Yeah. England will have it tough to even see out the day. Turn and bounce is not a good combination to bat on. Get Root out and it could be over pretty quickly. Jadeja is going to be unplayable.
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Jadeja brilliant. Nothing like watching him bowl on a turning track.
Joe Root is world class. He has scored on all kinds of surfaces. Only regret he might have in his test career so far is not converting fifties to centuries more often.
England's bowling attack has been very underwhelming this test. Getting Kohli out has been an issue, fair enough but the failure to get other guys out for smaller scores has been their real downfall.
Well played Root. Now it'll begin, I guess.
Now it ends.
We haven't been good enough with bat or ball.
Its easy to say we've bowled badly and batted ok but just look at how many runs we've left out on the pitch.
From this match alone: Root's not converted 2 starts and neither have Cook, Mooen, or Buttler.
I don't think Bairstow has scored a century since the middle of the summer despite seemingly getting himself in in every innings he's played.
England's conversion rate is shocking and we just aren't scoring enough runs with the bat to take it away from the opposition.
Its easy to say we've bowled badly and batted ok but just look at how many runs we've left out on the pitch.
From this match alone: Root's not converted 2 starts and neither have Cook, Mooen, or Buttler.
I don't think Bairstow has scored a century since the middle of the summer despite seemingly getting himself in in every innings he's played.
England's conversion rate is shocking and we just aren't scoring enough runs with the bat to take it away from the opposition.
Its the consistency, they always bowl bad balls whereas the Indian bowlers are more consistent which leads to pressure.
Good to have home advantage etc, but would have been nice if one of the test matches had been played on a fast bouncy green wicket with conditions good for seamers. Not saying any outcome would have been different because Shami has been outstanding.
Virat Kohlis unreal, all 3 forms, theres only him, Root, Williamson and Warner than truly do excel in all forms.
Anyway to see similar for Root, Williamson and Warner? Kohlis really seems to have a gone a step up this year over the big few who excel in all forms.
Though I'm more looking at the amount of games Root would of played, 20 tests this year isn't it? Absolutely mad compared to the 11 of Kohli.
Anyway to see similar for Root, Williamson and Warner? Kohlis really seems to have a gone a step up this year over the big few who excel in all forms.
Though I'm more looking at the amount of games Root would of played, 20 tests this year isn't it? Absolutely mad compared to the 11 of Kohli.
Agreed. I also think England have been too passive when batting and let the bowlers dictate to them. They think one big shot means dictating and then sit back and don't go on their front foot.
What a knock from Kohli
Yeah it was a point Andy Zaltzman made in his stats blog the other day. The amount of cricket may be harmful to England (and in particular players like Root) because it becomes increasingly more difficult to concentrate for the long periods of time required to score runs in test cricket. Which may explain why England have such a disposition to getting out in the 70s, 80s, and 90s compared to other sides.
Cook has been so poor as a captain for me. Team selection is all off. I mean don't they check the pitch? Even when he plays 3 spinners, he underbowls them. Ansari in first 2, Batty in third. Here he picked Ball for no major reason (I get Ansari is injured but there's that Dawson(?) fella who could be worth a try?). Even Williamson picked three spinners when he played in India even though Santner is the only decent bowler they had.
Rashid and Moeen bowled like 100 overs between them which is insane.
Rashid and Moeen bowled like 100 overs between them which is insane.
All of those players have played many tournos often with little break. I don't think Kohli had a break from Jan to June thanks to the IPL and other series
Williamson though doesn't seem be captain material. He is struggling since taking over.
Good start to the day. 
Some terrible shots by England today.
FFS England. People have bought tickets for the entire day, at least give them a session!
With Woakes' wicket, Ashwin gets his 7th ten-wicket haul, only behind Kumble (8) for India. Also, Rashid's wicket gives him 24 five-wicket hauls in 43 tests, only behind Harbhajan (25) and Kumble (35) for India. Checked into cricinfo just now for the score and was mildly surprised at this headline:
Home pitches hide Kohli 'flaws' - Anderson
A bit unfair I think. Kohli has centuries in Australia (including twin centuries), New Zealand, South Africa (100+ and 90+ in same test), West Indies (double) and Sri Lanka. Don't think he's played in (or against) Zimbabwe and Pak while he played only one innings in Bangladesh. He had a poor series in England but started this home series with a point to prove and is already the highest scorer for India against Eng in a series (broke Dravid's record of 602 runs).
Home pitches hide Kohli 'flaws' - Anderson
A bit unfair I think. Kohli has centuries in Australia (including twin centuries), New Zealand, South Africa (100+ and 90+ in same test), West Indies (double) and Sri Lanka. Don't think he's played in (or against) Zimbabwe and Pak while he played only one innings in Bangladesh. He had a poor series in England but started this home series with a point to prove and is already the highest scorer for India against Eng in a series (broke Dravid's record of 602 runs).
Wow, didn't think England would collapse within 10 overs.
Coming from the bloke whose bowling average goes up by 10 runs when playing away from home and who's generally ineffective when the conditions aren't helpful. feck off Jimmy.
He's on a wind up. There are question marks about Kohli's ability in to play the moving ball but everyone and his dog recognizes that he's on a hell of a run after the England tour, and we'll find out about his technique only in the next tour.
He got what he wanted, though. Got the Indian fans absolutely riled. Reading some of the comments online from Indians(guardian etc) makes me wish I wasn't Indian.
Is Ashwin better than Harbhajan?
Would have been a lot of debate over it previously when the pitchers were helping him a lot. This series he's not had the help of pitches much.
Would have been a lot of debate over it previously when the pitchers were helping him a lot. This series he's not had the help of pitches much.
Is that what he wanted? What purpose would that serve?
I don't know. Probably sees it as a low effort one liner to cause a storm in a teacup.
11 games, 71 wickets @23 with 8 5s and 3 10s. Good year for R.
Regardless of pitches, Ashwin has to be a match-winner in overseas series to measure up to Bhajji.
An over for the ages.
Normally, his carrom ball is too obvious and shit. But, he disguised it very well in this test match.
That's the one thing Ashwin has improved upon. He's got rid of most of his pointless variations and I'll be interested to see how this impacts his performances overseas.
England have batted first in 3 of the 4 test matches, what more do they want. Really thought it would have been more competitive than this, much more. Anyway, aggressive pitches or not at times, India are on a real tear at home these days. Take it to Aus,SA and Eng now India.
Why?
We have shit spinners and batsman who can't play long innings its hardly a recipe for success in India.
We weren't being needlessly pessimistic coming into this; any one who has seen much of this England side over the past few years knew this was inevitable.
Hopefully we don't ease up for the last one. Need to wipe the floor with this bunch. 4-0 is on!
Kohli is a beast in all forms of the game. Incredible player, love watching him bat.
I'd love to see Ashwin get wickets abroad. The Mumbai test was the only one where the ball was turning square (second innings). He needs to step it up in seam-friendly conditions and establish himself as a legend.
I know everyone is going on about this unbeaten run by India and it is very good however 11 of the 17 matches have been at home while 2 have been in equally spin friendly conditions in SL. The 4 were in the West Indies who are a terrible team. They need to win series abroad in Aus, Eng, SA etc to be considered a really great side. Same with the players, remain to be seen whether Kohli and Ashwin can repeat this form abroad in other conditions.
Which team currently is great away from home? This really is the most tiresome argument.
So all you have to do is win matches at home then you are a great side?? If India cannot win matches away from home then they will not be considered a great side like the sides before them simple. It makes no difference if anyone is winning away from home, if Kumble is calling them a great side, they need to win in different conditions to be called a great side.