend alot on these two as evident from the current series so will be interesting to see if other players can step as well as they play in away conditions.
England have come back strong after losing Jennings for 1 and cook 10, 162/2
Not too sure what to make with Jennings I know he made a 100+ but I'm sure he was dropped on 0, his 3 innings could have easily been 0,0,1
Not too sure what to make with Jennings I know he made a 100+ but I'm sure he was dropped on 0, his 3 innings could have easily been 0,0,1
Do the umpires and India know the rules of cricket? if the ball hits the ground before it goes to hand it's not out
Survived a close lbw review at 0 or 1, and was dropped on 4. India have been atrocious on the field in this series. Even today, they dropped Moeen early in the innings and have been made to pay.
Kohli has an excellent record in every country except England, so when India return to England, he'll want to set the record straight. His record is unreal. I reckon Kohli, Warner, and Root are the top three in the world right now.
Cook has had a stinker this tour.
As Captain and with the bat.
Will resign, after, I think. His comments suggesting he wasn't up for it aren't really compatible with continuing.
Would put a lot of pressure on Root but then nearly every change of captaincy in international cricket does leave the one taking over with a lot to deal with.
Could be his last, wouldn't be surprised if he called it a day
Ali has came the 4th Englishman to score 1000 runs this year, (Root, Bairstow & Cook)
Might be good for him. I know he was unlucky today but thats something like the 9th time of going past 75 and being out before 90 out of the past 10. It's the same with Bairstow (and to an extent Ali as well) for all the runs they've all scored this year none of them regularly convert decent scores into match winning scores often enough. If it means Root takes some more responsibility (and conversely frees Cook up) then fingers crossed.
That is the hope.
Not too overly sold on Jennings either. With Haseeb, I just felt so at ease with him at the crease. You just knew the kids got it.
Jennings for me still has to prove himself.
He's going to be 32 next week, i still think he has 3/4 years in him, but should stand down as captain. Maybe without the captaincy his batting will get back to his best. England for sure need him as the other opening options aren't great.
Cook will find form soon. He's too good a batsman to be in long periods of poor form. Cracking batsman to watch when in form. He'll be back.
England have blown this, again.
Vital runs here.
Excellent knock by Rahul
Unless we have an absolute stinker with the bat tomorrow morning England have pretty much no chance of winning this game now.
England really don't want Karun Nair's wicket. Dropped him twice. He's been lucky too, was caught by Bairstow but umpires didn't give it (England had run out of reviews) and survived a close LBW appeal (umpire's call on wickets). Still, his is the highest score made by an Indian after scoring their maiden ton.
England lack penetration with the ball. Do like how Dawson has bowled though. Good control.
I think by this stage it isn't just blowing it, we are just not good enough to beat India on their soil. Team simply doesn't have enough guts or discipline. Talent wise, the squad is good enough.. but the mentality has been flawed.
We can't bowl with discipline, we have had some very flimsy innings outside of the regular guys like Root. To win against India, needs to be a real team effort.. you can't let off with the bat or with the ball and we have too many lapses of concentration.
What's the highest score ever in a maiden ton?
this is just abuse, someone put a stop to this!
It is demoralising, but from India's pov who cares really? they've won the series. What is the record for the highest total innings in tests?
What a joy!
Pretty sure SL got 900 odd against India in the 90s.
This must be awful for England.
As long as Nair is N/O, they should carry on.
Has to be Sobers' 365.
Time for a wake up call.
Jake Ball isn't an international bowler. He might have a nice action but he doesn't have any weapons. Rashid is absolutely pony. The Mooen experiment is over. Dawson is not an international cricketer.
4 bowlers just not of the class required, and Bayliss to blame for most of it.
Jake Ball isn't an international bowler. He might have a nice action but he doesn't have any weapons. Rashid is absolutely pony. The Mooen experiment is over. Dawson is not an international cricketer.
4 bowlers just not of the class required, and Bayliss to blame for most of it.
Sri Lanka smashed 900+ against India with Jayasuriya & Mahanama batting for more than 2 days.
That's a bit reactionary I'd say. Moeen has done fine job and Rashid has by and large bowled very well this series.
That said, England do have too many "all rounders".
Just checked 952 by SL vs India, but yeah no need to declare just keep going.
Problem with Rashid most wickets have been lower order. Moeen has done alright with the bat, but bowling not up to it.
nah it will be boring as feck. Just declare if/when he gets 300 and have a go.